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smile2cu -> Submissive's Creed (11/28/2004 8:24:23 AM)

I ran accross this on another site and thought it was worth reposting.

Submissive's Creed
Author Unknown

I will communicate with complete honesty my needs, desires, limits, and experience. I realize that failing to do so will not only prevent my Top and I from having the best experience possible, but can also lead to physical and emotional harm.

I will not try to manipulate my Top. I will not push to make a scene go the way I feel it should. In other words, I will not top from the bottom.

I will keep an open mind about trying things that I am not comfortable with and expanding my limits. I will continue to grow as a submissive and as a human being.

I will accept the responsibility of discovering what pleases my Top, and will do my best to fulfill their wishes and desires.

I will not allow myself to be harmed or abused. I know that submissive does not equal doormat.

I will be courteous and helpful to my fellow submissives. I will share my knowledge and experience with others in the hope that they will learn and benefit from where I have been. I will take the time to help those new to the scene start out on the correct path.

I will be responsive to my Top. I will not try to hide what my mind and body are feeling so that I may assist him or her in the responsibilities as my authority. I know that Dominants are not telepaths, and will not expect my Top to know thoughts or feelings which I do not share.

I will accept in the responsibility of a scene or relationship gone bad. I will not place total blame on my Top when it is not warranted simply because they are the Dominant. I realize that things may not work out as they should at times, and will do my best to put it behind me and move on.

I will give my gift of submission only to those that can responsibly accept and desire to receive. I will not place anyone in the position of Topping me non-consensually, nor will I give my respect to someone that has not earned it.

I know that D/s is not a contest, and will never think myself a "better" submissive because I choose to submit on a different level than another. I will not be boastful of the experiences I have had as a bottom.

I will be obedient to my Top even if I disagree with what they are requesting. I realize they have my best interests at heart and often know better than I what I need in a particular situation.

I know that my actions reflect upon my Top, and will do my best to help others see him or her in a positive way. I will not intentionally embarrass or displease my Dominant.

Above all, I will wear my title of submissive with honor. I will never cause others to think that being submissive means to be weak or sub-human. I will take pride in who and what I am and will never show myself in a negative way.



perverseangelic -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/28/2004 10:32:11 AM)

Normally I don't like lists. THis one I think has some really good stuff on it :)

One question.
"I will not try to manipulate my Top."

Sometimes, my partner needs to be manipulated to get him to eat properly, go to bed before 4 am on school nights, and generally take care of himself. I'd think this isn't a bad thing, however in those cases I am very definatly topping from the bottom, and I'd readily admit that. I personally believe it to be a good thing, because I see my role as one of making his life better and happier. Getting him to take care of himself, sometimes through means which other's would call "dominant" definatly makes his life better.

I'm curious as to other opinions. Are there occations when it is ok to manipulate your top? Are there situations when your duty to his/her well being surmounts your submission to his desires?



smile2cu -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/28/2004 1:37:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
Sometimes, my partner needs to be manipulated to get him to eat properly, go to bed before 4 am on school nights, and generally take care of himself. I'd think this isn't a bad thing, however in those cases I am very definatly topping from the bottom, and I'd readily admit that.
Seems to me that's not "topping from the bottom" so much as just plain caring. So long as you're not nagging, in an active session, or being too devious it seems to me that this is a good thing. [;)]



perverseangelic -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/28/2004 9:10:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: smile2cu

Seems to me that's not "topping from the bottom" so much as just plain caring. So long as you're not nagging, in an active session, or being too devious it seems to me that this is a good thing. [;)]



Is threatening to 'withold sex' too devious? :) Not like it's ever a serious threat, nor one I could ever follow up on, but it sounds good, no?



tanna -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/29/2004 3:56:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
I'm curious as to other opinions. Are there occations when it is ok to manipulate your top? Are there situations when your duty to his/her well being surmounts your submission to his desires?


