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cloudboy -> Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 5:00:03 PM)
Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 • WASHINGTON — In the 14 years since Al Qaeda carried out attacks on New York and the Pentagon, extremists have regularly executed smaller lethal assaults in the United States, explaining their motives in online manifestoes or social media rants. But the breakdown of extremist ideologies behind those attacks may come as a surprise. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims: 48 have been killed by extremists who are not Muslim, including the recent mass killing in Charleston, S.C., compared with 26 by self-proclaimed jihadists, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center. • If such numbers are new to the public, they are familiar to police officers. A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University. • “There’s an acceptance now of the idea that the threat from jihadi terrorism in the United States has been overblown,” Dr. Horgan said. “And there’s a belief that the threat of right-wing, antigovernment violence has been underestimated.” http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

bounty44 -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 5:21:45 PM)
i have about as much respect for your critical thinking skills as I do a few of your comrades, so I am reluctant to reply to your post here but that said... the point of your post is what exactly? also, how is "anti-government" necessarily "right-wing?" and what---as if conservatives and libertarians are in support of mass murder??

subrob1967 -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 5:39:07 PM)
FR I wonder how many black on black shootings the NYT's is ignoring to present this biased bullshit statistic.

Kirata -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 5:48:28 PM)
I'll agree that it is probably worth keeping a closer eye on some of these violent domestic fringe groups. I suspect they've been more successful mainly because of our intense preoccupation and focus on tracking and stopping Jihadis. But I'm not sure the the following claim from your link is accurate: “There’s an acceptance now of the idea that the threat from jihadi terrorism in the United States has been overblown,” Dr. Horgan said. Accepted by who? House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced In This Country’ WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee warns that America is dealing with “the highest threat level we have ever faced in this country...” FBI Rounding Up Islamic State Suspects The FBI has been rounding up more potential "lone wolf" terrorists, Congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State. Since the thwarted attack on a "Draw Muhammad" conference in Garland, Texas, on May 3, the Justice Department has announced the arrests of 10 individuals it says were inspired by and supporting the Islamic State. The lawmakers say there have been more arrests that have not yet been announced. They say the FBI has shifted its approach toward arrests rather than keeping suspects under surveillance, and is also targeting individuals thought to be planning attacks in the U.S., unlike the bureau's past focus on volunteers preparing to join ISIS's fight abroad. "Lately, we have seen an uptick in the number of arrests of ISIL followers who were planning violent acts in our homeland," said John Carlin, the assistant attorney general for national security. "ISIL, differing from some other foreign terrorist organizations, has demonstrated that they see value in mobilizing sympathizers anywhere in the world." K.

cloudboy -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 8:24:21 PM)
The real crisis in America is White-on-White shootings. The majority of white homicides in the USA are committed by White Perpetrators. It's a real outrage. No one is discussing it.

Real0ne -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 11:16:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy The real crisis in America is White-on-White shootings. The majority of white homicides in the USA are committed by White Perpetrators. It's a real outrage. No one is discussing it. I have long pointed out, "Will the real terrorists please stand up" Killed by Police had listed more than 1,450 deaths caused by law-enforcement officers since its launch, on May 1, 2013, through Sunday. That works out to about three per day, or 1,100 a year. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/another-much-higher-count-of-police-homicides/ and More than one in every five people killed so far in 2015 – 108, or 21.6% – were unarmed. A significant disparity in the proportion of black and white people killed who were unarmed, which was reported last week by the Guardian, has since narrowed slightly. While 30.5% of black people killed were unarmed, 16.1% of white people killed had no weapon. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/10/the-counted-500-people-killed-by-police-2015

