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Real0ne -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/4/2015 12:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer This looks only slightly less plausible than the 'They're Going to Ban Christmas!' one. They should ban stupidity, and those gullible enough to take it in. Dont any of you Republicans check any facts or do you just continue to read and whats worse spread any bullshit you can find. Doesn't even a crotchety liberal like you get the idea that most of us get the idea that its a heads-up? And most of us can read that in the article. Why is it you can't? Btw...if they do ban stupidity, what do you suppose they'll do with you? It`s more of the same right-wing anti government bull shit narrative ...... Which is a main cause of right-wing terrorism in the US. The only dicks who hate our government more are the jihadis. give em a roomate?

Real0ne -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/4/2015 12:46:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech Regrettably, my experience with the EPA is that the agency is full of political appointees making rules with no understanding of science or engineering. They worry about the 4th decimal place when readings are with equipment only reliable to two. Way too many working with the EPA who seem to go by "This is the policy. Don't confuse me with facts." Anyway... fireworks trivia... Firework displays were introduced and encouraged as a safety measure during the Centennial Celebration of 1876. This was to discourage the discharge of firearms into the are as was customary in celebration of Independence Day. unfortunately the whole of government operates that way. if people would spend only a few hours reading some of these statutes they would go away in shock.

NorthernGent -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/4/2015 2:59:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm in Italy in September, including Rome, so if I bump into these blokes I'll offer them all a handshake. Mind you, they don't seem to be overly concerned with holding hands and generally having a cuddle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXf-KJvUf8 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FVIqSTJK6I you have some cultural advices, don't forget to say everyone "your sister" with that gesture, and yes it's socially required to touch your genitals in any dangerouse situation and whenever an ambulance passes near to you. No bother, Eulero. I plan on conforming to every possible cultural norm, including adhering to the no H custom, except I won't be learning a word of Italian. So, I'll be living hand to mouth. Anyway, best to leave this one here because even the usually mild-mannered Joether has lost his rag over someone not taking the 4th July seriously! Can I just say, though, we're going to Florence, Naples, Rome. Can't wait to see Florence in particular. Not so bothered about Rome but a few of our group insisted on us going there. Never been to Italy so really looking forward to it.

MercTech -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/4/2015 3:51:19 PM)
What I don't see is any sort of correlation between ozone and barbecues or fireworks. As far as I can see; there is none. The ozone layer in the upper atmosphere comes from radiation reactions with oxygen in the atmosphere. Ozone problems in polluted areas come from reactions of hydrocarbon fractions with atmospheric oxygen under the UV radiation from the sun. ... sidebar... The original pollution index was achieved by handing a weight on a rubber band and measuring the increased stretch as atmosphieric hydrocarbons and ozone broke down the rubber.

Politesub53 -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/4/2015 5:25:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer This looks only slightly less plausible than the 'They're Going to Ban Christmas!' one. They should ban stupidity, and those gullible enough to take it in. Dont any of you Republicans check any facts or do you just continue to read and whats worse spread any bullshit you can find. Doesn't even a crotchety liberal like you get the idea that most of us get the idea that its a heads-up? And most of us can read that in the article. Why is it you can't? Btw...if they do ban stupidity, what do you suppose they'll do with you? Your right about you getting a heads up........ sadly for you its up your own arse. The story is bollocks, plain and simple.

NorthernGent -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/4/2015 5:29:21 PM)
Now that it's banned, I've started a petition to bring it back. Just sign underneath and I'll send the result to the United States authorities. Can't promise anything, though, so don't bank on it!

eulero83 -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/5/2015 1:06:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent I'm in Italy in September, including Rome, so if I bump into these blokes I'll offer them all a handshake. Mind you, they don't seem to be overly concerned with holding hands and generally having a cuddle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPXf-KJvUf8 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FVIqSTJK6I you have some cultural advices, don't forget to say everyone "your sister" with that gesture, and yes it's socially required to touch your genitals in any dangerouse situation and whenever an ambulance passes near to you. No bother, Eulero. I plan on conforming to every possible cultural norm, including adhering to the no H custom, except I won't be learning a word of Italian. So, I'll be living hand to mouth. Anyway, best to leave this one here because even the usually mild-mannered Joether has lost his rag over someone not taking the 4th July seriously! Can I just say, though, we're going to Florence, Naples, Rome. Can't wait to see Florence in particular. Not so bothered about Rome but a few of our group insisted on us going there. Never been to Italy so really looking forward to it. Use your h as much as you want we hanged upside down the motherfucker a long time ago, if you want some serious traveling tips send me a private message.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/5/2015 4:08:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer This looks only slightly less plausible than the 'They're Going to Ban Christmas!' one. They should ban stupidity, and those gullible enough to take it in. Dont any of you Republicans check any facts or do you just continue to read and whats worse spread any bullshit you can find. Doesn't even a crotchety liberal like you get the idea that most of us get the idea that its a heads-up? And most of us can read that in the article. Why is it you can't? Btw...if they do ban stupidity, what do you suppose they'll do with you? Your right about you getting a heads up........ sadly for you its up your own arse. The story is bollocks, plain and simple. The only heads up somebody's arse is yours up your own...so blinded by your own idealogy that you think making insulting cooments comments refutes the story and Owner's...so in love with government that anything critical or questioning of it or its agencies is "anti".

