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The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 1:04:01 PM   
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The Poor You Know

Its to bad that Jon Stewart is leaving the show. For a good many years he has told the facts and given the good evidence in a way that had made me laugh. That FOX 'news' segments have been torn into pieces by Mr. Stewart, should say to most people "Don't trust anything coming from FOX 'news'". As history shows, there are conservatives whom sill live in the demo-graph of 'Low Information Voter'.

FOX 'news' which is just the media division (and mouthpiece) of the GOP/TP has for years, if not decades, pushed all things positive with Republicans/Tea Party while diminishing anything coming from Democrats (including the President). Likewise placing the rich in the best possible terms, and the poor in the worst. When has FOX 'news' stated the facts of the Affordable Care Act? Only when it served the GOP/TP's interests. Since they and the GOP/TP knows the audience will never look up anything or check the facts, they cay mix those facts in with total bullshit.

But its been well known that FOX 'news' hates the poor. An wants the middle class to attack them, rather than defend them. Since the difference between the poor and the middle class have been steadily merging into one class as the 1% accumulates unprecedented power, money, and influence. That they (the 1%) can have hour long talks with members of Congress or even bankroll their operations just as long as they get kickbacks in return down the road. When was the last time any of us had a US Senator or Representative for an hour to chat on things? FOX 'news' has on many times tried to entice voters in the middle class to remove programs from the poor by focusing on a narrow strip of that population and then to say "that's how the majority of them behave". Time and again, its been shown they lie, but their conservative/libertarian viewers believe it like the holy bible.

So I ask the questions:

A ) Should the Middle Class help or hinder The Poor?
B ) Should The Poor have as much right to government as the Middle Class and Rich?
C ) Are the poor honestly represented in the federal government?
D ) Is Mr. Stewart stating facts and giving evidence?
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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 2:51:16 PM   
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Stewart has poked at Fox through satire pretty brilliantly but the 60-65% of the middle and poor together, need to start voting as a block or they are all in deep shit from here on out.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 4:56:21 PM   
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"And that gets us to a rather unique kind of liar, who uses new lies as a vehicle for recycling extremely damaging old lies. That unique liar, of course, is Jon Stewart, who pretends that his ideologically-driven news show interspersed with snark and dishonesty is, in fact, a comedy show impartially poking fun at the news.

Thankfully, Stewart is leaving his show this year, but he's still on the scene now and continues his solemn mission to protect Obama as long as he possibly can. To that end, just this past week, Stewart used his bully pulpit at The Daily Show to prevent his audience acolytes from asking a logical question: "If it's bad that Brian Williams lies, isn't it worse that Obama has been revealed yet again to be a serial and significant liar?"

Stewart effected this misdirection by explicitly tying William's lies, not to Obama's lies, but to George Bush. (You remember, of course, the Democrat Party mantra: "Bush lied, people died.") At the 3:55 mark in his puerile, punny, unfunny segment about Williams' lies, Stewart suddenly inserts that eleven-year-old attack on Bush:

Now this might seem like overkill, but for me, no, it's not overkill because I am happy. Finally, someone is being held to account for misleading America about the Iraq War. Finally. [Audience cheers loudly.] It might not necessarily be the first person you'd want held accountable on that list, but never again will Brian Williams mislead this great nation about being shot at in a war we probably wouldn't have ended up in if the media had applied this level of scrutiny to the actual f***ing war.

But you want to know what the really funny thing is about the that flabby, sneering Stewart shtick? Stewart is lying through his teeth when he accuses George W. Bush of lying about Iraq. In fact, George W. Bush was never anything but honest about Iraq. He relied on America's intelligence apparatus and that apparatus, as it does rather consistently about everything, got it wrong."

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/obama_and_progressivisms_bodyguard_of_lies.html

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 5:57:09 PM   
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http://www.thewrap.com/jon-stewart-admits-his-fox-news-facts-were-wrong-28469/



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On Tuesday's edition of "The Daily Show," the Comedy Central host admitted that the strongly worded statements he made about Fox News Channel viewers being "consistently misinformed" on his appearance on "Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace" may have been, well, misinformed. But then he turned his guns back on the network.




