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ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 1:37:59 PM   
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That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?



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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 1:39:25 PM   
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Those two questions are rhetorical... yes?

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 1:44:18 PM   
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Those two questions are rhetorical... yes?


I will rephrase the questions. Why is Obama playing footsy with ISIS. Why doesnt Hillary address the issue from the campaign trail.



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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 1:46:50 PM   
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Ok, I will come back when i can take those questions seriously.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 1:57:14 PM   
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Ok, I will come back when i can take those questions seriously.


Far greater minds than yours take those questions seriously. From the top of the news feed:

Carter, Dempsey paint bleak picture of Iraq situation

US Falling Short of Goals to Train Anti-ISIS Fighters

I am betting that the people fleeing ISIS, and the women who have been captured by ISIS and know the horrors first hand, are asking such questions as well

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:06:01 PM   
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For real Sanity... what would you have Obama do?

It seems to me there are only two options... what we are doing or sending American boys and girls to die for people that hate our guts and will gladly use American lives for their ends.

Right now it seems that the combined forces of American intelligence are doing a pretty good job at home. That is good enough for me... As far as the rest I'm all for letting them kill each other... Then... if what is left attacks us blow them to kingdom come.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:15:20 PM   
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That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?


ISIS is not the....ONLY....threat. Its just the current threat. The more popular of threats in the media. That government agencies local on up to the federal level (dare I say international....), work tirelessly on a daily effort to combat and keep the actual threats to a minimal. The current administration, just like the ones before it, have had to face many problems by unorganized attackers and organized crime. You want to blame President Obama for stuff that hasn't happen? Go for it! Just as long as you deliver the same sort of 'fury and anger' towards conservatives in office. You were very silent during the Bush years in office on this same sort of stuff....

An Hilary, whom is married to a former US President, a former Secretary of State, and a presidential candidate for 2016, is....VERY MUCH....aware of ISIS. She could no doubt school....ALL....the GOP contenders together about ISIS.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:20:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?


ISIS is not the....ONLY....threat. Its just the current threat. The more popular of threats in the media. That government agencies local on up to the federal level (dare I say international....), work tirelessly on a daily effort to combat and keep the actual threats to a minimal. The current administration, just like the ones before it, have had to face many problems by unorganized attackers and organized crime. You want to blame President Obama for stuff that hasn't happen? Go for it! Just as long as you deliver the same sort of 'fury and anger' towards conservatives in office. You were very silent during the Bush years in office on this same sort of stuff....

An Hilary, whom is married to a former US President, a former Secretary of State, and a presidential candidate for 2016, is....VERY MUCH....aware of ISIS. She could no doubt school....ALL....the GOP contenders together about ISIS.

Her husband who deliberately let Osama go three times.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:24:04 PM   
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Those two questions are rhetorical... yes?

I will rephrase the questions. Why is Obama playing footsy with ISIS. Why doesnt Hillary address the issue from the campaign trail.


President Obama is not playing 'footsy' with ISIS. I recall that the American people do not wish to send our troops back to the Middle East unless they utterly have to. The President is understanding of this feeling of the American people. But for you, things bullshit no matter what they President does. Let's say the President is aware of your Option (calling it Option A):

A ) President supports Option A, you would instantly support Option B
B ) President supports Option B, you would instantly support Option A
C ) President supports Option A & B, you would instantly support Option C

In other words, you hate the President so much, it really doesn't matter what the guy does. Since if he does something you want, you'll just change your viewpoint to something else and continue the 'bitching fest'. Its an observation made of conservatives for the last seven years, Sanity! An not just on foreign policy but many, many, MANY, other issues.

Recall Libya a few years back. The President asked those Republicans in Congress what they wanted him to do. Because for the time before hand, they were dogging him on 'this or that issue'. When ever he took a position in supporting the idea the GOP had, they would instantly switch their position to something else. Now, at that moment they had to choose a position publically and couldn't play their games. Which pissed off many conservatives, whom bitched the President wasn't be decisive enough (i.e. President asked them for their input, like they wanted/demanded, and now taking a different stance to bitch further).