I believe that is what is known as "Power Exchange".. It's not a bad thing, it's just part of the necessary interchange in a relationship. Although I would not use the term 'manipulate' to which you described. You are reminding your Dominant, hopefully in a respectful way, that he has needs for sleep, food, whatever, and those should be as well taken care of as you are. [:)]

tanna

P.S. Thanks, smile2cu, for the posting of the Submissive's Creed.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/29/2004 9:37:49 AM)

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Sometimes, my partner needs to be manipulated


Master would not appreciate deviousness or any effort by this slave to manipulate Him. this slave would expect to be punished for it.

quote:

Are there situations when your duty to his/her well being surmounts your submission to his desires?


this slave's submission to Master's desires contributes to His well being. this slave has had previous vanilla relationships where all the manipulation this slave could muster(among other things) did not change bad habits(staying up too late, bad eating habits as well as other self-destructive behaviors)

one of the many things this slave admires about Master is the control He has of Himself. this slave would not presume to know better than He what is "good" for Him, much less resort to manipulation of Him. that presumption or need to manipulate seems to be something appropriate in the context of parent/toddler relationship. in this slave's relationship with Master, it would feel arrogant, underhanded and disrespectful.



INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/29/2004 10:06:40 AM)

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Are there situations when your duty to his/her well being surmounts your submission to his desires?

I have discussed in previous posts that I am currently dealing with serious health issues, there have been times when because I may have not been fully concious, my sub has taken control of situations.
I had a great deal of frustration in "not being Domly" when I am ill, but my sub has simply shown me that this is just another way of showing her service to me.



velvetvixen -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/29/2004 12:20:26 PM)

I don't think caring for your Master is manipulative. If you cook meals and make them healthy, I don't see the manipulation. If you rub his back or feet and that reminds him that he is tired, I can't see that as topping from the bottom. I know that Master goes without sleep for several days when he is studying and I will ask him to please sleep and offer to call at a certain time to wake him up. Sometimes he takes me up on it, sometimes he doesn't. I know that he also doesn't eat all the time when he studies, so I will appear with food, whether or not he eats it is his choice.

I guess it is how you are presenting the eating and sleeping issues. I know that if I just said "go to bed now" or "stop eating candy for dinner" not only would it be completely ineffective, it wouldn't go over so well.

Maybe this was rambling, if so all apologies.



perverseangelic -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/29/2004 1:48:30 PM)

I left the fact that my 'manipulation' is always polite and respectful unsaid. I figured it was kinda a given, y'know?

I don't expect my partner to perfect at all times. He has flaws and faults and sometimes forgets stuff that he should probably do. I honestly don't think that my reminding him to do them is a bad thing.

Too, I thought it was also a given, but my use of the word 'manipulation' was tounge in cheek, playing off the rule I quoted. I don't think that reminding someone it's 4 am and they have to give up the next morning can really be classed as manipulation.

quote:


one of the many things this slave admires about Master is the control He has of Himself. this slave would not presume to know better than He what is "good" for Him, much less resort to manipulation of Him. that presumption or need to manipulate seems to be something appropriate in the context of parent/toddler relationship. in this slave's relationship with Master, it would feel arrogant, underhanded and disrespectful.


I can respect and understand this. However, I think that sometimes an individual outside of one's own perspective -can- know what is good for someone better than they can themselves. That is, one is often so inmeshed in one's own perception one looses track of that which is going on outside. Sometimes someone who is not so intimatly invovled can see things which the individual him/herself does not.

Again, too, I don't expect my partner to be superhuman. He gets sick. When he's sick he needs me to act like a mom--"force" him to stay in bed, bring him soup, silly stuff. It makes him feel better, in those situations to have control (nominally) taken away from him such that he can be free to focus on recovering. (again, this is pretty much facetious. Neither of us really feel our positions to be changed. It's a fiction we maintain while he's sick because it makes him feel good) I don't think this makes me any less -his-. I am serving his needs, in this case, his need to be mommied.

Perhaps it's just that we're both in college, but I find that our relationship works well if we trade off being the "todler" when we need it. I admire him, because he knows when he needs to back off and let himself be taken care of. I don't see this as a flaw, rather as a pretty decent form of self-awarness, which I am glad to be able to fufill, y'know?



faithNZ -> RE: Submissive's Creed (11/29/2004 8:31:52 PM)

i am still learning about this lifestyle (but who isn't!) but the submissives creed i have found quite accurate and i hope that it will be of use to me in the future.



BeachMystress -> RE: Submissive's Creed (12/2/2004 6:16:36 PM)


Do you remember where you found it? I'd like to repost it somewhere and need to see if the original site needs credit.



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