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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 4:08:26 AM

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I was in the U.S. a few years back. I won't say which city to protect the innocent. I have a fairly pronounced east end ( London) accent and the guy I was with had a thick Dutch accent and the local we were talking to asked where we were from. We told him we were from Australia............one from South Australia and one from Queensland. He said " yeah, I thought I recognised the accent.......................Australia ? That's somewhere down south isn't it ". We agreed that it most definitely was and continued choking on our 'sex by the sea'.
I have no idea if he was a lefty or a righty and I really didn't care either but I have found that many americans couldn't find maybe one in ten countries on any given atlas, regardless of the pretty colours. So, not only tunnel-visioned but colour-blind too maybe ?

Yea some people are not real bright. And then there are others who have to put down those folks in order to feel superior. Personally I would rather hang with the idiots.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 4:21:44 AM

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This is about where I have to step in and it looks to some of you that I will be siding with Sanity. I am not. I don't know what happened, what was understood or not. I have been leaving warnings on threads that become more attack than topic. I've even had to lock some. Everyone has made their point. If anyone would like to discus the article, that would be welcome, whether the topic is off topic or not.

What am I to do with this? I can't allow a thread that is a basic beat down with no topic, but the beat down.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 4:39:58 AM

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What am I to do with this [thread]?

It has to be a shoo-in for the CS Hall of Fame!

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 5:04:23 AM

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would it not be fair for Australians or Austrians or those who know about these countries to comment about some misconceptions regarding these countries?

I d love to agree with thishereboi if I could find any trace of sympathy or commiseration in the initial messages here on this thread - so apparently that was not what the authors of these messages had in mind

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 5:14:23 AM

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What am I to do with this?

Some pictures accompanied by narrative would help.

Something along the lines of:

Austria: picture of man in lederhosen. Narrative: majority German speaking nation, to the East/South of Germany, predominantly Catholic, Mother of Freud, Hayek and Wittgenstein.

Australia: picture of Sheila in a hat with corks in. Narrative: majority English speaking nation populated by English prisoners who were sentenced to exile for the crime of stealing a piece of bread, located half a mile from the sun with an inordinate amount of animals that hate people and want to kill them. Mother of Shane Warne and John Monash.

By God, there are some sadists on this thread. I saw the OP pretty much as soon as Sanity had posted it, but didn't have the heart to put the boot in.

Never mind, Sanity, can't win 'em all mate. Your next one will leave readers spellbound.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 5:18:20 AM

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This is about where I have to step in and it looks to some of you that I will be siding with Sanity. I am not. I don't know what happened, what was understood or not. I have been leaving warnings on threads that become more attack than topic. I've even had to lock some. Everyone has made their point. If anyone would like to discus the article, that would be welcome, whether the topic is off topic or not.

What am I to do with this? I can't allow a thread that is a basic beat down with no topic, but the beat down.

I will hold my hands up to being somewhat guillty but I will just say this.

I saw this as little more than an attempt to bash Tweakable. The thread was little more than that, as an alternative to the thread on the racist shootings in South Carolina, a little more reading of the link by the Op shows clearly the incident took place in Austria.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 6:37:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: missiesfavourite

would it not be fair for Australians or Austrians or those who know about these countries to comment about some misconceptions regarding these countries?

Or Americans, since now apparently we are geographically ignorant, tunnel-visioned and color blind, according to someone who was actually here 'a few years back'.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
I have no idea if he was a lefty or a righty and I really didn't care either but I have found that many americans couldn't find maybe one in ten countries on any given atlas, regardless of the pretty colours. So, not only tunnel-visioned but colour-blind too maybe ?

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 6:38:21 AM

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I will hold my hands up to being somewhat guillty but I will just say this.

I saw this as little more than an attempt to bash Tweakable. The thread was little more than that, as an alternative to the thread on the racist shootings in South Carolina, a little more reading of the link by the Op shows clearly the incident took place in Austria.

No

You are no mind reader

As I stated previously I misread the word "Austria"

The thread premise is that violent criminals are everywhere, and that guns arent necessary. Someone was asking how to change the culture in South Carolina. Others were suggesting that the gun was at fault is South Carolina

Here is a case where a madman caused just as much mayhem with a car, and he wasnt in or from South Carolina

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 6:48:30 AM

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I almost believe you Sanity .......