http://bernardgoldberg.com/jon-stewarts-legacy-comedy-not-truth/



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It doesn’t surprise me that Jon Stewart’s biggest fans over the years have been young people, the demographic that Bill O’Reilly once famously referred to, in an interview with Stewart, as “stoned slackers.” His comedy speaks to young people, as it once spoke to me. It’s silly and satirical and built off of caricatures, but Stewart’s quick wit and sharp delivery makes his words sound like wisdom to a generation that hasn’t quite acquired its own wisdom yet.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 6:14:10 PM   
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The only president(s) that didn't lie ? Anybody ? Now, of those that did and what it costs the country ? I rank W at the top and by a wide margin. Reagan could be next. Presidents do what they need to do...to stay alive.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 6:20:38 PM   
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Ya...right.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/25/2015 8:53:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

"And that gets us to a rather unique kind of liar, who uses new lies as a vehicle for recycling extremely damaging old lies. That unique liar, of course, is Jon Stewart, who pretends that his ideologically-driven news show interspersed with snark and dishonesty is, in fact, a comedy show impartially poking fun at the news.

Thankfully, Stewart is leaving his show this year, but he's still on the scene now and continues his solemn mission to protect Obama as long as he possibly can. To that end, just this past week, Stewart used his bully pulpit at The Daily Show to prevent his audience acolytes from asking a logical question: "If it's bad that Brian Williams lies, isn't it worse that Obama has been revealed yet again to be a serial and significant liar?"

Stewart effected this misdirection by explicitly tying William's lies, not to Obama's lies, but to George Bush. (You remember, of course, the Democrat Party mantra: "Bush lied, people died.") At the 3:55 mark in his puerile, punny, unfunny segment about Williams' lies, Stewart suddenly inserts that eleven-year-old attack on Bush:

Now this might seem like overkill, but for me, no, it's not overkill because I am happy. Finally, someone is being held to account for misleading America about the Iraq War. Finally. [Audience cheers loudly.] It might not necessarily be the first person you'd want held accountable on that list, but never again will Brian Williams mislead this great nation about being shot at in a war we probably wouldn't have ended up in if the media had applied this level of scrutiny to the actual f***ing war.

But you want to know what the really funny thing is about the that flabby, sneering Stewart shtick? Stewart is lying through his teeth when he accuses George W. Bush of lying about Iraq. In fact, George W. Bush was never anything but honest about Iraq. He relied on America's intelligence apparatus and that apparatus, as it does rather consistently about everything, got it wrong."

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/obama_and_progressivisms_bodyguard_of_lies.html



You need some original thought, and try some water to wash down the kool-aid. Your post quotes your link.

Your link is more kool-aid and propaganda.

From your link:

The intelligence community’s 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) stated, in a formal presentation to President Bush and to Congress, its view that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction—a belief in which the NIE said it held a 90% level of confidence. That is about as certain as the intelligence community gets on any subject.

First of all, show me where the NIE says 90% certainty. If I am not mistaken, the 90% certainty was made up by John Yoo in his book. Secondly, the statement makes no sense. The NIE is a document. How can a document state ANYTHING in a formal presentation? Does it jump off the table and give its own summary of itself?

Thirdly, the redacted version of the NIE redacts ALL of the dissenting opinions.

Let's listen to John McLaughlin, Deputy CIA Director:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/themes/nie.html

.. It was a document that contained, in my judgment, more grist for debate than people understand. If you added up the number of pages in it that contained alternative views or dissenting opinions, it would probably come to at least 10, some say 15, depending on who you count as a dissenter. While it was clear in its conclusions about Saddam possessing chemical and biological weapons, there were dissents clearly expressed on the nuclear program.

The State Department dissented in a major way, and the Department of Energy, it is not often realized, had three full pages of dissents on the role of aluminum tubes, expressing the skepticism that they were intended for centrifuge and therefore for uranium enrichment. There were dissents also on things like the potential for unmanned aerial vehicles [UAVs] to be used for disseminating biological weapons. The Air Force expressed that dissent and dissents on other issues.


Not to mention, the White Paper which was created (by the National Intelligence Council (the neo-con wing of the intelligence community), which was supposed to be the final word.) Bush didn't want an NIE because, they would have to include dissenting opinions (which of course were redacted in the original release)

It still boggles the mind, that even today, people still believe the "Bush didn't lie. It was faulty intelligence" myth.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 3:32:39 AM   
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What's wrong CreativeDominant? No ability to think for yourself? Must search the web for someone to say something about 'lies', 'John Stewart', and 'FOX'? Your author got many things wrong. To bad your not aware of why or how.....