Owner59 -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/5/2015 6:07:14 AM)
If west was a liberal or non-political, his past words and conduct would still disgust and repel me...... For example, if I meet someone in person, a taxi driver or fellow strap-hanger or even a costumer and during our conversations they let it slip that "jews control the world`s banks or Hollywood or said President Obama was a secrete Muslim or something else just as weird/hatefilled/paranoid ,at that point they`ve lost all credibility with me. Same with a public figures. It doesn`t matter which party they`re with or no party,if they go bigoty like trump or go frothy like Santorum or go on full-elitist prick like Mitt Romeny,.....there`s very little they can do to redeem themselves..... Unfortunately for republicans, their leaders have to do ALL those things daily............ to win the party`s nomination. It`s a race to the racist bottom with each trying to out diss immigrants or getting caught paling around with white supremacists...... If democrats were associating with known racists like ted bundie,I would be bashing them too.....But they are not,rand paul is thought.....Is that my fault? I`m only reading the news and commenting using facts and events. You are also free to do the same and we`ll let the chips fall where they may. It`s not my fault or doing that west and most republicans look like PsOS. It`s their`s.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/5/2015 7:11:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech What I don't see is any sort of correlation between ozone and barbecues or fireworks. As far as I can see; there is none. The ozone layer in the upper atmosphere comes from radiation reactions with oxygen in the atmosphere. Ozone problems in polluted areas come from reactions of hydrocarbon fractions with atmospheric oxygen under the UV radiation from the sun. The Ozone Layer and ground-level ozone are not the same beasts. The Ozone Layer, because of it's location, is, generally, not breathed in. Ground-level ozone, however, is. I've read many sites on this since this thread started. They all talk about limiting the burning of fossil fuels. With grilling, gas grills are recommended over charcoal grills. If you're going to use charcoal, it's recommended to use a charcoal chimney to start the coals as it eliminates the need for lighter fluid. The only explanation I read that was about "why" it's bad on certain days is that there are days when the normal air convection currents aren't as effective at mixing the air (dilution is the solution to pollution) due to upper level air being warmer, reducing the convection currents. Fireworks, I guess, would have one or two ozone-releasing levels; ground level for novelties and for "launching" stages, and airborne levels for the explosions after launch. How high the fireworks have to go to not contribute to "ground-level" ozone, I have no idea, and no sites I've read actually addressed fireworks. quote: ... sidebar... The original pollution index was achieved by handing a weight on a rubber band and measuring the increased stretch as atmosphieric hydrocarbons and ozone broke down the rubber. That sounds a tad bit less than controlled. Very interesting tidbit, though! Thanks!

Politesub53 -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/5/2015 4:01:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant The only heads up somebody's arse is yours up your own...so blinded by your own idealogy that you think making insulting cooments comments refutes the story and Owner's...so in love with government that anything critical or questioning of it or its agencies is "anti". Let me know when your bullshit story comes true......... Until then it stays listed under bullshit. [8\|]

Lucylastic -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 4:13:47 AM)
talk about gullible and then attacking with even more BS.... found this this morning and thought it was appropo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EctkLeyz8Ks

mnottertail -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 6:37:19 AM)
Obama's gonna take your firecrackers away!!!!!!

