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The answer is 'Yes'. Conservatives and libertarians needs things decided for them. They need a central authority to decide what is 'good' and what is 'not good' for them. Because they seem to lack intellectual skills these days. For if they had such skills, they would know the bullshit being shoveled around by the puppet masters in their political organizations and think tanks!

Go big brother!
What next re-education camps?

Its funny that you say that, since the FEMA camps were never designed in the manner the conservative lunatics promote. Go look up Operation: Dark Winter. The FEMA camps came as a recommendation by the REPUBLICAN Congressional committee after studying the evidence collected in the experiment. The whole thing is just scary. Took place in June of 2001.

Thanks to that 'Big Brother' many terrorist plots were thwarted before they could take place before or on July 4th. Want to take a guess how that 'Limited Government' would have performed?

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They would go bananas, and with good reason.

And so would their fawning media acolytes

The media should be going bananas over sanctuary cities, but the virtual secession doesn't fit their narrative.

"The [conservative] media should be going bananas over [gay marriage], but the virtual secession doesn't fit their narrative."

Can you explain to me why Texas, a 'free state' ban gay marriage? In fact, it was one of the last hold outs before the US Supreme Court Ruling? Even right now, its doing what it can to keep gay people from getting married.

What you overlook, is that people feel their viewpoints and rights should trump everyone else's. Yet, that is why we have state and federal laws; to create an understanding of how things 'are' and 'handled'. Do you know where the concept of 'Sanctuary Cities' originated? Conservative think tanks in Washington D.C.. How would such groups benefit from manipulating people that don't know their being manipulated on things, as it concerns the law and politics?

The reason some cities or states hold less strict terms on immigrants, is much like theirs and others stance on firearms. That this nation really has not decided on good political policy as it relates to the subject matter in question. We've had this problem on immigration for over three decades. Why are conservatives going to elect someone that can make a reasonable deal with Democrats? Since that does seem to be the hold-up in the process.

I liked the Kennedy/McCain bill on Immigration of 2007. That's because I, unlike 99% of the nation, took the time to read it. That each time it came up in the forums, that some idiot conservative spewed complete bullshit about it; I corrected them with the right information straight from the text of the bill? Its much like the ACA discussions for the last five years. In fact, its...EXACTLY...like those discussions. Is it....REALLY....hard for conservatives to sit down and....READ...that bill? (either the K/M 2007 bill, or the ACA 2010)

The answer is 'Yes'. Conservatives and libertarians needs things decided for them. They need a central authority to decide what is 'good' and what is 'not good' for them. Because they seem to lack intellectual skills these days. For if they had such skills, they would know the bullshit being shoveled around by the puppet masters in their political organizations and think tanks!

The K/M bill of 2007 had alot of good designs for a good immigration policy. Fixed many problems, closed many loop holes, removed the need for sanctuary cities all together. It was a good compromise between Republican and Democratic ideals on many subjects. It dealt with the illegal immigrant population in the nation pretty well. Explained the terms and conditions in a fair and reasonable manner. But you wont here any of this through conservative media sources. Why is that?

Why are Republicans against allowing those illegal immigrants currently in the nation, to become US Citizens? They pay taxes like anyone else on gasoline, cloths/food products, services, etc. They drink the same water, eat the same food, breath the same air. Most of them seem to wish to live in peace with their neighbors. Build good, solid communities with those around them. They hate crime and tyrants. An they know more about crime and tyrants having lived through one or more deadly experiences. So why are Republicans (and subsequently conservatives) so against the illegal immigrant population?

Comes from a study from the Univ. of New Mexico in 2006-2007. I have looked for this study for a long time, and have not found it. I once had it on my computer until a hard drive failure in 2009 (yeah, I didn't back up the UNM study...). Each time I've looked the study up, I have never been successful. If I was a conspiracy nut, I would state its the GOP/TP trying to bury the report. Since it would show their efforts having to do with 'political points' rather than 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' for all people in America.

