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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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Suspect in 4 gruesome D.C. killings might not have acted alone, police say

There are a lot of news articles about this event, and I have read more than a few. This man and his wife:

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And their housekeeper, and their ten-year-old boy were all murdered by this man:

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And some accomplices

One report that I saw stated that the entire family was tortured over approximately ten hours. Every other report that I have read states that only the boy was tortured prior to being murdered. The three adults were reportedly stabbed and bludgeoned to death, but the boy was doused with gasoline while still alive, and set of fire

The family arranged to have $40,000 delivered to the house during the time they were being held, meaning that robbery was at least a part of the crime

I just wonder if the depravity of the crime overall, was inspired by the growing racial tensions in this country. And to what degree did a sense of entitlement play, if any

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ORIGINAL: joether

Sanity, please give us, in your words (not the words of others) your definition of 'Hate Crime'.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: joether

Sanity, please give us, in your words (not the words of others) your definition of 'Hate Crime'.

For the purpose of the thread, a "hate crime" is defined by applicable federal and / or state laws. You might waste your time inventing useless personal definitions for various things, but I do not. Society uses common definitions so that we can easily communicate with each other

Having our own definition for things defeats that

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

As for it being a hate crime, I have seen no evidence of it yet.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

As for it being a hate crime, I have seen no evidence of it yet.

I imagine there is rarely evidence of what a person may have been thinking while committing such crimes. Wouldnt the difference in race, the torture, and the method of killing the boy after the ransom was paid suffice?

Thats what I am trying to understand.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: joether

Sanity, please give us, in your words (not the words of others) your definition of 'Hate Crime'.

For the purpose of the thread, a "hate crime" is defined by applicable federal and / or state laws. You might waste your time inventing useless personal definitions for various things, but I do not. Society uses common definitions so that we can easily communicate with each other

Having our own definition for things defeats that

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Politics Interfering With D.C. Hate Crimes Law

Last week, a man with a master's degree from George Mason University, a gun and 50 rounds of ammo walked into the Family Research Council. When a building manager named Leo Johnson blocked his entry, he shot Leo in the arm.

Leo Johnson wrestled the shooter to the ground, saving untold lives. The shooter then begged for mercy from the unarmed man, saying something like, "Don't shoot me. It was not about you. It was what this place stands for."

In the shooter's backpack were 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches, which he apparently planned to drop on the bodies of the many people he wanted to kill. The shooter's parents later told police that he "has strong opinions with respect to those he believes do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner."

The shooter (whom I refuse to name) has been charged with assault with intent to kill and with bringing a firearm across state lines. But he has not been charged with violating D.C.'s hate crime laws...

The D.C. anti-bias statute is quite broad and its language clearly includes politically motivated crimes:

"'Bias-related crime' means a designated act that demonstrates an accused's prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, marital status, personal appearance, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, family responsibility, homelessness, physical disability, matriculation, or political affiliation of a victim of the subject designated act." D.C. Code 22-3701.

On Aug. 16 the Anti-Defamation League issued a press release and called on the Metropolitan Police to investigate the crime as a possible hate crime:

"We are confident that the Metropolitan Police Department will fully investigate this crime. If the facts reveal that the perpetrator was motivated by unlawful bias, law enforcement authorities should consider prosecution under the D.C. Bias Crime Statute."

So why hasn't the shooter been charged with a hate crime?

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


Since joether's intention is to get attention, defeating the purpose of having a debate is the purpose.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


Since joether's intention is to get attention, defeating the purpose of having a debate is the purpose.

Like that wasnt the intention of the OP.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


I am with you on a lot of that

But if we are going to have hate crime laws they need to be evenly enforced. The above mentioned crime occurred in Washington DC, which has a very poor record in that regard

To wit:

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Politics Interfering With D.C. Hate Crimes Law

Last week, a man with a master's degree from George Mason University, a gun and 50 rounds of ammo walked into the Family Research Council. When a building manager named Leo Johnson blocked his entry, he shot Leo in the arm.

Leo Johnson wrestled the shooter to the ground, saving untold lives. The shooter then begged for mercy from the unarmed man, saying something like, "Don't shoot me. It was not about you. It was what this place stands for."

In the shooter's backpack were 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches, which he apparently planned to drop on the bodies of the many people he wanted to kill. The shooter's parents later told police that he "has strong opinions with respect to those he believes do not treat homosexuals in a fair manner."

