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What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/29/2015 7:57:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I ask this question all the time, and I just cannot seem to come up with an answer.

I actually like Hilary as a person. I felt sorry for her, during the Lewinsky years.

I have no idea, what qualifies her to hold elected office.

I can't find a single thing she has accomplished as Senator. I certainly can think of a few disastrous votes she took as a Senator.

As Secretary of State (Benghazi aside), she accomplished nothing (maybe I am wrong?).


Maybe I have Hilary all wrong... Someone please enlighten me... Why would I want her to be President??? (Other than to keep the Neocons out of the office)??


I am genuinely curious.
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/29/2015 9:59:11 PM   
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I ask this question all the time, and I just cannot seem to come up with an answer.

I actually like Hilary as a person. I felt sorry for her, during the Lewinsky years.

I have no idea, what qualifies her to hold elected office.

I can't find a single thing she has accomplished as Senator. I certainly can think of a few disastrous votes she took as a Senator.

As Secretary of State (Benghazi aside), she accomplished nothing (maybe I am wrong?).


Maybe I have Hilary all wrong... Someone please enlighten me... Why would I want her to be President??? (Other than to keep the Neocons out of the office)??


I am genuinely curious.

You can't come up with a reason because there isn't one.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/29/2015 10:06:44 PM   
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/29/2015 10:27:57 PM   
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 12:43:35 AM   
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Why would I want her to be President??? (Other than to keep the Neocons out of the office)??



Isn't keeping the Neocons out of the office ample reason on its own? I'm afraid that, like you, I don't rate Hilary very highly, but she would be better than any of the current GOP hopefuls. It would be a case of Hilary first and daylight second IMHO.

Recall what a disaster the last neocon POTUS was for the US and the world. It has taken years for the US to recover from W's mistakes and even longer for the rest of the world. Indeed, it's true to point that significant portions of both the USA and the rest of the world are still recovering. It doesn't look as though the process will be completed any time soon - Iraq anybody?.

No sane person anywhere, except perhaps some of the more ideologically blinkered right-wingers in the US*, wants a repeat of W's disasters.


* Of course, many people would quite reasonably assert that the 'no sane person' qualification automatically excludes the US's far right wingers.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 6:50:39 AM   
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 7:02:21 AM   
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cites please.....other than hillary that is.



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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 7:04:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		She was a do nothing carpetbagging Senator and a disastrous SecState. Under her watch the Middle East has completely destabilised. Her executive decision making is horrendous, but the fact she's a female Dem will have the morons on the left voting for her like the sheeple they are.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 7:30:36 AM   
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 7:44:36 AM   
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She was a do nothing carpetbagging Senator and a disastrous SecState. Under her watch the Middle East has completely destabilised. Her executive decision making is horrendous, but the fact she's a female Dem will have the morons on the left voting for her like the sheeple they are.

when has the M.E. EVER been stable?.


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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 7:59:49 AM   
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is there an insane far left winger running?
cites please.....other than hillary that is.

Talking about the voters...as the poster above me was. Not the candidates.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 8:00:17 AM   
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is there an insane far left winger running?
cites please.....other than hillary that is.

Well, Bernie Sanders is a self-proclaimed socialist. That's insane enough for me.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 8:01:52 AM   
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 9:57:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you are looking only at a person's credentials from previous positions held, perhaps Ms. Clinton doesn't have as much background as many other possible candidates. If I remember right, people said that President Obama didn't have enough or proper credentials either. But, let's look at the previous and present presidents.

Bush probably did have the kind of "credentials" that people might look for. But he made a disastrous president. When the elections were being held for his replacement, people from both sides of the political spectrum agreed that whomever succeeded him would have an extremely tough time trying to get things "fixed".

Obama, as was often pointed out from those that leaned to the right, may not have had the best credentials for running for president. But once he was in office he actually didn't do a bad job considering that he has had absolutely no cooperation from the right wing, and in fact many or most of them have done everything they could to drag their feet and try to cause the president to fail. I, personally, don't like everything the president has done or accomplished, but considering his circumstances, I think he has done a pretty good job.

