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shigglyboom -> RE: How important is fear? (7/24/2006 7:28:19 PM)

Noah, what an extraordinarily lovely way of responding to what was indeed a rather boneheaded question.[:)] Thank you.

I'm not used to being caught short by lack of imagination, so I had thought this was a "I don't get it cuz it's a big mystery" kind of situation. When I play out your parachute metaphor, though, I see how it's just one of those rude "I don't get it cuz >>it's not MY kink!" questions.

If anyone has been offended by my clumsiness, please forgive me.

I hope to go parachuting someday... since I don't have a phobia of heights, I don't anticipate being scared so much as apprehensive and nervous and excited. (Ok, a tiny bit scared).

My former D/s relationship, and I hope my future one, calmed me. All the typical scary things in life were less scary when I was owned. So if I went parachuting with my Dom, I'd expect to feel less agitation - though certainly not none - and more excitement.

{This message brought to you by DomsRUs, enhancing the flavor of all of life's adventures.[;)]}

Now if my Dom, once we were up on the plane, chose to convince me that he'd arranged to drop me in the middle of the ocean and I was about to die, of course I'd be terrorized. But to convince me of that, he'd have to completely convince me that I'd made a fatal mistake in trusting him, and I don't reach conclusions lightly. If I lived to see the ground, I'd be out of there. I can't imagine trusting him again.

But I can see that that has to do with the fabric of my belief in someone, and everyone's fabric is different. A rip that would be devastating for me may be all in a day's fun for others who are more flexible than me, just as my fabric will be impervious to the rips or moths that destroy others. And I can see that maybe when one's been in a relationship over time, the fabric gets stronger and the rips aren't as bad... something I haven't had the gift of trying yet.

Thank you for the insight.




popeye1250 -> RE: How important is fear? (7/24/2006 7:42:49 PM)

Shiggly, no, you're doing good!
Now what's the thing with some people and Clowns. I don't get that, Clowns are funny not scary!
I know a guy, big, tough, used to be a Marine, former Prison Guard, he's afraid of "Retards!"




shigglyboom -> RE: How important is fear? (7/24/2006 10:00:18 PM)

Thanks Popeye. Is it okay to call you "Pops"? [;)]




popeye1250 -> RE: How important is fear? (7/24/2006 10:02:39 PM)

Sure!




stanton -> RE: How important is fear? (7/25/2006 7:29:36 AM)

Fun fear is cool.
Real horror is not.

Good luck be safe




Jnj -> RE: How important is fear? (7/25/2006 2:38:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: shigglyboom

I'm wondering - among the masters here, how important is fear play to you? (By this I'm referring not to a sub's anticipation or dread of what's coming, but actual fear.) What about it does or doesn't appeal? Do you find the majority of subs you encounter want this, tolerate it, or count it among their hard limits? How does this not erode a foundation of trust?


Hi Shig,

I am not a Master, but I am going to answer anyway :)

Fear is very important to my owner and myself.  The majority of our scenes revolve around fear play.  I'm defining fear play here as a scene with the purpose of creating apprehension or terror in the bottom.

The appeal for Jim and I comes in several parts.  He finds it gives him a level of control that is difficult to accomplish in other forms of scening, he enjoys seeing me terrified, and becomes aroused when I beg, scream, cry, conjole, try to negotiate, etc.  Seeing me in fear makes him feel like an alpha dog.

I personally enjoy fear -- real fear, and am able to experience it during scening.  It makes my pussy wet, makes me feel both submissive and feral at the same time, and gives me a glimpse into a portion of myself that is less civilized and more reactionary.  Fear play allows me to explore nasty emotions in a relatively safe environment.

It is absolutely possible for fear play to erode the level of trust, even between seasoned partners who know each other's reactions well. If you are going to play with fear, you have to accept that, be on the look out for it, and vow to work hard to fear what your partner is doing, and not your partner.  During the scene, this is easy.  When Jim has a gun in my mouth, I'm not thinking about him, I'm thinking about the gun.  The difficulty comes after the scene -- you must reassure yourself that you asked for it, you grew from it, and in the end, you weren't emotionally/physically damaged beyond repair.   I enjoy it, so those reassurances are easy to make to myself, but for someone who is doing it to please their Master, I can see that it would be difficult to not equate intense terror to being untrustworthy. 

Jerith




Mercnbeth -> RE: How important is fear? (7/25/2006 3:04:20 PM)

Very important.

I enjoy and relish my slave's fear of activities I put her through, the implements I use on her, and the "mind-fucks" I inflict on her. Although I make sure her desire and anticipation of the experience exceeds those fears. I enjoy seeing the fear in her eyes when I make her beg for what she fears.

Before she experienced any intensity regarding any of those things my goal was to eliminate any fear of me. Only when the fear of me was gone did she become my slave. If she ever loses the fear of some of the activities I'll amend my technique or think of new ones.




popeye1250 -> RE: How important is fear? (7/25/2006 5:13:09 PM)

I think there's different types of "fear" as well.
When I have a sub tied down spreadeagled to the bed and gagged I like to tease her a bit about what I'm going to do to her.
A lot of times I'll leave the room for a while to "let her think about it."
She really doesn't know what I have planned for her.
And I like to leave whatever it is I plan on using on her to torture her on the bed beside her so she can see it. (or them.)
I find fear of not knowing what's going to happen to her, or of not knowing what I'm going to do to her, a very big turn-on for subs and me of course.
And I always use restraining methods that she cannot possibly get out of on her own.




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