joether -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 11:19:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 i have about as much respect for your critical thinking skills as I do a few of your comrades, so I am reluctant to reply to your post here but that said... You? Critical thinking skills? Yeah, and I'm also a multi-millionaire..... You have shown time and again that you lack any real critical thinking skills. You don't even know how to acquire them! quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the point of your post is what exactly? The 'point' is easy for anyone with critical thinking skills. That non-Muslims whom are also right wingers conduct mroe violence onto Americans than any other group. That law enforcement knows about this all to well, should be a clue that the information is correct. quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 also, how is "anti-government" necessarily "right-wing?" They tend to vote Republican when there is not a Tea Party option on the ticket. None of these people would be caught dead or alive on the left wing, nor accused of being liberal. Therefore, by logic, they are on the right wing. quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 and what---as if conservatives and libertarians are in support of mass murder?? You support firearms being totally easy to acquire, right? You dislike tight regulations on firearms, right? That comes with a price tag in body bags filled with dead US Citizens. That with all the evidence, and knowledge that critical thinking skills allows, you have no idea of the connect. But dont worry, time and human nature/behavior is on my side. Eventually if we as a nation do not alter the course we are on, the 2nd will get revoked. Unfortunately most right wingers do not have the brain power or ability to understand the current path nor how to alter to a better course.

Real0ne -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 11:26:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I'll agree that it is probably worth keeping a closer eye on some of these violent domestic fringe groups. I suspect they've been more successful mainly because of our intense preoccupation and focus on tracking and stopping Jihadis. But I'm not sure the the following claim from your link is accurate: “There’s an acceptance now of the idea that the threat from jihadi terrorism in the United States has been overblown,” Dr. Horgan said. Accepted by who? House Intel Committee Chair: US Is At ‘The Highest Threat Level We Have Ever Faced In This Country’ WASHINGTON (CBSDC/AP) — The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee warns that America is dealing with “the highest threat level we have ever faced in this country...” FBI Rounding Up Islamic State Suspects The FBI has been rounding up more potential "lone wolf" terrorists, Congressional leaders and the Justice Department say, in response to the perception of a mounting threat of domestic attacks inspired by the Islamic State. Since the thwarted attack on a "Draw Muhammad" conference in Garland, Texas, on May 3, the Justice Department has announced the arrests of 10 individuals it says were inspired by and supporting the Islamic State. The lawmakers say there have been more arrests that have not yet been announced. They say the FBI has shifted its approach toward arrests rather than keeping suspects under surveillance, and is also targeting individuals thought to be planning attacks in the U.S., unlike the bureau's past focus on volunteers preparing to join ISIS's fight abroad. "Lately, we have seen an uptick in the number of arrests of ISIL followers who were planning violent acts in our homeland," said John Carlin, the assistant attorney general for national security. "ISIL, differing from some other foreign terrorist organizations, has demonstrated that they see value in mobilizing sympathizers anywhere in the world." K. Hmm.... we have moved from a legal system of innocent till proven guilty to convinction on suspicion. They say the FBI has shifted its approach toward arrests rather than keeping suspects under surveillance, and is also targeting individuals thought to be planning attacks in the U.S., PRE CRIME-THOUGHT POLICE-Tom Cruise Minority Report is a 2002 American neo-noir science fiction film directed by Steven Spielberg and loosely based on the short story "The Minority Report" by Philip K. Dick. It is set primarily in Washington, D.C., and Northern Virginia in the year 2054, where "PreCrime", a specialized police department, apprehends criminals based on foreknowledge provided by three psychics called "precogs". The cast includes Tom Cruise as PreCrime captain John Anderton, Colin Farrell as Department of Justice agent Danny Witwer, Samantha Morton as the senior precog Agatha, and Max von Sydow as Anderton's superior Lamar Burgess. The film is a combination of whodunit, thriller and science fiction.[2] MORE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_Report_%28film%29

Real0ne -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/26/2015 11:32:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether You support firearms being totally easy to acquire, right? You dislike tight regulations on firearms, right? That comes with a price tag in body bags filled with dead US Citizens. That with all the evidence, and knowledge that critical thinking skills allows, you have no idea of the connect. Seems like no fire arms comes with a high price tag in body count too Joe. quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne More than one in every five people killed so far in 2015 – 108, or 21.6% – were unarmed. A significant disparity in the proportion of black and white people killed who were unarmed, which was reported last week by the Guardian, has since narrowed slightly. While 30.5% of black people killed were unarmed, 16.1% of white people killed had no weapon. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/10/the-counted-500-people-killed-by-police-2015 So what do you feel we should we think about that?