Musicmystery -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 9:25:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant If the E. P. A. gets their way, then the way we know it just might. http://allenbwest.com/2015/07/yes-really-obama-is-about-to-end-the-4th-of-july-as-we-know-it/ Allen West? FFS. Probably gonna happen right after he took away all the guns. Oh, wait, he didn't. Well, probably all part of his secret Muslim/Illuminati plot to destroy America. America. Land of the dumb who like it that way. "an end to backyard grilling." Until the Internet, I had no idea just how gullible people really are.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 10:52:13 AM)
Yes, the EPA is such a benign agency. News broke recently that EPA is providing $15,000 in funding for a University of California-Riverside (UCR) project to limit emissions that result from grilling meat in backyard barbecues. The project, entitled “Technology for the Reduction of Particulate Matter Emissions for Residential Propane BBQs,” has a stated aim to: “research and develop preventative technology that will reduce fine particulate emissions from residential barbecues. This technology is intended to reduce air pollution as well as health hazards in Southern California, with potential for global application.” ...I guess we can take EPA at its word that the agency isn’t interested in regulating backyard barbecues, but it wasn’t that long ago that EPA was considering regulating ag dust. Or how about EPA's feverish efforts to "clarify" the definition for “waters of the U.S.,” which many say would extend the agency's reach to ditches and mud puddles. http://m.beefmagazine.com/blog/epa-looking-steal-sizzle-backyard-barbecues Publicity aside, the EPA is on a roll this month with its nickel-and-dime strategy. It recently awarded a separate $15,000 grant to the University of Tulsa for a research program intended to goad hotel guests into “modifying their behavior” by monitoring how much hot water they use while showering. http://personalliberty.com/epa-eyes-backyard-barbecue-grills-as-unhealthy-polluters/ True, this is just a student project at this point. But if you think the EPA would never require such a dubious and expensive contraption, consider the fact that just last month it cracked down on good old-fashioned wood-burning stoves — the heating source favored by many poor, often rural, folks who happen to live in places where it gets cold in the winter. The new EPA rules, to be phased in over five years, will require all new wood stoves sold in the U.S. to meet tight standards that, the agency says, will cut particulate emissions by 70%. While the long-term effect on public health from this mandate will likely be negligible, it will end up immediately eliminating low-cost wood stoves from the market. http://news.investors.com/blogs-capital-hill/032015-744394-epa-funds-research-into-less-pollution-barbecue.htm

Musicmystery -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 11:10:34 AM)
As I said, until the Internet, I had no idea just how gullible people really are. And here you are. Btw, we're one of those poor troubled wood stove users. And the EPA is right -- wood stoves are notorious polluters, inside and out, and better stoves are needed to maintain safe indoor heating. Not only do the stoves eliminate the particulate emissions, but they do so through heating a convertor that increases stove efficiency remarkably--or for you troubled Internet folk, that means it heats more evenly and longer from the same amount of wood. We have one. It rocks. Okie doke? Now go find a web page that warns Obama is coming for your oxygen and water. And it's all just a slippery slope to take your guns and institute sharia law. Oh, and the illuminati. [8\|] [image]http://cdn.designrshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/07_flag_logo_design.png[/image]

CreativeDominant -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 12:20:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery As I said, until the Internet, I had no idea just how gullible people really are. And here you are. Btw, we're one of those poor troubled wood stove users. And the EPA is right -- wood stoves are notorious polluters, inside and out, and better stoves are needed to maintain safe indoor heating. Not only do the stoves eliminate the particulate emissions, but they do so through heating a convertor that increases stove efficiency remarkably--or for you troubled Internet folk, that means it heats more evenly and longer from the same amount of wood. We have one. It rocks. Okie doke? Now go find a web page that warns Obama is coming for your oxygen and water. And it's all just a slippery slope to take your guns and institute sharia law. Oh, and the illuminati. [8\|] [image]http://cdn.designrshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/07_flag_logo_design.png[/image] Then, of course, there are the people that think any reasonable suspicion of government and its agencies are unreasonable or to be dismissed. Seems to me, the most gullible people are those who believe the line, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you"...and here you are. [image]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4f/6c/04/4f6c048be410399628e55c4cb38d73a1.jpg[/image]

mnottertail -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 2:40:03 PM)
What is reasonable suspicion, to the all out slobbering imbeciles? Let's use words in English, and use them with their meanings. Nothing reasonable it this thread starting with the OP or the dildo Allen West.

CreativeDominant -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 3:21:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail What is reasonable suspicion, to the all out slobbering imbeciles? Let's use words in English, and use them with their meanings. Nothing reasonable it this thread starting with the OP or the dildo Allen West. Reasonable suspicion is how smart people view any government claim to institute new rules to make things better. Gullible folks are those who see no reason to ever have suspicion of the government AS LONG AS any claims made about "betterment" or "help" come from the liberal-approved government agencies or elected, liberal government members. Slobbering imbeciles...well, that's just one more term for those who dare to disagree with the liberal P.O.V. or express suspicion. Sort of like "racist"...or "hater"...or "bigot"

MrRodgers -> RE: 4th of July Going Away? (7/6/2015 4:16:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: captive4ever I'm English and we don't have the 4th of July. A shorter year is all very well but I get pissed off that they took a day out of summer..... .....a little like daylight savings...killing your plants ?

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