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igor2003 -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 3:33:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Police across the United States shot and killed an average of one unarmed person every three days during the first five months of this year, according to an investigation by The Washington Post. -snip- How is unarmed defined? I have seen numerous cases on these threads alone, where a person trying to run officers down with their automobiles as unarmed. that is a mischaracterization. They do not intend to run the officer down. That is part of the constructive fraud being used against citizens to murder them in cold blood for opposing the state. When a police officer throws himself in front of a car daring someone who is merely trying to escape or ellude capture murdering them under that pretext and claiming that person was attempting to kill them is '*constructive fraud*'. The minute a cop...steps in front of a car, aiming a weapon at the suspect..that suspect has two choices: Keep going or Continue. If he chooses to continue, his car has now become a weapon. Your logic in this is "constructive fraud". When a suspect is shooting at a policeman, the "sane" thing for the policeman to do is to duck for cover. If the suspect is armed with a knife, the officer tries to avoid being struck with the knife. But when an officer steps in front of a speeding car, that is Darwinism at it's finest. Of course, THEN the person driving the car can be either arrested for attempted murder of the policeman or they are shot to death. When cops start standing up like Superman and walking towards someone that is shooting at them, or when they start standing still and letting knife wielding suspects attempt to stab them, THEN I'll accept jumping in front of a speeding car as being a standard and reasonable police practice.

Politesub53 -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 3:43:32 PM)
If only all the unarmed victims had had guns, they could have defended themselves. /sarcasm [8\|]

BamaD -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 6:00:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Police across the United States shot and killed an average of one unarmed person every three days during the first five months of this year, according to an investigation by The Washington Post. -snip- How is unarmed defined? I have seen numerous cases on these threads alone, where a person trying to run officers down with their automobiles as unarmed. that is a mischaracterization. They do not intend to run the officer down. That is part of the constructive fraud being used against citizens to murder them in cold blood for opposing the state. When a police officer throws himself in front of a car daring someone who is merely trying to escape or ellude capture murdering them under that pretext and claiming that person was attempting to kill them is '*constructive fraud*'. When an officer is walking down an alley to talk to someone they gun their car and try to run over him that isn't constructive fraud. When a person is trying to escape or avoid capture by running over them it is no more a constructive fraud to claim self defense on the part of the officer than if they used a gun for the same purpose.

BamaD -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 6:07:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Police across the United States shot and killed an average of one unarmed person every three days during the first five months of this year, according to an investigation by The Washington Post. -snip- How is unarmed defined? I have seen numerous cases on these threads alone, where a person trying to run officers down with their automobiles as unarmed. that is a mischaracterization. They do not intend to run the officer down. That is part of the constructive fraud being used against citizens to murder them in cold blood for opposing the state. When a police officer throws himself in front of a car daring someone who is merely trying to escape or ellude capture murdering them under that pretext and claiming that person was attempting to kill them is '*constructive fraud*'. The minute a cop...steps in front of a car, aiming a weapon at the suspect..that suspect has two choices: Keep going or Continue. If he chooses to continue, his car has now become a weapon. Your logic in this is "constructive fraud". When a suspect is shooting at a policeman, the "sane" thing for the policeman to do is to duck for cover. If the suspect is armed with a knife, the officer tries to avoid being struck with the knife. But when an officer steps in front of a speeding car, that is Darwinism at it's finest. Of course, THEN the person driving the car can be either arrested for attempted murder of the policeman or they are shot to death. When cops start standing up like Superman and walking towards someone that is shooting at them, or when they start standing still and letting knife wielding suspects attempt to stab them, THEN I'll accept jumping in front of a speeding car as being a standard and reasonable police practice. Recent example Garland TX, the guard couldn't run, he was shot in the ankle, returned with two rounds killed both assault rifle wielding terrorists. Your argument is not only way off but groundless. There are many cases where cops have no time to take cover.

JVoV -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 6:24:04 PM)
How long before there's video recording systems in civilian vehicles? There's already car insurance companies with "driver safety" devices (whatever you call them).

BamaD -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 6:52:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV How long before there's video recording systems in civilian vehicles? There's already car insurance companies with "driver safety" devices (whatever you call them). You think that will keep people from attacking the police (usually happens with stolen cars).

Sanity -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 6:52:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV How long before there's video recording systems in civilian vehicles? There's already car insurance companies with "driver safety" devices (whatever you call them). Mandatory black boxes for cars are a already a reality http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/komando/2014/12/26/keep-your-car-black-box-private/20609035/

kdsub -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 8:09:03 PM)
Damn Real... three black men shot and killed three black men in St Louis tonight...all in one hour... DAMN POLICE... all their fucking fault! Butch

BamaD -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 8:14:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Damn Real... three black men shot and killed three black men in St Louis tonight...all in one hour... DAMN POLICE... all their fucking fault! Butch Any shot by the police?

kdsub -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 9:02:38 PM)
No but it has to be the their fault anyway. After all we all know killers... I mean cops...are the cause of all black men's deaths in this country...Damn pigs!!!!

