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Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's problem?

Fully support

55% (15)

Fully support with the exception of Gloria Steinem

7% (2)

Don't support

3% (1)

Don't support with the exception of division of labor

0% (0)

All politics are local, including defining gender equality

3% (1)

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on

14% (4)

The 1950s was the best decade ever

3% (1)

Everyone is responsible for defending their own rights

7% (2)

I don't fit into gender binaries

0% (0)

There was this short-lived PC game called Gender Wars

3% (1)

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Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's problem? - 5/25/2015 3:03:42 AM

Frozenlake

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I had to ask...

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 6:30:24 AM

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not enough choices for "feminism" in my nsho:)

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 6:35:05 AM

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What about "only support decent intersectional feminism"?

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 6:53:09 AM

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I am happily oblivious to feminism... superiority as well, be it male, female, gibbon monkey, doesn't matter. I personally feel that the world is far better off without those concepts.

I can understand the division to a point... yeah she is much better at giving birth than I am but I can still write my name in the snow. Beyond that, wot is the fucking point? There are many things I do exceptionally well, actually more things than is reasonable for one person, but no matter the skill, talent, knowledge, or ability there is and always will be a woman and or a man that is better at than I am.

Whether a relationship is Male led or Fem led, the leader has a job to do and do it the best of their ability, and often the best ability a good leader has is to know what the follower is better at and hand them the reigns.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 1:21:20 PM

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Why the hell would I want my daughter to have to submit to rape by a boss to get and keep her job? Instead, she was instrumental in getting the creep fired.

Why would I wish she didn't have sports in school? Why would I wish that the NCAA had won their case to exempt sports from the Civil Rights Amendment? Why would I wish she hadn't had the remarkable experience in college of going to Nationals to compete against the other top riders from all DIII regions, male and female?

Why would I wish her college had a quota of how many females to accept instead of looking for the best and the brightest across the board?

When I went to school, there were no sports for girls at any grade.
Back then, dealing with sexual harassment and assault was par for the course to get a job.
As were quotas and female only junior colleges.

Hell, networking was impossible for women because men got to write off their dues in their male only clubs as essential for business.
Once the write off ended, women started moving up.

Why would I wish my granddaughter wouldn't have every chance she wants to compete fairly in this world in whatever she wants to do?

This is no different than asking if I didn't wish anti-Semitism and racism weren't still legal?
No I don't. I remember Christians coming into my all Jewish neighborhood and yelling out slurs at us. No one ever used those terms to my daughter until she was at college. And no one refused to sell me my house because I'm a Jew.

I remember when blacks who dared to date or marry whites were arrested.
I'm happy that my white daughter and her black boyfriend have never been refused service in a restaurant or harassed while walking down the street.

The rule of thumb here is that if you substituted black for female, and it's obviously wrong, then you should realize you are prejudiced in this arena also. And bigotry, across the board, is always wrong.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 1:36:45 PM

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I encourage it, because I'm against it. It's a self correcting problem. Go Hillary 2016! ;)

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 1:44:36 PM

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 2:59:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Why the hell would I want my daughter to have to submit to rape by a boss to get and keep her job? Instead, she was instrumental in getting the creep fired.

Why would I wish she didn't have sports in school? Why would I wish that the NCAA had won their case to exempt sports from the Civil Rights Amendment? Why would I wish she hadn't had the remarkable experience in college of going to Nationals to compete against the other top riders from all DIII regions, male and female?

Why would I wish her college had a quota of how many females to accept instead of looking for the best and the brightest across the board?

When I went to school, there were no sports for girls at any grade.
Back then, dealing with sexual harassment and assault was par for the course to get a job.
As were quotas and female only junior colleges.

Hell, networking was impossible for women because men got to write off their dues in their male only clubs as essential for business.
Once the write off ended, women started moving up.

Why would I wish my granddaughter wouldn't have every chance she wants to compete fairly in this world in whatever she wants to do?

This is no different than asking if I didn't wish anti-Semitism and racism weren't still legal?
No I don't. I remember Christians coming into my all Jewish neighborhood and yelling out slurs at us. No one ever used those terms to my daughter until she was at college. And no one refused to sell me my house because I'm a Jew.

I remember when blacks who dared to date or marry whites were arrested.
I'm happy that my white daughter and her black boyfriend have never been refused service in a restaurant or harassed while walking down the street.

The rule of thumb here is that if you substituted black for female, and it's obviously wrong, then you should realize you are prejudiced in this arena also. And bigotry, across the board, is always wrong.

Was this meant for me?

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 3:59:11 PM

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@shiftyw Democracy isn't perfect, but it's better than it was yesterday. I think the same is true of feminism.