The shooter (whom I refuse to name) has been charged with assault with intent to kill and with bringing a firearm across state lines. But he has not been charged with violating D.C.'s hate crime laws...

The D.C. anti-bias statute is quite broad and its language clearly includes politically motivated crimes:

"'Bias-related crime' means a designated act that demonstrates an accused's prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, marital status, personal appearance, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, family responsibility, homelessness, physical disability, matriculation, or political affiliation of a victim of the subject designated act." D.C. Code 22-3701.

On Aug. 16 the Anti-Defamation League issued a press release and called on the Metropolitan Police to investigate the crime as a possible hate crime:

"We are confident that the Metropolitan Police Department will fully investigate this crime. If the facts reveal that the perpetrator was motivated by unlawful bias, law enforcement authorities should consider prosecution under the D.C. Bias Crime Statute."

So why hasn't the shooter been charged with a hate crime?

With that in mind, I am curious to see what happens in this case, what the motive may have been, and how these charges pan out

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

I have to input this. In my opinion, despite how much the leftists want to make thought a crime, there is no such thing as a hate crime. Oh I know somehow we have gotten this perversion on the books. But, it is immoral and stupid to arrest people and throw them in jail for what they think. On that same hand, if you kill someone it doesn't make them any more or less dead to think of them in a good or bad way. Killing, raping, looting and pillaging are those things and we don't treat you differently for doing them just because you were thinking something that is currently not fashionable.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

I have to input this. In my opinion, despite how much the leftists want to make thought a crime, there is no such thing as a hate crime. Oh I know somehow we have gotten this perversion on the books. But, it is immoral and stupid to arrest people and throw them in jail for what they think. On that same hand, if you kill someone it doesn't make them any more or less dead to think of them in a good or bad way. Killing, raping, looting and pillaging are those things and we don't treat you differently for doing them just because you were thinking something that is currently not fashionable.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

I have to input this. In my opinion, despite how much the leftists want to make thought a crime, there is no such thing as a hate crime. Oh I know somehow we have gotten this perversion on the books. But, it is immoral and stupid to arrest people and throw them in jail for what they think. On that same hand, if you kill someone it doesn't make them any more or less dead to think of them in a good or bad way. Killing, raping, looting and pillaging are those things and we don't treat you differently for doing them just because you were thinking something that is currently not fashionable.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

I have to input this. In my opinion, despite how much the leftists want to make thought a crime, there is no such thing as a hate crime. Oh I know somehow we have gotten this perversion on the books. But, it is immoral and stupid to arrest people and throw them in jail for what they think. On that same hand, if you kill someone it doesn't make them any more or less dead to think of them in a good or bad way. Killing, raping, looting and pillaging are those things and we don't treat you differently for doing them just because you were thinking something that is currently not fashionable.

You are so 1950`s

It is as though you are suggesting the Klan just killed due to a lust for murder, and nothing to do with killing due to skin colour........ Grow some balls and tell it like it is.

Next you will be suggesting 9/11 wasnt a hate crime, because thats exactly what it was. A group of ideological misfits who turned to terrorism because they didnt like America.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Now now PS. First off, hate crimes here, I don't know about there, were instituted by leftists as a means to control the thoughts of people. You know how people on the left really really don't like it when people think anything other than what is told to them at kool aide time. The left never imagined they wouldn't always be in control of thought crimes. But, as you see with your last election, that's not something you can always count upon.

So, you must be very careful. Someone might just take power who identifies hate as crotchety old men who are constantly cranky. You could be put in jail. Without Internet connection in jail, I'd miss you.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

I have to input this. In my opinion, despite how much the leftists want to make thought a crime, there is no such thing as a hate crime. Oh I know somehow we have gotten this perversion on the books. But, it is immoral and stupid to arrest people and throw them in jail for what they think. On that same hand, if you kill someone it doesn't make them any more or less dead to think of them in a good or bad way. Killing, raping, looting and pillaging are those things and we don't treat you differently for doing them just because you were thinking something that is currently not fashionable.

You are so 1950`s

It is as though you are suggesting the Klan just killed due to a lust for murder, and nothing to do with killing due to skin colour........ Grow some balls and tell it like it is.

Next you will be suggesting 9/11 wasnt a hate crime, because thats exactly what it was. A group of ideological misfits who turned to terrorism because they didnt like America.