JVoV -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 1:58:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Hmm.... we have moved from a legal system of innocent till proven guilty to convinction on suspicion. They say the FBI has shifted its approach toward arrests rather than keeping suspects under surveillance, and is also targeting individuals thought to be planning attacks in the U.S., PRE CRIME-THOUGHT POLICE-Tom Cruise You lost me. The FBI is arresting people suspected of planning & plotting terrorist acts. There are actions involved in planning, plotting, conspiring, and preparing such attacks. Not just thoughts. Otherwise, I'd be Force-choking the shit outta people regularly.

Real0ne -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 5:34:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne Hmm.... we have moved from a legal system of innocent till proven guilty to convinction on suspicion. They say the FBI has shifted its approach toward arrests rather than keeping suspects under surveillance, and is also targeting individuals thought to be planning attacks in the U.S., PRE CRIME-THOUGHT POLICE-Tom Cruise You lost me. The FBI is arresting people suspected of planning & plotting terrorist acts. There are actions involved in planning, plotting, conspiring, and preparing such attacks. Not just thoughts. Otherwise, I'd be Force-choking the shit outta people regularly. I assume you read the article so Im not sure where the confusion is? Since the thwarted attack on a "Draw Muhammad" conference in Garland, Texas, on May 3, the Justice Department has announced the arrests of 10 individuals it says were inspired by and supporting the Islamic State. In almost all of the FBI's recent terrorism arrests, the suspects are charged with providing material support for a terrorist group, a catch-all charge that can mean ANYTHING<<--my Emphasis providing travel documents and cash to would-be terrorists or trying to recruit new adherents. Despite the increase in arrests and the government's more aggressive actions to quash online incitement at earlier stages, many in Washington believe that the threat from the Islamic State is only growing and that there's just no way America's law enforcement and intelligence agencies can keep pace. its easy in court when they can pick people off, violating their rights one by one. Here I will give you an example of UNCHECKED domestic terrorism. FBI terrorists among us: 1993 WTC Bombing The mind-boggling role of the Bureau by Jon Rappoport July 29, 2014 www.nomorefakenews.com There seems to be a rule: if a terror attack takes place and the FBI investigates it, things are never what they seem. Federal attorney Andrew C McCarthy prosecuted the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing case. A review of his book, Willful Blindness, states: “For the first time, McCarthy intimately reveals the real story behind the FBI’s inability to stop the first World Trade Center bombing even though the bureau had an undercover informant in the operation — the jihadists’ supposed bombmaker. “In the first sentence of his hard-hitting account, the author sums up the lawyerly — but staggeringly incomprehensive — reason why the FBI pulled its informant out of the terrorist group even as plans were coming to a head on a major attack: “’Think of the liability!’ “The first rule for government attorneys in counterintelligence in the 1990s was, McCarthy tells us, ‘Avoid accountable failure.’ Thus, when the situation demanded action, the feds copped a CYA posture, the first refuge of the bureaucrat.” That’s a titanic accusation, coming from a former federal prosecutor. Yes, the FBI had an informant inside the group that was planning the 1993 WTC bombing that eventually, on February 26, killed 6 people and injured 1042. His name is Emad Salem, a former Egyptian Army officer. Present whereabouts unknown. Yanking Salem out of the group planning the Bombing was a devastating criminal act on the part of the FBI. But there is more to the story. On October 28, 1993, Ralph Blumenthal wrote a piece about Emad Salem for the New York Times: “Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast.” It began: “Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer [Emad Salem] said after the blast.” Continuing: “The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad A. Salem, should be used, the informer [Emad] said.” The FBI called the “plan” off, but left the planners to their own devices. No “harmless powder.” Instead, real explosives. The Times article goes on: “The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings Mr. Salem secretly made [taped recordings] of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as in a far better position than previously known to foil the Feb. 26 bombing of New York City’s tallest towers.” This is a shockingly strong opening for an article in the NY Times. It focuses on the testimony of the informant; it seems to take his side. Several years after reporter Blumenthal wrote the above piece, I spoke with him and expressed my amazement at the revelations about the FBI—and wondered whether the Times had continued to investigate the scandal. Blumenthal wasn’t pleased, to say the least. He said I misunderstood the article. I mentioned the fact that Emad Salem wasn’t called as a prosecution witness in the 1993 WTC Bombing trial. Of course, why would the Dept. of Justice bring Salem to the stand? Would they want him to blame the FBI for letting/abetting the Bombing? Again, Blumenthal told me I “didn’t understand.” He became angry and that was the end of the conversation. I remember thinking: Is there anything under the sun the FBI can be held accountable for…because letting the bomb plot go forward…what else do you need for a criminal prosecution of the Bureau? https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/fbi-terrorists-among-us-the-1993-wtc-bombing/ The author was being kind, since so called law-enforcement officials actually assisted as in aided and abetted in the both the plot and supplied materials. Salem expected they would put in fake powder but they supplied real powder instead. Its perfectly clear that the greatest domestic terror threat is the government and their agencies. Forgot this NBC news report with Dan Rather reporting what I just said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwC0pHIIMMI and 1993 World Trade Center An FBI Setup - Ted Gunderson Anthony J Hilder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_H_niMrjAI That said I agree that we do have a domestic terrorist problem. So what do you find confusing?