I was shooting for closer to a "yes/no" to keep it from devolving into a "men are making the world worse/women are making the world worse" situation.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 4:31:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Frozenlake

@shiftyw Democracy isn't perfect, but it's better than it was yesterday. I think the same is true of feminism.

I disagree. In theory, I think feminism is fine. But in practice it has evolved from a push toward equality to a media machine spitting out just what they need to keep people offended enough to keep the movement relevant. It's gotten to the point I can't enjoy my favorite shows/movies because someone has to cry over something bad happening to a female character and that's sexist.

Right now it's another branch of social justice warriorhood that spends too much time fighting the good fight on social media and not enough time caring about actual issues. Recently I had an issue with the health insurance I pay for not covering certain forms of birth control in spite of the law. It's part of a bigger picture of these sections of the ACA are not being enforced and insurance companies are still allowed to do what they want. What are media feminists worried about? A couple of actors called a fictional character a slut and a whore. Another fictional character gets raped, on a show where bad things up to an including rape and murder happen to every single character. These are the feminist issues of our time, because it's easier to like/share a post on FB and go on with your day than it is to tackle someone's religious belief that you shouldn't have birth control.

And you see this among other facets of social justice warriorhood. A trans user came on the forums a little while back to cause a shitstorm over the fact that her name showed up in light blue on the other side. Someone tested it and it was determined to be some form of programming error rather than bias as the user perceived it, but that's so much more important than, say, legislation in my state that could cause a trans citizen to face criminal AND civil charges for using the "wrong" bathroom.

Yes, we can say it's "not real feminism" but I don't see any "real" feminists making any attempt to challenge or drown out these views. And some can claim they're a vocal minority but the reality is, THEY are the ones gaining ground!

As I type this I realize I'm part of the problem, because I'm not doing anything at the moment to further these causes myself. I'm not saying these things to gain some kind of moral high ground over feminists or other SJWs, because I know I don't have it. Truth is I've grown weary of politics in general, partly because of things like the above. But that's for another thread.

So I'll just say, 20th century feminism (or my imperfect memory of it) was all right. 21st century feminism? Not so much.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 5:37:25 PM

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DesFIP, Nicely done!

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 6:25:14 PM

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Heh Rock n Rolla
The specific part of your post...

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Recently I had an issue with the health insurance I pay for not covering certain forms of birth control in spite of the law

I came across this at the beginning of the month...http://jezebel.com/health-insurance-companies-are-illegally-charging-for-b-1701472479
I hope they put a stop to that pronto for you

Also a congress person wants to simply make the pill into an OTC. without any medical backing to support his argument.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/05/22/republican_cory_gardner_finds_a_birth_control_bill_he_likes_one_that_won.html

I was going to post the first link in P&R, but as one of only two regular females posting in there, I decided it simply wasnt worth the bullshit from the fallout...chicken? some may think so, but I dont have a dog in the fight apparently...and im a feminazi for daring to discuss "womens" rights over birthcontrol. SO I do what I can off the "fora" behind the scenes to help and not just talk..

oh as an aside, Gloria steinham was in the news this weekend, because she was there with an international group of female activists crossed the heavily fortified border between North and South Korea on Sunday in a controversial effort to bring attention to the need for peace between the two nations.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/asia/north-korea-women-activists-dmz-crossing/
There are as many types of feminist as there are types of BDSM activities....in my opinion, which is why I stated there were not enough options in the poll.

Of course other female "activists" see it as an ill advised stunt, it certainly is controversial. NK and Human Rights seem to many as a pointless endeavour...

There are plenty of "too radical" feminists out there for me, but I am a feminist.
I dont disagree with you either about the social media outrage over the rapes and violence done to women on shows like GOT...Outlander, etc.... Fictional rape is fictional rape... REAL rape is ignored and pooh poo'd by far to many people and its more real and ugly than GMartins books.
If you (generic)cant stand fictional violence, ...but ignore REAL violence, , to me that is a character flaw(my own personal opinion)
Sorry I meant only to pass you along the info about the BC being paid for, but I got to rambling.

Des, I agree with you, and not just because we are about the same age...

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 6:30:55 PM

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I think you called it.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 7:34:45 PM

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I question the randomness of this stupidity.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/25/2015 8:18:33 PM

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ET: it was a FR, meant for the Op. Sorry if it appeared otherwise.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/26/2015 12:08:16 PM

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What a dumbass poll question. Jus sayin.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/26/2015 12:13:44 PM

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I don't agree with burning bras, cuz gravity's an unkind bitch.

Other than that, I believe in Human Rights as a whole. Gender equality should be last century's debate.

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RE: Feminism. For it, against it, or someone else's pro... - 5/26/2015 12:22:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I don't agree with burning bras, cuz gravity's an unkind bitch.

Other than that, I believe in Human Rights as a whole. Gender equality should be last century's debate.

Time and gravity both!!!! make the most of it.

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