One of the parts in the study explored/explained the concept of "How would these people vote in elections, if they were US Citizens". One in six would vote Republican. That means, five in six would vote Democratic. Twelve to fifteen million new US Citizens voting, would turn many 'Red States' over to 'Blue States'. Or force more competition in traditionally red states, while blue states remained more or less untouched if not strengthened. White Republicans would be replaced with pro-immigrant population candidates whom make things better for the lower class of citizens in states.

So its really understandable, WHY, the GOP/TP takes the stance it does. Why the conservative media puts the political spin cycle towards their audience. Why conspiracy wingnuts in conservative ideology rant and rave on Stormfront everyday. They'd lose considerable political power. Since they would become the minority, after being total assholes towards the minority groups of their area. Sad thing is, most of them claim to be Christian but can not seem to find the page that explains Luke 6: 31 (it got mysteriously ripped out of the bible...).

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Anyone see the irony here, arguing about being above fed law, or is it just me?

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Twilight zone ? Some days his posts are more like twilight central.

No slave states in the west.....Its a true classic. He wants to read the main reason Mississippi wanted to secede.

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Twilight zone ? Some days his posts are more like twilight central.

No slave states in the west.....Its a true classic. He wants to read the main reason Mississippi wanted to secede.

As always

Conservatives post about issues

Leftists post about conservatives

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Twilight zone ? Some days his posts are more like twilight central.

No slave states in the west.....Its a true classic. He wants to read the main reason Mississippi wanted to secede.

As always

Conservatives post about issues

Leftists post about conservatives

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Yes because calling the guardian link a left wing rag is discussing the issue....
ttp://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4823783

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http://www.kpho.com/story/29545942/new-stats-show-rate-of-illegals-re-arrested-for-crimes?autostart=true

Arpaio said that nearly 38 percent of them turned over to ICE were back in his jail not once but several times.

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http://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/Declined%20detainers%20report_0.pdf

Lets ship all the illegals in the country to the places in this report. Or send in federal agents to take them by force if necessary.

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Oh no we have them all over AZ, and unless I missed one (I was thinking Mesa and couldn't find it) we don't

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Otherwise, this illegal immigrant...excuse me, "undocumented citizen-to-be"...would'be been deported (again).

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2015/07/06/illegal-immigrant-kills-woman-in-san-francisco-chose-city-for-sanctuary-policies-n2021735#

Aren't we glad that San Franciso knows when to let the Supreme Court interpret the Constitution...gay marriage is o.k....and when San Francisco should...holding an illegal immigrant (excuse me, undocumented citizen-to-be)...is not.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/

Sanctuary cities have, in effect, declared themselves to be above the Federal Government. They feel they are free to pick and choose which laws they will and will not obey. They are predominately liberal. Finally they act exactly the way the left accuses conservatives and libertarians of acting. If you are outraged by sovereign citizens how outraged should you be by sovereign city-states.

If conservatives and libertarians can do it with regards to Jade Helm 15, liberals and moderates can do this. Don't like, then police your own political ideology as it relates to people better than your doing it now.

Last I checked, 'sovereign cities and/or states' elect people to power. How many times have sovereign citizens been elected to power by the people of the city and/or state that sovereign citizen 'lives' in? That right....

NONE...

In what way do you relate Jade Helm to 'sanctuary cities'?

The commonality should be rather easy to understand. 'Jade Helm 15' is just a military exercise for the US Military's special forces groups. There is nothing provable that is sinister or evil of the whole operation. Yet, there are scores of people making up all sorts of bullshit material about it to say to the contrary.

Sanctuary Cities (a phrase created by conservative think tanks), is the idea citizens through local and/or state government adjust laws towards illegal immigrants for a variety of good reasons. Yet, a number of conservative media and personalities have tried to pervert it as something evil and horrible for the nation. With no real evidence to back the bullshit up.