That I'm not the only one here that understanding your 'bitch fest' Sanity, is ALSO, noted.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:26:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?


ISIS is not the....ONLY....threat. Its just the current threat. The more popular of threats in the media. That government agencies local on up to the federal level (dare I say international....), work tirelessly on a daily effort to combat and keep the actual threats to a minimal. The current administration, just like the ones before it, have had to face many problems by unorganized attackers and organized crime. You want to blame President Obama for stuff that hasn't happen? Go for it! Just as long as you deliver the same sort of 'fury and anger' towards conservatives in office. You were very silent during the Bush years in office on this same sort of stuff....

An Hilary, whom is married to a former US President, a former Secretary of State, and a presidential candidate for 2016, is....VERY MUCH....aware of ISIS. She could no doubt school....ALL....the GOP contenders together about ISIS.

Her husband who deliberately let Osama go three times.


An George W. Bush allowed the same guy to get away from him for eight years. Five of those while we were 'at war' in Osama's backyard. On top of that, he was using US troops in the Middle East, which former President Clinton really did not have in such vast numbers.

Funny how you don't bitch about George W. Bush here, isn't it?

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:32:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?


ISIS is not the....ONLY....threat. Its just the current threat. The more popular of threats in the media. That government agencies local on up to the federal level (dare I say international....), work tirelessly on a daily effort to combat and keep the actual threats to a minimal. The current administration, just like the ones before it, have had to face many problems by unorganized attackers and organized crime. You want to blame President Obama for stuff that hasn't happen? Go for it! Just as long as you deliver the same sort of 'fury and anger' towards conservatives in office. You were very silent during the Bush years in office on this same sort of stuff....

An Hilary, whom is married to a former US President, a former Secretary of State, and a presidential candidate for 2016, is....VERY MUCH....aware of ISIS. She could no doubt school....ALL....the GOP contenders together about ISIS.

Her husband who deliberately let Osama go three times.


An George W. Bush allowed the same guy to get away from him for eight years. Five of those while we were 'at war' in Osama's backyard. On top of that, he was using US troops in the Middle East, which former President Clinton really did not have in such vast numbers.

Funny how you don't bitch about George W. Bush here, isn't it?

Don't know if you are aware of this but there is a major difference between the military not finding someone ( Bush wasn't personally hunting Osama any more than Obama personally found and killed him) and refusing to take custody when he his handed to you.
Did I miss the part where I said that Jeb Bush having both a father and a brother who were president qualified him to be president. Oh that's right I didn't.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:44:34 PM   
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What does jeb bush have to do with anything ? The guy cant even decide if he would have done the same as his brah.


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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:53:26 PM   
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That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?


ISIS is not the....ONLY....threat. Its just the current threat. The more popular of threats in the media. That government agencies local on up to the federal level (dare I say international....), work tirelessly on a daily effort to combat and keep the actual threats to a minimal. The current administration, just like the ones before it, have had to face many problems by unorganized attackers and organized crime. You want to blame President Obama for stuff that hasn't happen? Go for it! Just as long as you deliver the same sort of 'fury and anger' towards conservatives in office. You were very silent during the Bush years in office on this same sort of stuff....

An Hilary, whom is married to a former US President, a former Secretary of State, and a presidential candidate for 2016, is....VERY MUCH....aware of ISIS. She could no doubt school....ALL....the GOP contenders together about ISIS.

Her husband who deliberately let Osama go three times.


An George W. Bush allowed the same guy to get away from him for eight years. Five of those while we were 'at war' in Osama's backyard. On top of that, he was using US troops in the Middle East, which former President Clinton really did not have in such vast numbers.

Funny how you don't bitch about George W. Bush here, isn't it?

Don't know if you are aware of this but there is a major difference between the military not finding someone ( Bush wasn't personally hunting Osama any more than Obama personally found and killed him) and refusing to take custody when he his handed to you.


Yeah, Bush wasn't hunting the mastermind of 9/11? You believe all that conservative media swill, don't you? Who was it that said:

"I hear you, and when we find out who did this, they will hear from us!" While standing on top of a pile of rumble in New York City days after the 9/11 attack?