Real0ne -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 6:01:49 AM)
I can explain it further if need be. They [the gubmint] is using a high level psychological technique that plays against the "nature" of people known as the hegelian dialectic. In other words: If person 'a' just invented a splint (the solution) and wanted to make some quick easy money, all they need do is create a situation where someone stomps on the foot [the problem] of person 'b'. Through synthesis person 'b' seeing the 'offered' solution becomes an unwitting puppet of person 'a', in this case the gubmint who supplies the problem and the solution and people unwittingly/unthinkingly or uninformedly support the gubmint agenda that always has mountains of strings attached that invariably violate the rights of citizens while they are traumatized then later become policy imbedded in stone. Does that help explain how 'advanced' level domestic terrorism works? Maybe this explanation is better? The Hegelian Dialectic The Anti-Human Principle U.S. Pavlovian Conditioning The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. 1) The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. 2) The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). 3) The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two. You will also see pro-government trolls on various forums operating toward the same ends in text. Its all around us all the time. [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/statism/hegel.gif[/image]

MercTech -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 6:04:31 AM)
The best way to control a population that doesn't agree with you is to make them criminals. Since "terrorist" was re-fdefined so that any act of dissent against the government is a "terrorist act"; just bitching about taxes can get you labeled.

Real0ne -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 6:57:59 AM)
Its my mainstay complaint! They categorized and defined the citizenry of this country exercising their right to free speech enemies of the state. BUT: Not before making it nearly impossible or so outlandishly expensive for citizens to defend themselves in court, its no longer in reach of the average person. So people who disagree with anything they do are forced to STFU bend over and take it dry. Those who speak out are criminals, or put on watch lists. Worse the hoards of political propaganda whores (often hired by the government themselves) are out here trying to sell the programs and convince everyone that all is well fine and dandy. I think I told you guys a story about someone who asked me what they could do about a simple traffic ticket in which the officer gave them a ticket for loud muffler and I was shocked! First when I heard the muffler the after measuring with a decibel meter was quieter than the quietest factory muffled motorcycle and only slightly louder than a vehicle of the same vintage with a stock muffler. That was the beginning. Then to add gas to the fire....after opening my yap with "that should be an easy one to beat", NOT! I spent about 3 hours reading case law and they [the courts] have given the officer judicial power and eliminated any defense....long story short....by numerous narrow rulings that included one case where the guy proved his muffler was in good condition and stock factory original and the court of appeals did NOT overturn the lack of probable cause complaint, insuring the police retain their god-like judge jury and executioner power. You see the courts rule this planet, not the politicians. They always have.