In both concepts, conservatives hate the reality being presented, because its at conflict with information they have been given by conservative media sources (whom have been manipulating things). Its at odds with conservative politicians whom prey on the ignorance of the 'Low Information Voter'. Why would Gov. Abbott of Texas side with conservative conspiracy lunatics to be 'wary' of the US Military? That its a 'pre-emptive' operation to kill Texan's ability to be a free state (when in fact, Texas is part of the United States all ready).

If conservative enclaves could make laws banning gay marriage, why cant liberal ones do the same towards the treatment of illegal immigrants?

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a. What federal law(s) are any cities involved in the government's Jade Helm exercise ignoring?

1. The law that you have to allow the military hold exercises in your town? Which law is that, Joether?

2. The law that says you cannot doubt the veracity of what the government says? Which law is that, Joether?

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First off, its not the government conducting the exercise, its the US Military. FEMA is not doing anything, nor is the FBI, US Marshals, or any other federal agency. Unless something happens as a reaction to conservative lunatics doing something. Say, getting into an argument that turns violent with guns towards a bunch of US NAVY SEALS off base looking for some beers....

After that blood bath, I'm sure the FBI would step in....

States can not ignore federal laws. If someone is acting in such manner to do so, its more than likely they will be dragged off to a federal court. I would expect conservatives to hold their people in power to a bit more responsibility. Since doing otherwise, undermines them politically not just in this next election, but the ones after that.

Here is a question for you: Should private citizens be allowed to film, and tail US Military personnel whom are off base conducting things most people might do in a day? Like getting their shirts at the cleaners, eating food at a resturant, visiting friends that live nearby? That they are hounded by Texans whom say they will not be armed. Have you ever known a conservative Texan NOT to be armed, when they think the US Government is up to no good?

Should the FBI be allowed to tail the tailers whom are conducting unreasonable if not 'meddling' levels of surveillance on the US Military folks when they are off base?

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Try reading this document, its call the US Constitution.

After that, try going to a place called 'the library' and asking "Whom defends our rights under the US Constitution in 2015". You'll get an answer: The United States Armed Forces. That would be the US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, the US Marine Corps, and the US Coast Guard (yeah, I'm old school). Further, the country is protected by many local, state, and federal agencies.

Since without the US Military, we dont have laws. Therefore, if they want to practice in your backyard, its your 'harsh words' verse their M1-Abrams. Now then, the Military is not a dictator force. They are filled with common Americans. When the Pentagon heard of the voices being issued about the operation's declaration in November, it sent people to explain the operation in full. For most sane, reasonable people, the Lt. Colonel sent was very patient, polite, knowledgeable, and diplomatic. He was asked reasonable questions, and about three times that in unreasonable questions. Since that time, the Pentagon has re-stated things for the benefit of the 'below average intelligence' so common with conservatives these days.

There is nothing sinister or evil going on with Jade Helm 15. The Military will conduct its operation, train its people, and be done with things by the end of September. Then they'll go back to where ever they are based. Those that opposed all this, will look like total fools and idiots for having 'resisted' it.

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If you are accusing the government of lying, why dont you present your evidence? Since the US Military has clearly stated more than once, with evidence, the nature, scale, and scope of operations. If the US Special Forces of the US Military can fully take over and hold Texas; I'll laugh! Since that would imply the Texas National Guard is full of idiots and morons whom cant operate their equipment. That all those 'folks with guns' are little more than mindless rabble, when they often state they could successfully take down a tyrannical government, if one were to come to their state.

If conservatives were as honest on Jade Helm 15, as the US Military, this would not be an issue. Since most of them supported the US Military (like the liberals) when a Republican was in the White House. Now that there is a Democrat in the Oval Office, conservatives can't trust the US Military? Doesn't that sound just...alittle...insane?

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And the remarks being made about irony in this situation...if you can't understand the difference between a state claiming its rights under the Constitution not to be dictated to by the Federal government in state matters and a city deciding it will set up policies in defiance not only of the Federal government but in opposition to the states overall policies, then you are the ones with a problem...and it starts with discerning irony and continues with context.