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Aylee -> RE: Civil Forfeiture and Horne V Department of Agriculture (6/25/2015 3:42:44 PM)

Among other government programs that should be ended, the raisin reserve should be one of them.




Real0ne -> RE: Civil Forfeiture and Horne V Department of Agriculture (6/26/2015 10:34:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Read this and weep kinkroids. The whole matter is a direct bi-product of the agric. welfare program (raisin stamps anyone ?) in that great plutocratic re-distribution of wealth from the consumer to the investor class.

Isn't free market/capitalism [sic]...great ?



Takings are addressed in the 5th and this matter spawned from legal synthesis pushed onto us by the courts by their constant narrow rulings until there is nothing left, as I have said in earlier posts.

http://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/protecting-private-property-rights-regulatory-takings

Uncompensated regulatory takings of private property have become an immense problem across the nation. As federal, state, and local regulations have increased in number and scope, property owners have increasingly found themselves unable to use their property and unable to recover the losses that result.

The problem begins, therefore, with the growth of government regulations that deny owners the legitimate use of their property. It should end with the relief that courts might give in the form of compensation to those owners, as required by the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause. Unfortunately, the courts have been locked into what the Supreme Court itself has called 70-odd years of ad hoc regulatory takings jurisprudence.




MrRodgers -> RE: Civil Forfeiture and Horne V Department of Agriculture (6/26/2015 8:10:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Read this and weep kinkroids. The whole matter is a direct bi-product of the agric. welfare program (raisin stamps anyone ?) in that great plutocratic re-distribution of wealth from the consumer to the investor class.

Isn't free market/capitalism [sic]...great ?



Takings are addressed in the 5th and this matter spawned from legal synthesis pushed onto us by the courts by their constant narrow rulings until there is nothing left, as I have said in earlier posts.

http://www.cato.org/publications/congressional-testimony/protecting-private-property-rights-regulatory-takings

Uncompensated regulatory takings of private property have become an immense problem across the nation. As federal, state, and local regulations have increased in number and scope, property owners have increasingly found themselves unable to use their property and unable to recover the losses that result.

The problem begins, therefore, with the growth of government regulations that deny owners the legitimate use of their property. It should end with the relief that courts might give in the form of compensation to those owners, as required by the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause. Unfortunately, the courts have been locked into what the Supreme Court itself has called 70-odd years of ad hoc regulatory takings jurisprudence.


The whole genesis of the so-called 'Raisin Program' was born with the agric. welfare program called farm subsidies and have since morphed into price protection (supply manipulation) resulting in this kind of govt. action.

So what is created is an entitlement culture which creates farmers expecting a profitable price for the product they do sell with little demand and also entitled to compensation for the product they don't, which is confiscated by the govt. to reduce supply in that effort.

Unless of course one is to accept that 'entitlements' are only those programs for the great capitalist proletariat who actually pays for first.




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