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mnottertail -> RE: Bernie Saunders. . . and women (6/2/2015 11:13:07 AM)
Yeah, but there small government works out to corporations and consultants, all costing more and less efficient, just their borrow and spend swept under the rug more.

Lucylastic -> RE: Bernie Saunders. . . and women (6/10/2015 10:16:16 AM)
I was going to post this in the right wing family values, but decided to post it here and revive the thread..... with a slightly different angle.......Jeb Bush and women http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/09/jeb-bush-1995-book_n_7542964.html Jeb Bush In 1995: Unwed Mothers Should Be Publicly Shamed Public shaming would be an effective way to regulate the “irresponsible behavior” of unwed mothers, misbehaving teenagers and welfare recipients, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) argued in his 1995 book Profiles in Character. In a chapter called "The Restoration of Shame,” the likely 2016 presidential candidate made the case that restoring the art of public humiliation could help prevent pregnancies “out of wedlock.” One of the reasons more young women are giving birth out of wedlock and more young men are walking away from their paternal obligations is that there is no longer a stigma attached to this behavior, no reason to feel shame. Many of these young women and young men look around and see their friends engaged in the same irresponsible conduct. Their parents and neighbors have become ineffective at attaching some sense of ridicule to this behavior. There was a time when neighbors and communities would frown on out of wedlock births and when public condemnation was enough of a stimulus for one to be careful. Bush points to Nathaniel Hawthorne's 1850 novel The Scarlet Letter, in which the main character is forced to wear a large red "A" for "adulterer" on her clothes to punish her for having an extramarital affair that produced a child, as an early model for his worldview. "Infamous shotgun weddings and Nathaniel Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter are reminders that public condemnation of irresponsible sexual behavior has strong historical roots,” Bush wrote. As governor of Florida in 2001, Bush had the opportunity to test his theory on public shaming. He declined to veto a very controversial bill that required single mothers who did not know the identity of the father to publish their sexual histories in a newspaper before they could legally put their babies up for adoption. He later signed a repeal of the so-called "Scarlet Letter" law in 2003 after it was successfully challenged in court. Bush's ideas about public shaming extended beyond unwed parents. He said American schools and the welfare system could use a healthy dose of shame as well. “For many, it is more shameful to work than to take public assistance -- that is how backward shame has become!” he wrote, adding that the juvenile criminal justice system also "seems to be lacking in humiliation." In the context of present-day society we need to make kids feel shame before their friends rather than their family. The Miami Herald columnist Robert Steinback has a good idea. He suggests dressing these juveniles in frilly pink jumpsuits and making them sweep the streets of their own neighborhoods! Would these kids be so cavalier then? It's worth pointing out that the kind of public shaming Bush described has come under fire recently in response to the growing trend of parents humiliating their children on social media to punish them. A 13-year-old girl committed suicide last month after her father posted a video of himself cutting off her long hair on YouTube because she had disobeyed him. YouTube and social media, of course, did not exist when Bush wrote his book in 1995. But the former governor makes clear that "society needs to relearn the art of public and private disapproval and how to make those to engage in some undesirable behavior feel some sense of shame." Bush did not respond to a request for comment. Update: June 10 -- Steinback, the former Miami Herald columnist, told HuffPost that "until today, I was unaware that Governor Bush had cited my column on public shaming of juvenile criminal offenders in his 1995 book." "My column made reference only to young offenders who often harbor a mistaken romance about jail and prison, and might consider incarceration a perverse badge of honor. I suggested that sentencing them to wear frilly pink jumpsuits and performing a public duty such as street sweeping in their own neighborhood might serve as more of a deterrent than jail time. I made no mention of using such a tactic with unwed pregnant teens. In fact, I would consider such a policy utterly horrific. Pregnancy is not and should never be treated as a crime. Unwed girls in such circumstances are most likely experiencing considerable personal and psychological stress and anxiety that would only be exacerbated by shaming them publicly," he said.

