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VA Backlog Update - 7/15/2015 9:09:45 PM   
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Military Times (July 15, 2015)

A pair of California lawmakers want to know why paperwork required to finalize veterans' disability claims ended up in a Los Angeles shredding bin.

The latest embarrassing episode for the Veterans Affairs Department comes alongside questions surrounding 240,000 deceased veterans on agency medical waiting lists and worries from senators that physician credentialing problems in Arizona may stop cancer treatments for veterans there.

Staffers for Rep. Julia Brownley, D-Calif., said officials from the VA's Inspector General's Office confirmed they found key pieces of paperwork from veterans' claims files "inappropriately placed in shred bins" at the department's Los Angeles Regional Office.

VA officials said only 10 files were misplaced in the bins, and the items would have been subject to additional review before being destroyed. They downplayed the problem as a one-time mistake from a small number of workers, not "malicious intent."

Full details of the findings won't be released for several more weeks, and the exact number of cases affected has not yet been released by the VA Inspector General's Office.

But Brownley and Rep. Raul Ruiz, D-Calif., have called for hearings and an immediate review of how the regional office handles documents.

"Such misconduct could have a devastating impact on the affected veterans and their families, resulting in the loss of critical information and adversely affecting the adjudication of veteran claims," the two lawmakers wrote in a letter to VA Secretary Bob McDonald. "Simply put, this is unacceptable."

Seven years ago, after similar allegations of improper document shredding hit the department, the Inspector General recommended a host of new controls to ensure critical paperwork was not being lost in the system.

Brownley and Ruiz questioned whether those suggestions have been properly implemented and whether new rules are needed.

VA officials insist these particular problems were corrected back in the spring, and added that all relevant personnel in the regional office have been retrained.

Loss of paperwork has long been a problem in the VA claims and medical processes, with veterans advocates recommending that individuals keep multiple copies of all critical paperwork because of commonplace loss within agency offices.

VA leaders in recent years have placed extra emphasis on digitizing those records, in part to prevent that kind of loss.

The lawmakers did not say how many veterans may have been affected by the latest problem. The regional office handles claims for more than 700,000 veterans in California.

The VA Inspector General also is expected to issue a second report in August discussing leadership and training problems at the Los Angeles office.

VA officials in recent weeks have touted a dramatic drop in the disability claims backlog since it peaked at more than 600,000 cases in March 2013. As of this week, the total stands at less than 125,000 cases.

But outside critics have questioned whether that decline is the result of better processing or careless handling of pending requests.

House Veterans Affairs Committee officials said this week that they are looking into hearings on the issue of veterans who died while waiting for determinations on whether they were eligible for VA health care, and the timeliness of department record-keeping. VA officials have said they cannot delete the names from their lists, even though some are decades old, due to existing regulations.

On Wednesday, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., also asked Congress and the VA to look into the cancer credentialing problem, saying at least 20 patients may have their care halted this month because of recent rule changes.

Stars and Stripes, July 15, 2015



More than a quarter of the veterans on the wait list for VA care are deceased, according to an internal report.

The report from April, titled "Analysis for Services," showed 238,657 of the 847, 822 veterans on the wait list for health care enrollment with the Department of Veterans Affairs died after initiating the application process but were never removed.

The VA has no way of removing deceased applicants, and some vets seek alternative health insurances, an agency spokeswoman told the Huffington Post,which first reported the story Monday.

In addition, the report shows more than half of the applicants had "activity" after death, including compensation, doctor visits and prescription fills.

The findings are under investigation by the House Veterans Affairs Subcommittee, staff director Eric Hannel said.

The leaked report comes only weeks after auditors found $43 million set aside to inform veterans about their benefits sitting untouched for three years in an account. Another report earlier in 2015 found a backlog of nearly 200,000 VA claims pending for longer than 125 days, some from combat veterans.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/16/2015 1:07:33 PM   
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Why is that? That regardless of political party, our military people have been fucked over since the Washington administration?