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 6:51:56 AM

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I almost believe you Sanity .......

You are heartless

Still not a word of remorse for the victims, the tragedy is just a laugh riot for you and polite, and all your little troll friends isnt it

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 6:52:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: missiesfavourite

would it not be fair for Australians or Austrians or those who know about these countries to comment about some misconceptions regarding these countries?

Or Americans, since now apparently we are geographically ignorant, tunnel-visioned and color blind, according to someone who was actually here 'a few years back'.

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
I have no idea if he was a lefty or a righty and I really didn't care either but I have found that many americans couldn't find maybe one in ten countries on any given atlas, regardless of the pretty colours. So, not only tunnel-visioned but colour-blind too maybe ?

oh for sure given there are some 350 million americans there is also a lot of reason to assume that many many of them are quite able and neither ignorant nor tunnel-visioned

but there are some others too with comments galore proving that they do not belong to those able ones but only too keen and ready to call anyone a "moron" who has another opinion or more precise information on the subject

I wish those able 349+ million would post more comments here

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 6:55:47 AM

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oh for sure given there are some 350 million americans there is also a lot of reason to assume that many many of them are quite able and neither ignorant nor tunnel-visioned

but there are some others too with comments galore proving that they do not belong to those able ones but only too keen and ready to call anyone a "moron" who has another opinion or more precise information on the subject

I wish those able 349+ million would post more comments here

My experience has been that Americans are much the same as anyone else - most of them that I have encountered are lovely people. There's a few I'd rather not meet again. I think it's the same for Americans posting here too.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:06:10 AM

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I think a thread so amusing almost on a global scale (2 continents on opposing sides at least) is also quite an achievement

greetings to the antipodes

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:07:08 AM

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The thread premise is that violent criminals are everywhere, and that guns arent necessary. Someone was asking how to change the culture in South Carolina. Others were suggesting that the gun was at fault is South Carolina

Here is a case where a madman caused just as much mayhem with a car, and he wasnt in or from South Carolina

The idea that there are violent criminals everywhere is not news.

That said, it is very rare for someone to cause the same amount of damage with a knife than with a gun.

That's just obvious, in the same way a bomb will generally do more damage than someone armed with a gun.

The United States is different to most other countries. It is true that gun sprees aren't the sole preserve of the United States - take a look at that Norwegian/Swedish fella - can't remember which country now - but he managed to kill somewhere around 90 people armed with a gun.

Yet, it is also true that these gun sprees, and the damage that ensues, is more of a feature of American life than anywhere else in what is generally considered as the developed world.

If you have evidence to the contrary then by all means post it and I'll reconsider.

In my view, some of this is cultural. American films have a theme running through them focusing on violence and Heroism; English films tend to have an undercurrent of sex and tragedy.

There is a little bit of the conservative in me. Too much violence on television can influence people.

It's your country, though, to do as you please.

I would add, however, that I don't think guns are the problem. It's just that a gun can do more damage than other weapons.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:19:53 AM

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Austria? Thats even worse, should have known - with their history of Naziism

Still runs strong today btw

btw do not forget to tell your crocodile tears the right direction

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:21:10 AM

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So the obvious questions are, what new laws are needed to stop this? And how can we change Australian culture, to keep this sort of thing from ever happening again.

You can't keep anything from ever happening again. Attempting to is just a collectivist tactic to introduce more draconian laws.

Regarding the title of the thread specifically, you shouldn't be seeking to change any culture. If you're in austria and you don't like the culture there, then leave, move to somewhere whose culture is more suited to you

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:38:24 AM

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So the obvious questions are, what new laws are needed to stop this? And how can we change Australian culture, to keep this sort of thing from ever happening again.

You can't keep anything from ever happening again. Attempting to is just a collectivist tactic to introduce more draconian laws.

Regarding the title of the thread specifically, you shouldn't be seeking to change any culture. If you're in austria and you don't like the culture there, then leave, move to somewhere whose culture is more suited to you

Wow

Very well said

But I would add, why would the actions of a lone mad man suggest to anyone, that there is something wrong with the culture

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:46:26 AM

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At least three killed in Austria after man drives into crowd before 'stabbing passers-by' in Graz

A seven-year-old boy is reportedly among the three people killed in Austria by a man who ploughed his car into crowds in the country’s second-largest city and then reportedly started stabbing people.