MrRodgers -> RE: Bernie Saunders. . . and women (6/16/2015 9:50:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Truly...on a kink site, from the 70s, nearly 43 years ago, and he wrote a piece that suggests people have roles, fantasies,etc and the complexities of reconciling them?? How many women have rape fantasies. Or enjoy take down sc3nes being spat on or punched......Do a poll. You sound as bad as people complaining about game of thrones. thought police indeed ironic Hell, he could now get elected pres...in France.

Sanity -> RE: Bernie Saunders. . . and women (7/27/2015 7:06:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Bernie Saunders shares his thoughts on women, men, and their rape fantasies. http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sanders-men-fantsize-about-women-being-abused quote: "A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy," wrote Sanders. "A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused." Sanders didn't specify as to how he had gained such a deep understanding of the male psyche. In terms of his understanding of female sexual fantasies, Sanders provided similar insight. "A woman enjoys intercourse with her man--as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously." Of course dear Bernie has a natural right to express his opinions. And that right should be protected by the government. But nowhere in that calculation is the notion that people who hear his opinions can't or shouldn't judge him by them. Buchanan on the Bern (and Trump): quote: The American political class has failed the country, and should be fired. That is the clearest message from the summer surge of Bernie Sanders and the remarkable rise of Donald Trump. Sanders’ candidacy can trace it roots back to the 19th-century populist party of Mary Elizabeth Lease who declaimed: “Wall Street owns the country. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, and for Wall Street. The great common people of this country are slaves, and monopoly is the master.” “Raise less corn and more hell!” Mary admonished the farmers of Kansas. William Jennings Bryan captured the Democratic nomination in 1896 by denouncing the gold standard beloved of the hard money men of his day: “You shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns, you shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.” Sanders is in that tradition, if not in that league as an orator. His followers, largely white, $50,000-a-year folks with college degrees, call to mind more the followers of George McGovern than Jennings Bryan. Yet the stagnation of workers’ wages as the billionaire boys club admits new members, and the hemorrhaging of U.S. jobs under trade deals done for the Davos-Doha crowd, has created a blazing issue of economic inequality that propels the Sanders campaign. Between his issues and Trump’s there is overlap. Both denounce the trade deals that deindustrialized America and shipped millions of jobs off to Mexico, Asia and China. But Trump has connected to an even more powerful current. That is the issue of uncontrolled and illegal immigration, the sense America’s borders are undefended, that untold millions of lawbreakers are in our country, and more are coming. While most come to work, they are taking American jobs and consuming tax dollars, and too many come to rob, rape, murder and make a living selling drugs. Moreover, the politicians who have talked about this for decades are a pack of phonies who have done little to secure the border. Trump boasts that he will get the job done, as he gets done all other jobs he has undertaken. And his poll ratings are one measure of how far out of touch the Republican establishment is with the Republican heartland. ... Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/could-trump-win/#9z0myJOepWhfrx0Y.99

subfever -> RE: Bernie Saunders. . . and women (7/27/2015 11:04:16 PM)
FR Assuming that we continue to submit to our insane monetary economic system; Bernie Sanders would be the best president for the working class, by far. However, don't hold your breath. The PTB won't allow it to happen, and will play dirty if Bernie gets too close.

Musicmystery -> RE: Bernie Saunders. . . and women (7/28/2015 6:51:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Bernie Saunders shares his thoughts on women, men, and their rape fantasies. http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sanders-men-fantsize-about-women-being-abused quote: "A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy," wrote Sanders. "A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused." Sanders didn't specify as to how he had gained such a deep understanding of the male psyche. In terms of his understanding of female sexual fantasies, Sanders provided similar insight. "A woman enjoys intercourse with her man--as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously." Of course dear Bernie has a natural right to express his opinions. And that right should be protected by the government. But nowhere in that calculation is the notion that people who hear his opinions can't or shouldn't judge him by them. Did some research. Vox gave the whole piece, which seemed to be written on about the level I (and no doubt many others) was writing at in about the 4th grade. It was written in 72. As National Review put it, if a Republican had written this they would be driven out of politics and it would be used to attack all Republicans. They also stated this would be wrong and thus it would be wrong to use this to destroy Sanders. I disagree in that not trashing him will not avoid the trashing of any Republican, see the furor over Walker this week, and that was people running with a misquote. I think you read the news with one eye closed.

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