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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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• The number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators. That's about a thousandth of a percent of the total estimated number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States.

• This week's report from the American Immigration Council counters that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and are overrepresented in the federal prison system. Citing the American Community Survey, the report also notes that the percentage of foreign-born men in the United States who are incarcerated (1.6%) is less than the percentage of U.S.-born men who are imprisoned (3.3%). And the reason they're behind bars is often tied to immigration offenses.

--- My own experience is that immigrants are particularly law-abiding b/c they are vulnerable, family members are depending upon them, and they don't want to risk either deportation or an ICE detainer.

--- Anyone who commits a crime of moral turpitude (theft, fraud, etc.) or an "aggravated felony" (a more serious crime) is unstoppably deported (there's no legal defense.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/immigrants-crime/index.html?utm_source=AILA+Mailing&utm_campaign=b20bdcda60-AILA8_7_9_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3c0e619096-b20bdcda60-287745265

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

I always worry when reports say any minority group is "overrepresented in the prison system".

Like there should be a quota or something.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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• The number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators. That's about a thousandth of a percent of the total estimated number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States.

• This week's report from the American Immigration Council counters that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and are overrepresented in the federal prison system. Citing the American Community Survey, the report also notes that the percentage of foreign-born men in the United States who are incarcerated (1.6%) is less than the percentage of U.S.-born men who are imprisoned (3.3%). And the reason they're behind bars is often tied to immigration offenses.

--- My own experience is that immigrants are particularly law-abiding b/c they are vulnerable, family members are depending upon them, and they don't want to risk either deportation or an ICE detainer.

--- Anyone who commits a crime of moral turpitude (theft, fraud, etc.) or an "aggravated felony" (a more serious crime) is unstoppably deported (there's no legal defense.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/immigrants-crime/index.html?utm_source=AILA+Mailing&utm_campaign=b20bdcda60-AILA8_7_9_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3c0e619096-b20bdcda60-287745265

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

121

• The number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators. That's about a thousandth of a percent of the total estimated number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States.

• This week's report from the American Immigration Council counters that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and are overrepresented in the federal prison system. Citing the American Community Survey, the report also notes that the percentage of foreign-born men in the United States who are incarcerated (1.6%) is less than the percentage of U.S.-born men who are imprisoned (3.3%). And the reason they're behind bars is often tied to immigration offenses.

--- My own experience is that immigrants are particularly law-abiding b/c they are vulnerable, family members are depending upon them, and they don't want to risk either deportation or an ICE detainer.

--- Anyone who commits a crime of moral turpitude (theft, fraud, etc.) or an "aggravated felony" (a more serious crime) is unstoppably deported (there's no legal defense.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/immigrants-crime/index.html?utm_source=AILA+Mailing&utm_campaign=b20bdcda60-AILA8_7_9_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3c0e619096-b20bdcda60-287745265

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Many immigrants are imprisoned on non-criminal "detainers" and held in prison before an immigration court appearance or as a precursor to removal/deportation. These numbers would not count towards criminal numbers.

I have one family where ICE pulled the father out of his home at 5:00 AM and put him behind bars for straight immigration reasons. I was able to get him out and solve his situation, but then ICE put the mother in prison to deport her. I'm still working on that mess, but we've gotten her out of jail. This couple has two US citizen daughters age 21 and 20, but notwithstanding that, still no path to a green card b/c of complications. Instead of buying a house, and integrating into the USA, this family lives on the edge.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Many immigrants are imprisoned on non-criminal "detainers" and held in prison before an immigration court appearance or as a precursor to removal/deportation. These numbers would not count towards criminal numbers.

I have one family where ICE pulled the father out of his home at 5:00 AM and put him behind bars for straight immigration reasons. I was able to get him out and solve his situation, but then ICE put the mother in prison to deport her. I'm still working on that mess, but we've gotten her out of jail. This couple has two US citizen daughters age 21 and 20, but notwithstanding that, still no path to a green card b/c of complications. Instead of buying a house, and integrating into the USA, this family lives on the edge.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Wait a minute. . . how do we know the number is 121? I know that a lot of prisons do not even know how many incarcerated are illegal immigrants.

It is almost like they are making crap up.

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Call me quirky, but I think there is a difference between immigrants and convicted criminal illegal aliens.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Call me quirky, but I think there is a difference between immigrants and convicted criminal illegal aliens.

K.

K, cloudboy is not capable of seeing the difference, even if 10 of us point it out.
I also pointed out that there SHOULD be a clear difference made between criminal activity/criminals that are undocumented, and undocumented people that are not criminals, and come here to have a better life.