A witness told the Wiener Zeitung newspaper that dead bodies were left lying face down in the road after the vehicle sped through streets near the the historical Herrengasse in Graz.

The killing only stopped when the driver parked his battered car outside a police station.

More than 30 pedestrians, including three children, were hurt at several locations during the rampage and 10 victims were in hospital with serious injuries. One patient was in a critical condition on Saturday afternoon.

The driver, identified by police as a 26-year-old Austrian man of Bosnian heritage, has been arrested. He works as a professional driver and is married with two children.

Police are not currently investigating terrorism as a motive and the suspect is believed to be suffering from mental illness...

So the obvious questions are, what new laws are needed to stop this? And how can we change Australian culture, to keep this sort of thing from ever happening again.

Why does Australian culture need to change if the incident occurred in Austria? Maybe the German names of Österreich for Austria and Australien for Australia might clarify the difference.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:51:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: missiesfavourite

I think a thread so amusing almost on a global scale (2 continents on opposing sides at least) is also quite an achievement

greetings to the antipodes

Amusing? Oh yesssss! It is hilarious (apart from the awful events in the OP) There's a kind of karmic justice running through the thread too, which is nice to see.

greetings from the antipodes.

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RE: How Can We Change Aussie Culture??? - 6/21/2015 7:52:51 AM

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I was hoping to get cloudboy's input on this as well. But, I guess enough is enough.

These are comments made on the shooting in the black church thread. You'll notice that the leftists use the horror of the event to ridicule Sanity. Now, you can go through this thread and see it's being used to ridicule Sanity with absolutely no notice or consideration of the horror of the event. Several people on here tried to actually make this about the horrible thing that happened. Several people on here were willing to forgive a minor error and actually reasonably discuss the event. But, as can be seen reading through, the same leftist hate mongers just have to turn the event into a glee fest to attack Sanity. Shame on you all.

You all cried crocodile tears for the people in the black church. Never again do you have the right to do that here. You've exhibited that all you do, and all you feel is hate and the desire to attack what you don't understand or what is different.

Sanity, on the other hand, handled this and the other thread like a man. Good job.

Tweak

Before you make any political points, don't you think it might be an idea to condemn this awful shooting? Or is the horror secondary to the potential political capital for you? Or does it matter at all to you? At least Bama labelled the shooter a "psycho" which lets us all know he disapproves strongly of the perpetrator and his/her actions.

But from you Sanity silence nada zilch not even a squeak ...... I guess that tells its own story doesn't it?

Sanity, I don't see any hate in Lucy's post. I do see contempt. There is a difference.

Tweak

I share that contempt. That contempt is directed at those who want to exploit this vicious "hate crime" for their own political purposes. You know, people who refuse to condemn the crime and then twist the agony to make specious irrelevant self serving political points. You know, people like you.

Any one who is unable to condemn horrors like this but willing and able to use tragedies like this to make self serving political capital deserves contempt wouldn't you agree?

Cloudboy

He doesn't really feel anything for people and causes out of his comfort zone.

To Sanity, Bama and "the ISIS crowd" this is an isolated incident and they don't want to see it as terrorism or racism. They can't go there.

What a depraved act. Just mind boggling.

Cloudboy

Thanks for expressing your sympathies for the victims -- and there's been a long line of such victims in the USA.

Tweak

How dare you talk about "healing" when you are unable to condemn this "heinous crime" (to quote Charleston's Police Chief) ??

How fucking dare you? Have you no shame at all?

Some good news: the police report having arrested the suspect and having him in custody. I hope he never sees daylight again.

Peon

Wow, that was breathtakingly cynical. Are we lefties such psychopaths, to you? I heard that a man had gone into a church and killed peaceful people. I was appalled. Simple as that. I don't know of anybody of any political hue who I could imagine feeling differently.

Tweak

Oh my fucking God!!!!! You think this is a game. You are sick. Please get professional help. Please.

I don't believe I have ever seen a nickname be so diametrically opposite to the person's reality ..........

Tweak

Yes I agree. Excellent post DS. It's a relief to be reminded that some on the Right are capable of thinking intelligently and expressing themselves eloquently. One wouldn't think so if we only had Sanity's or Hunter's posts to go by.

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