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
"And that gets us to a rather unique kind of liar, who uses new lies as a vehicle for recycling extremely damaging old lies. That unique liar, of course, is Jon Stewart, who pretends that his ideologically-driven news show interspersed with snark and dishonesty is, in fact, a comedy show impartially poking fun at the news.


Sad thing is, that Jon Stewart and most of reality understand that the Daily Show is about comedy. The only ones that do not understand this are those in the 'Low Information Voter' group. That the show is on...COMEDY CENTRAL....should be the first clue that the show has....COMEDY....somewhere in the concept. That your author can not figure that concept out, shows the limits of their ability to handle reality...

...Just like FOX 'news'!

An where does Mr. Stewart lie in the presentation that I have in the OP from this article? That's right there isnt one for two reasons: The first are the dates. Your author's piece was created months before the Jon Stewart presentation. Second, I can find the information Mr. Stewart used with some research. Not to hard of a process. One simply goes to a place called a 'library' and searches through 'recent historical documents' (aka the newspaper). That you nor your author can do this, says something.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Thankfully, Stewart is leaving his show this year, but he's still on the scene now and continues his solemn mission to protect Obama as long as he possibly can. To that end, just this past week, Stewart used his bully pulpit at The Daily Show to prevent his audience acolytes from asking a logical question: "If it's bad that Brian Williams lies, isn't it worse that Obama has been revealed yet again to be a serial and significant liar?"


Who is to say Mr. Stewart doesn't have something lined up? Or another show that does the same thing, but in a different format from the current? Conservatives are happy, since they have been getting rightly bashed for over a decade on all the stupid, hateful, ignorant bullshit they have done. An he has pointed it out with a smile.

However, your author is incorrect that Mr. Stewart is leaving. If Donald Trump becomes President, he'll stick around. Not that 'The Donald' has a snowball's chance in hell....

If we were to hold up FOX 'news' and all the other forms of communication by conservatives and libertarians to "The Brian Williams' standard (conservative talk radio for example); then it would be fair to say all of them would be silenced for the rest of eternity. To bad these people can not hold up to that level of integrity, right? Or are you going to tell me that Jade Helm 15 REALLY IS a secret military take over of Texas by the Obama administration to remove those people of their guns and bibles, placing them in FEMA camps for re-education?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Stewart effected this misdirection by explicitly tying William's lies, not to Obama's lies, but to George Bush. (You remember, of course, the Democrat Party mantra: "Bush lied, people died.") At the 3:55 mark in his puerile, punny, unfunny segment about Williams' lies, Stewart suddenly inserts that eleven-year-old attack on Bush:


Mr. George W. Bush DID lie to America. How much did Bush promise to do and fail?. That you, nor your author can handle reality is sort of the point of this thread. Mr. Bush lied all over the place. On spending, to nation building, and then over to those 'Massive Stockpiles' of 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'. He and his administration tried to lie and say that waterboarding someone is just 'enhanced interrogation techniques'. NO FUCKING WAY! That is....TORTURE. For someone on a BDSM website, I would expect at the very least for you to understand the difference between SM and torture.

To bad he wasn't impeached. Between Clinton and him, he deserved it tenfold!

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
But you want to know what the really funny thing is about the that flabby, sneering Stewart shtick? Stewart is lying through his teeth when he accuses George W. Bush of lying about Iraq. In fact, George W. Bush was never anything but honest about Iraq. He relied on America's intelligence apparatus and that apparatus, as it does rather consistently about everything, got it wrong."


If Mr. Bush did not lie about the primary reasons for getting us into the war; then it should be easy for you and others to point out on a map, down to the square milometer, the location of every WMD (nuclear, biological, and yes, chemical) found in Iraq. And that it has to be enough to be caleld 'massive stockpiles'. Now I consider 'massive stockpiles' enough to fill six Wal-Mart Super Stores up to the brim!

Also , Mr. Bush lied about getting Osama. He couldn't care if Osama was dead or sitting on a beach in the Caribbean. He wanted to kill Saddam for trying to kill his father. So he needed an excuse to invade and hunt him down.

An where was the accountability and responsibility with power? Isn't that something all you conservatives and libertarians bitch about with President Obama? That you hate all the executive privileges Mr. Obama was using, but are totally silent when Mr. Bush was doing the same thing! If you dont hold the people you vote and support to the same level of accountability and responsibility as you bash the other party; why should anyone take you seriously?