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ORIGINAL: Marini
He is not capable of seeing the difference.
I am surprised he has not started calling people racist yet, he must be warming up.

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ORIGINAL: Marini
I think we live in the only country in the world, in which serious crimes/and or serious criminal activity committed by people that are not citizens of that country/and here illegally, would STILL be given sanctuary and get a large amount of support and sympathy from the citizens of the country.

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ORIGINAL: Marini
It breaks the first law of nature.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
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• The number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators. That's about a thousandth of a percent of the total estimated number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States.

• This week's report from the American Immigration Council counters that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and are overrepresented in the federal prison system. Citing the American Community Survey, the report also notes that the percentage of foreign-born men in the United States who are incarcerated (1.6%) is less than the percentage of U.S.-born men who are imprisoned (3.3%). And the reason they're behind bars is often tied to immigration offenses.

--- My own experience is that immigrants are particularly law-abiding b/c they are vulnerable, family members are depending upon them, and they don't want to risk either deportation or an ICE detainer.

--- Anyone who commits a crime of moral turpitude (theft, fraud, etc.) or an "aggravated felony" (a more serious crime) is unstoppably deported (there's no legal defense.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/immigrants-crime/index.html?utm_source=AILA+Mailing&utm_campaign=b20bdcda60-AILA8_7_9_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3c0e619096-b20bdcda60-287745265

Your numbers are crunched by people who want us to think that illegals are harmless and the salvation of our society. If we don't know how many illegals are in the country how can we possibly say what percent commits crimes, other than coming here illegal. Actually 100% are criminals, just not crimes that you will recognize as such.

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ORIGINAL: joether

Devil's Advocate....

If they are undocumented, how do you know they would be criminal or not?

When detained for immigration violations, you run a criminal background check, doh!

Many people break laws across the whole of the nation. One only has to visit the local highway system to get many examples of law breakers. If those whom hate immigrants for breaking a law, why are they not just as angry at those breaking speed limits? Since it is more likely those speeding on a daily basis far exceed those crossing the border.

Now I get it; traffic code violations are equivalent to arson, rape, and murder. Gotcha!


Actually, many nations have similar situations and concepts to that of the US Constitution. Its rather arrogant, if not ignorant, to assume we, the United States of America, are the only ones with such laws and abilities. Many nations have a population whom is sympathetic to those that are like them. Whether that basis is on race, religion, economic circumstances, gender, age, or any of many other factors. France has a rather large population of Muslims; so those whom are new to the nation come to stay, may likely have help and support from those already living there as citizens.

And if you read some of the European press; they are arguing the same thing we are. "Does the flood of African refugees hide an infiltration of Boku Haram terrorists?" "Should all the refugees in Calais trying to force their way into lorries and sneak into Britain be detained and deported?"

(in reply to joether)

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
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• The number of people released from immigration custody who were later charged with murder between 2010 and 2014, according to figures from the Department of Homeland Security cited in a recent letter from two U.S. senators. That's about a thousandth of a percent of the total estimated number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States.

• This week's report from the American Immigration Council counters that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and are overrepresented in the federal prison system. Citing the American Community Survey, the report also notes that the percentage of foreign-born men in the United States who are incarcerated (1.6%) is less than the percentage of U.S.-born men who are imprisoned (3.3%). And the reason they're behind bars is often tied to immigration offenses.

--- My own experience is that immigrants are particularly law-abiding b/c they are vulnerable, family members are depending upon them, and they don't want to risk either deportation or an ICE detainer.

--- Anyone who commits a crime of moral turpitude (theft, fraud, etc.) or an "aggravated felony" (a more serious crime) is unstoppably deported (there's no legal defense.)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/immigrants-crime/index.html?utm_source=AILA+Mailing&utm_campaign=b20bdcda60-AILA8_7_9_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3c0e619096-b20bdcda60-287745265

Your numbers are crunched by people who want us to think that illegals are harmless and the salvation of our society. If we don't know how many illegals are in the country how can we possibly say what percent commits crimes, other than coming here illegal. Actually 100% are criminals, just not crimes that you will recognize as such.

Most of the illegal immigrants are harmless. They are fleeing something more terrible than the wrath of angry conservatives and libertarians. It could be that one of them through study and hard work becomes or does something of amazing significance. Solve some terrible illness, invent some new technology, bring peace to two rival peoples whom are at war.

While the exact count of illegal immigrants maybe unknown, we can make an educated guess based on many factors. From there, it comes down to just another set of factors and information known to arrive at the percentage.

Actually, they are not criminals. They are only criminals....AFTER...a court of law with a jury, lawyer, and all the fun stuff that goes with it, determines that factor to be true. Until then, they are considered innocent.