This was also the same guy that said he would not conduct NATION BUILDING in foreign countries. That and many other instances of him lying (like promoting torture which is a violation of the 8th amendment).

The difference between Bush and Obama, is the current President understood that getting our troops out of that fuck-show required Osama captured or killed. In fact, I seem to recall the President giving the AUTHORIZATION to allow a band of kick-ass elite guys to stealth into neighboring Pakistan, and raid Osama's house just a thousand feet down the road from a Pakistan military base. In and out without anyone none the wiser. What is really funny are two things:

A ) The Comanche Program does not seem to have been concluded after all...
B ) The manner that conservatives bash Obama while giving praise to the troops (even though both were required for the successful operation).

Keep up with the bullshit, its seriously amusing. If your going to attack the President, please make sure its a solid argument. Because I got a whole chest of stuff former President George W. Bush failed to get right. Particularly in situations were there were no 'do overs'.

One last thing here: I may dislike former President George W. Bush for his actions and ideas while in office. But I still show the proper respect for the guy. How many on the conservative and libertarian side on this forum can do the same towards any of the Democrats?

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Did I miss the part where I said that Jeb Bush having both a father and a brother who were president qualified him to be president. Oh that's right I didn't.


What does Jeb Bush have to do with any of this?

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 2:55:46 PM   
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ISIS affecting us ... let's see ... did Hitler affect us or was he just killing nameless, faceless, Jews (and Catholic Poles).

Does ISIS kill people (in horrible ways) strictly because of their religious beliefs?

I think it's a reasonable analogy.

So ... do we continue to allow today's Nazis free reign? Have they not killed Americans? When do we finally say: "I fucking hate the idea of sending our precious blood off to fight but these assholes have GOT to be stopped!"

Most people with two brain cells to rub together realized that ISIS must be a "thing" when fucking Al Qaeda denounced them.



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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 3:00:42 PM   
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I think everyone knows that ISIS are a bunch of deranged, psychopathic shits, DS. I'm sure that it hasn't escaped the Pres's attention either. The trouble is that working out a strategy for dealing with them is a minefield.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 3:12:19 PM   
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That, according to left-of-center ABC News. George Stephanopoulos is reporting that "Hundreds of investigations are underway in all 50 states" by the FBI, and that "Many involve suspected ISIS supporters..."

Exclusive: FBI in Midst of Broad Campaign to Disrupt ISIS, Sources Say

ISIS knows that they are our enemy. But does Obama? Does Hillary?


ISIS is not the....ONLY....threat. Its just the current threat. The more popular of threats in the media. That government agencies local on up to the federal level (dare I say international....), work tirelessly on a daily effort to combat and keep the actual threats to a minimal. The current administration, just like the ones before it, have had to face many problems by unorganized attackers and organized crime. You want to blame President Obama for stuff that hasn't happen? Go for it! Just as long as you deliver the same sort of 'fury and anger' towards conservatives in office. You were very silent during the Bush years in office on this same sort of stuff....

An Hilary, whom is married to a former US President, a former Secretary of State, and a presidential candidate for 2016, is....VERY MUCH....aware of ISIS. She could no doubt school....ALL....the GOP contenders together about ISIS.

Her husband who deliberately let Osama go three times.


An George W. Bush allowed the same guy to get away from him for eight years. Five of those while we were 'at war' in Osama's backyard. On top of that, he was using US troops in the Middle East, which former President Clinton really did not have in such vast numbers.

Funny how you don't bitch about George W. Bush here, isn't it?

Don't know if you are aware of this but there is a major difference between the military not finding someone ( Bush wasn't personally hunting Osama any more than Obama personally found and killed him) and refusing to take custody when he his handed to you.


Yeah, Bush wasn't hunting the mastermind of 9/11? You believe all that conservative media swill, don't you? Who was it that said:

"I hear you, and when we find out who did this, they will hear from us!" While standing on top of a pile of rumble in New York City days after the 9/11 attack?