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 3:45:56 AM   
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Sad thing is, that Jon Stewart and most of reality understand that the Daily Show is about comedy. The only ones that do not understand this are those in the 'Low Information Voter' group. That the show is on...COMEDY CENTRAL....should be the first clue that the show has....COMEDY....somewhere in the concept. That your author can not figure that concept out, shows the limits of their ability to handle reality...

...Just like FOX 'news'!



Well that would certainly explain all the left wing nuts I have heard quoting him like he is speaking the gospel. Thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 3:56:47 AM   
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apart from that I wish joether would learn the difference between "whom" and "who," I don't think for a moment he gives a rip about intellectual integrity or honesty.

the constant, unsupported and blind fox news bashing ("its been well known fox news hates the poor") is embarrassingly infantile.

and joether, the revelation that you understand jon stewart and the daily show as sources of news (the comedy notwithstanding), should further disqualify you from serious consideration.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 4:16:52 AM   
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I have said this before on this very topic I believe---in order to state unequivocally that someone has lied, you need to provide evidence of that they absolutely knew the truth ahead of time but decided to tell something completely contrary to it.

as no one in American was in the position to know everything, in this instance, "dissenting opinions" do not qualify as "the truth."

you can believe George bush lied, you can state as an opinion he lied, but as you cannot present conclusive evidence that he did, you cannot simply say "George bush lied about wmd's."

and in fairness then, you should hold the same opinion of all the democrats who had access to the same information he did and supported the conclusion, and the decision.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 4:26:23 AM   
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Amazing that one can spout illiteracies about the Hilarygate, Benghazi, fema camps, lefties are the same as jihadists, etc etc ad nauseam
and then claim that you cant say someone lied unless you have the truth before you.
Utter cobblers

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 4:55:51 AM   
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I have said this before on this very topic I believe---in order to state unequivocally that someone has lied, you need to provide evidence of that they absolutely knew the truth ahead of time but decided to tell something completely contrary to it.

as no one in American was in the position to know everything, in this instance, "dissenting opinions" do not qualify as "the truth."

you can believe George bush lied, you can state as an opinion he lied, but as you cannot present conclusive evidence that he did, you cannot simply say "George bush lied about wmd's."

and in fairness then, you should hold the same opinion of all the democrats who had access to the same information he did and supported the conclusion, and the decision.


Here is a map of Iraq:



Please give me the Latitude and Longitude (down to the nanosecond) of the location of each WMD found in Iraq. Particularly those nuclear ones, we were all told Iraq had! But dont forget the biological or chemical WMDs Cheney and others stated were in 'massive stockpiles', ok?

A nanosecond on maps, is like measuring the average American house not in square feet, but square milometers!

If the Bush administration didn't lie, this list should be a cake walk, right? Enough to fill six Wal-Mart Super Stores to the brim worth of evidence, right?

If he didn't lie, produce the locations of those nukes....

How about you comment with an argument and supporting evidences to the facts?

I find it insulting that the Bush Administration talked to the 9/11 Commision behind closed doors, off the record, not under oath, nor anything made public of their 'hearing'.

Maybe you can clarrify some of these lies with facts and evidence? Since the Republican controlled-Congress impeached one US President for lying about an affair, while giving the Republican one a total pass for lying.....

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 5:28:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

I have said this before on this very topic I believe---in order to state unequivocally that someone has lied, you need to provide evidence of that they absolutely knew the truth ahead of time but decided to tell something completely contrary to it.

as no one in American was in the position to know everything, in this instance, "dissenting opinions" do not qualify as "the truth."

you can believe George bush lied, you can state as an opinion he lied, but as you cannot present conclusive evidence that he did, you cannot simply say "George bush lied about wmd's."

and in fairness then, you should hold the same opinion of all the democrats who had access to the same information he did and supported the conclusion, and the decision.




Your post is 100% correct. (except for the last paragraph). Congress had access to the NIE, and were briefed by Bush-approved members of the CIA. (A summary of intelligence). They did not have access to day-to-day tactical intelligence.

In any case, the author of CD's link is clearly disingenuous and a fraud.

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RE: The Poor You Know! - 6/26/2015 5:30:07 AM   
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Its American Thinker....which in this "authors" case is an oxymoron without compare

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