As for Ms. Clinton, as I said, she may not have the credentials, but I think she has knowledge and ability. As for the right wing candidates that I see, it absolutely scares the crap out of me to think what shape the country would end up in if they should happen to get into office.

Regardless of which candidate ends up being elected, as long as there is this partisan "my way or no way" crap that is going on in congress I don't see much improvement for the country in the near future. I think congress has to get back to working together, working toward compromise, before any president will be judged a "success".


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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 10:50:10 AM   
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Hillary Clinton's Accomplishments Speak for Themselves


The author of that unashamedly biased article did a lot of reaching, and ignored many very severe failings. Calling Hillarys logging a lot of air miles an accomplishment, thats questionable - especially considering the state of things in the world when she was done. Bringing pork home to New York (something that all Senators do) was an accomplishment... ? "A leading role" in this and that are listed as "accomplishments"?

The author gave her credit for Obamacare (Hillarycare failed badly, but claimed it set the stage for Obamacare). Never mind that Obamacare is a massive cluster fuck, and it may yet be ruled illegal...

There is a lot of fluff and air in that heavily biased piece, but not a lot of substance. Pick any one thing and we can discuss it fairly, but as a whole the article falls far short of its stated goal



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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 11:16:37 AM   
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is there an insane far left winger running?
cites please.....other than hillary that is.



Sure, just as soon as you provide credible cites for insane right wingers.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 11:19:16 AM   
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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 11:49:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its funny to read all the right wingers try to put down a lady that could easily beat them to a pulp. How they fear Hillary because not one of their possible 27 candidates for the GOP ticket could beat her in a general election. That Hillary only has to convince 5% of the population were as most of the GOP members need about 25-40%. Its the same sort of problems the GOP/TP had with Romney just a few years earlier.

I heard Gallup (a pretty conservative pollster) announced that of the GOP/TP candidates to run for President, the person most likely to win was 'undecided'. If only they could elect Mr/Mrs/Miss Undecided. I guess such a person wouldn't....waffle....on the issues, right? :P

Clinton, like Obama have many accomplishments to date. They are easily found with a web search. So cease with all the petty attacks that she has accomplished nothing of note or worth; it just makes you look like a total idiot.

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 11:51:04 AM   
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is there an insane far left winger running?
cites please.....other than hillary that is.




Sure, just as soon as you provide credible cites for insane right wingers.

From a strictly language view, isn't she admitting that Hillary is an insane left winger?

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RE: What qualifies Hilary to govern? - 5/30/2015 11:54:47 AM   
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If you are looking only at a person's credentials from previous positions held, perhaps Ms. Clinton doesn't have as much background as many other possible candidates. If I remember right, people said that President Obama didn't have enough or proper credentials either. But, let's look at the previous and present presidents.

Bush probably did have the kind of "credentials" that people might look for. But he made a disastrous president. When the elections were being held for his replacement, people from both sides of the political spectrum agreed that whomever succeeded him would have an extremely tough time trying to get things "fixed".

Obama, as was often pointed out from those that leaned to the right, may not have had the best credentials for running for president. But once he was in office he actually didn't do a bad job considering that he has had absolutely no cooperation from the right wing, and in fact many or most of them have done everything they could to drag their feet and try to cause the president to fail. I, personally, don't like everything the president has done or accomplished, but considering his circumstances, I think he has done a pretty good job.

As for Ms. Clinton, as I said, she may not have the credentials, but I think she has knowledge and ability. As for the right wing candidates that I see, it absolutely scares the crap out of me to think what shape the country would end up in if they should happen to get into office.

Regardless of which candidate ends up being elected, as long as there is this partisan "my way or no way" crap that is going on in congress I don't see much improvement for the country in the near future. I think congress has to get back to working together, working toward compromise, before any president will be judged a "success".




So, in 2015, it's still Bush's fault. Gees.

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