JVoV -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/4/2015 10:06:03 PM)
I'm still trying to convince Bama that people fucking is the #1 cause of pregnancy. Careful with that "we all know" stuff. [8D]

Kirata -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 4:31:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I have no fundamental objection to shooting a person who poses a threat, regardless of whether or not he's armed. But speaking as someone who respects firearms and skill in their use, I find myself disgusted when cops, sometimes multiple officers at once, blast away like maniacs at center of mass, killing an individual who could have been taken off his feet with a leg shot. Do you suppose that cops should shoot for the gun hand when the person is armed, just like Marshall Dillon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAogPMTCkKE Ya figure firing at his legs would have been asking the cops to make a Hollywood "trick shot"? K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 5:32:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ I have no fundamental objection to shooting a person who poses a threat, regardless of whether or not he's armed. But speaking as someone who respects firearms and skill in their use, I find myself disgusted when cops, sometimes multiple officers at once, blast away like maniacs at center of mass, killing an individual who could have been taken off his feet with a leg shot. Firing at center of mass is only recommended because the torso presents a large target, i.e., because you're less likely to miss, not because it is effective. A perpetrator, particularly one who is cranked up on drugs, can take multiple center of mass hits and keep on coming, partly because the effects of internal organ damage and bleeding are not instantaneous, and partly because you haven't impaired his mobility. Where to shoot depends on circumstances and distance, but most of these incidents occur at ranges where a competent shooter has choices. Keystone Cops are funny in the movies, but not so much otherwise. K. This. It might be a surprise that we finally find some common ground on a gun-related issue, but I have to say that I agree with all the sentiments expressed above. It seems pretty clear that more training of police in the areas you've identified can only lead to positive outcomes. Chapeau![;)]

kdsub -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:10:15 AM)
quote: It might be a surprise that we finally find some common ground on a gun-related issue, but I have to say that I agree with all the sentiments expressed above. It seems pretty clear that more training of police in the areas you've identified can only lead to positive outcomes. Chapeau! I agree as well... now if we could only train some of the people they serve to be civilized... we would have an even better outcome. Just maybe we could reduce the 55 black on black murders in St. Louis so far this year...at least up to and including April. I guess because police pull over blacks more than whites that they decided to go out and kill each other... see i knew it was the police departments fault. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:27:17 AM)
I apologize for the ridiculous sarcasm of my last few posts but I truly care that these young men are killing each other. But when I see people making excuses for the violence in their neighborhoods and blaming the police instead of themselves it infuriates me. How many threads have we had discussing the true reasons for violence in these African American neighborhoods? None as far as I can remember...instead all we can talk about is police brutality. Yes there is that and yes it needs to be addressed but it is NOT the reason for the slaughter of young black men in America....it is an excuse that African Americans use to deny their part and responsibility for the violence in their communities. Butch

Arturas -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:35:36 AM)
lol. There are no "rules" of engagement when protecting yourself. You protect yourself. You are allowed to use a gun when you fear for your life. So, if you decide to make an armed citizen fear for their life then be prepared to die because policeman or not they are not going to pause to shoot you in moving appendenges rather than killing you. They will shoot to stop you and likey you will die because they will shoot more than once to insure their family has a husband and father coming home tonight. You will likely die. This is the way it works. You attack armed citizens then you die. I now see store owners in small Tennessee towns openly carring sidearms in visible holsters around heir waist, just like the old wild west days. Damn right. You protest your way into his store and he and his family will blow you back into the street with that semi-automatic he and his brothers carry. It's no more complicated than this.

Arturas -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:48:25 AM)
Pause to aim for an attacker's arms or legs? Ah, no, ain't no fool here. Shock and awe is what is used. The term "unarmed" is meaningless in the context of an attacker. Some day if and when you are attacked perhaps with your family by your side, you will pause and think, "should I shoot his arm"? No, then why do some of you think an policeman or woman must somehow do the same, as if they are somehow supposed to be trained to do so. Like maybe they go to the firing ranges and shoot away from the center target or something just in case they are attacked and so somehow must avoid going to jail by wounding the poor unarmed attacker who is now the victim. Fuck that. In Baltimore those that live and even work in high crime areas want the cops to shoot people after all now that so many are being murdered this month by criminals using illegally obtained weapons and who would have guessed? Ah, any thinking person. Any thinking person whose family is being attacked will want the police there topping their attackers quickly in whatever way is the fastest and most effective and damn we ill not try and second guess the cop who stopped that person in their tracks or we will be fucked the next time we call for the cops.

Kirata -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:53:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas There are no "rules" of engagement when protecting yourself. Being a human being obviously means different things to us. K.

Arturas -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:56:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Police across the United States shot and killed an average of one unarmed person every three days during the first five months of this year, according to an investigation by The Washington Post. -snip- How is unarmed defined? I have seen numerous cases on these threads alone, where a person trying to run officers down with their automobiles as unarmed. that is a mischaracterization. They do not intend to run the officer down. That is part of the constructive fraud being used against citizens to murder them in cold blood for opposing the state. When a police officer throws himself in front of a car daring someone who is merely trying to escape or ellude capture murdering them under that pretext and claiming that person was attempting to kill them is '*constructive fraud*'. This is the post I am supposed to focus on? So you believe a cop will actually throw himself in front of a fast moving 2500 plus pound car moving at speed for no reason but to kill the driver or at least hope to kill him/her before the policeman is horribly injured? That is an interesting bit of logic. I think I see how Obama was elected.

Kirata -> RE: Police Shoot to Death One Unarmed Person Every 3 Days in U.S. (6/5/2015 8:58:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Pause to aim for an attacker's arms or legs? Ah, no, ain't no fool here. Fuck the "pause" shit, aiming is aiming. Where depends on circumstances, range, and how much you're enjoying the chance to kill somebody. K.

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