Kirata -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 1:21:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The 'point' is easy for anyone with critical thinking skills. That non-Muslims whom are also right wingers conduct mroe violence onto Americans than any other group. Since Sept. 11, 2001, nearly twice as many people have been killed by white supremacists, antigovernment fanatics and other non-Muslim extremists than by radical Muslims. K.

bounty44 -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 1:41:15 PM)
apart from misreading/misunderstanding the op, the penguins logic is jaw droppingly stunning: that homegrown extremists are right wing because they tend to vote republican. and apart from how specious that is, i'll look forward to seeing their names on the voter registration rolls and gee itd be helpful to see their ballots too while we are at it... also, I wish he'd get to work on that whom/who thing...

bounty44 -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 2:09:32 PM)
I agree with kirata's question very early on: "accepted by who?" and that said, though the headline here isn't entirely true, and it mingles some of the information from the op with other information, and its not completely up to date. it still might be worth sharing for the comrades here. "Why are all Mass Murderers Democrats?" quote: Well, most of them anyway: Now you can add Elliot Rodger – the next in a long line of mass murderers with mass murder on their minds: THE LIST: – Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim. – Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – black liberal/Obama voter – Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat. – James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occupy guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians. – Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter. – Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat – James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat. – Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist. dem mass murder – Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists. – Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists. http://joeforamerica.com/2014/05/mass-murderers-democrats/

Lucylastic -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 2:23:42 PM)
ahuh ahuh that is righteous truth right there my friend...JOE for AMERICA.... woot fucking Joe the plumber!!!!! go read the comments they are bleeding hysterical until you realise those idiots actually exist.

bounty44 -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 2:23:51 PM)
this from the same site (a little overlap, but still): quote: **In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States . In 1881 a left wing radical Democrat shot James Garfield, President of the United States who later died from the wound. In 1963 a radical left wing socialist shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States . In 1975 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States . In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan, President of the United States . In 1984 James Hubert, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant. In 1986 Patrick Sherrill, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office. In 1990 James Pough, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office. In 1991 George Hennard, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 23 people in a Luby’s cafeteria in Killeen, TX . In 1995 James Daniel Simpson, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory. In 1999 Larry Asbrook, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 8 people at a church service. In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US . In 2003 Douglas Williams, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people at a Lockheed Martin plant. In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung – Hui Cho, shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech. In 2010 a registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner, shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killed 6 others. In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes, went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people. In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger, a disgruntled Democrat, shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis. In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza, shot and killed 26 people in a school in Newtown, CT. **As recently as Sept 2013, an angry Democrat shot 12 at a Navy ship yard. Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns. Not one NRA member, Tea Party member, or Republican conservative was involved in any of these shootings and murders. and so the "point" comrades, is that it looks like the left are the ones with the murdering moniker more accurately in their camp. and so the real question is, is there a relationship between social/political persuasion and extreme, mass and political violence? or is it just coincidence...over and over and over?

bounty44 -> RE: Homegrown Extremists Tied to Deadlier Toll Than Jihadists in U.S. Since 9/11 (6/27/2015 2:53:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy The real crisis in America is White-on-White shootings. The majority of white homicides in the USA are committed by White Perpetrators. It's a real outrage. No one is discussing it. if there are more white on white shootings its because there are more white people in the country. the real question is who, blacks or whites, commits violence at a rate higher in proportion to population.

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