This was also the same guy that said he would not conduct NATION BUILDING in foreign countries. That and many other instances of him lying (like promoting torture which is a violation of the 8th amendment).

The difference between Bush and Obama, is the current President understood that getting our troops out of that fuck-show required Osama captured or killed. In fact, I seem to recall the President giving the AUTHORIZATION to allow a band of kick-ass elite guys to stealth into neighboring Pakistan, and raid Osama's house just a thousand feet down the road from a Pakistan military base. In and out without anyone none the wiser. What is really funny are two things:

A ) The Comanche Program does not seem to have been concluded after all...
B ) The manner that conservatives bash Obama while giving praise to the troops (even though both were required for the successful operation).

Keep up with the bullshit, its seriously amusing. If your going to attack the President, please make sure its a solid argument. Because I got a whole chest of stuff former President George W. Bush failed to get right. Particularly in situations were there were no 'do overs'.

One last thing here: I may dislike former President George W. Bush for his actions and ideas while in office. But I still show the proper respect for the guy. How many on the conservative and libertarian side on this forum can do the same towards any of the Democrats?

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Did I miss the part where I said that Jeb Bush having both a father and a brother who were president qualified him to be president. Oh that's right I didn't.


What does Jeb Bush have to do with any of this?

Kind of slow today aren't you?
I said he wasn't personally hunting for Osama, the information gathered under him is contributed to catching up with him.
Clinton, on the other hand, personally decided not to take custody of Osama three times when others offered to hand him to us on a silver platter.
Jeb Bush being related to two presidents makes him as qualified to be president as Hillary being married to one. I was putting your praising Hillary for having married a man who became president in perspective.

PS the rest of your post was merely proving how little you understood what I was saying.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 3:12:27 PM   
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Yes, the strategy is a mine field for Obama after spending six and a half years blaming things on Bush. He may have to actually take sponsibility for a foreign policy.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 3:14:57 PM   
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ISIS affecting us ... let's see ... did Hitler affect us or was he just killing nameless, faceless, Jews (and Catholic Poles).

Does ISIS kill people (in horrible ways) strictly because of their religious beliefs?

I think it's a reasonable analogy.

So ... do we continue to allow today's Nazis free reign? Have they not killed Americans? When do we finally say: "I fucking hate the idea of sending our precious blood off to fight but these assholes have GOT to be stopped!"

Most people with two brain cells to rub together realized that ISIS must be a "thing" when fucking Al Qaeda denounced them.



Michael


Oh no, they are just a JV team and if we just got them jobs everything would be ok.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 3:17:08 PM   
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I think everyone knows that ISIS are a bunch of deranged, psychopathic shits, DS. I'm sure that it hasn't escaped the Pres's attention either. The trouble is that working out a strategy for dealing with them is a minefield.

An even bigger problem was that early on he decided that they weren't a problem and doesn't have a clue as to what to do since words alone won't stop them.

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RE: ISIS Does Affect Us Here - 6/17/2015 3:20:49 PM   
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I think everyone knows that ISIS are a bunch of deranged, psychopathic shits, DS. I'm sure that it hasn't escaped the Pres's attention either. The trouble is that working out a strategy for dealing with them is a minefield.


A "...minefield..." would be putting it REALLY mildly. All the cultures, ideas, religious beliefs and the physical terrain make things very difficult to understand. Most Americans are not aware of the specifics, instead think its all just "one and the same; they are Arabs, right". The President has good advisers whom are giving him good advice right now. They are very much aware of the finite and tiny aspects to things. If put as an analogy, most of America can not see a molecule with the naked eye; but the administration can because they have the tools and knowledge.

Subsequently the GOP/TP hopefuls, whom are just as ignorant as the American people (without stating/admitting it), push people's buttons. Manipulating the fears and ignorance of the common American that the current President, or even the Democratic front runner are not good leaders, nor fixing the problem. Yet, when ask directly, these same people either sink back into the shadows were hence they came from; or froth total ignorance and inflammatory speech.

This is not a problem for the government of our nation to understand and figure out, its the general population.

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