Back in 2008, I had an easier time obtaining healthcare to treat Depression, than those whom had one or more tours of duty in either Iraq or Afghanistan. An I was unemployed at the time! While sitting in a support group (very similar to AA), I found one US Army guy whose parents dragged him from the VA into a private healthcare physician's office. It would have taken the VA about two years just to help him. Most likely he would have been dead after just two months.

Years later, I tried helping another Army veteran get help on PTSD through the VA. That was insanity on every level. An every frustrating. Yes, that guy did get an appointment to see a shrink. Three days after the funeral, five days after he shot himself to death....

The Affordable Care act, like Mass Health, were created to help combat these sort of problems. One of the concepts in both laws was to create an infrastructure by which medical help could more easily get directed to all people, not just the rich. Heavily opposed by organizations and people that didn't understand either bill at the time, nor the law in effect now. If that soldier had been around in 2014, he might still be alive today. Since he could have gotten health coverage. Either through his folks or the state.

Yeah, the VA really needs a big update. Like the rest of the nation! It will cost money to accomplish. Are the citizens of this nation worth it? According to the GOP/TP, the answer is 'no'. Make sure not to vote for them in the next election....



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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 4:54:44 AM   
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http://popularmilitary.com/vas-mismanagement-of-fund-leads-to-longer-lines-hospital-closures/

VA solution cut services, close hospitals, extend wait times, exclude terminal cases.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 5:29:03 AM   
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And the Affordable Heathcare Act... I still see no way that a mandatory income for insurance companies really has any effect on the ability to obtain health care. You still have to pay out of pocket with the $6000 deductibles of the Obamacare policies.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 5:38:23 AM   
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i trust over the course of a half dozen paragraphs and many hundreds of words, our resident obamacare expert will be happy to tell you----all the while irrationally bashing the tea party.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 6:48:13 AM   
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http://www.va.gov/health/aca/ He will be hard pressed saying that the VA meets the ACA as stated by the ACA when they are forcing the exclusion of diseases covered by ACA. That means that 100% of those people would be without healthcare.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 10:23:35 AM   
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And the Affordable Heathcare Act... I still see no way that a mandatory income for insurance companies really has any effect on the ability to obtain health care. You still have to pay out of pocket with the $6000 deductibles of the Obamacare policies.


Where do you get that piece of bullshit from?

I'll tell you where: The GOP/TP tries to find that one person in 100 million, in which 'shit goes against them', and they spin the bullshit to make it sound like its commonplace. They (the conservative media) know your not intelligent enough to consider, think, reason, nor question what your told. The devil of problems, is within the details. That conservative 'journalists' ignore material that would help explain the full story line of events regarding a particular issue.

If something sounds....REALLY....odd or wild; maybe you should research it more to determine fact from fiction.

I grant you having read the ACA, its not perfect. But its better set of laws for us 99% Americans than we had before its creation. You didnt read it, so, arguing from a place of total ignorance. The law has been around for FIVE FREAKING YEARS! If you dont understand the ACA, why dont you sit down and....READ IT!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!


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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 10:34:19 AM   
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http://www.va.gov/health/aca/ He will be hard pressed saying that the VA meets the ACA as stated by the ACA when they are forcing the exclusion of diseases covered by ACA. That means that 100% of those people would be without healthcare.


The ACA was not created to handle military affairs, but civilian ones. That veterans are indeed US Citizens, are ALSO, allowed to obtain healthcare through state and federal exchanges like anyone else. There is nothing within the ACA that prevents a military veteran from doing this. Its sad that I have to explain this to people that should already know this stuff....

However, if the particular veterans feels they will obtain better care through the VA, they do not need to obtain a healthcare plan as per the rules within the ACA. The VA 'plans' were crafted to fit easily within the ACA's rules for healthcare policies (i.e. grandfathered clauses).

The ACA does not state which diseases can and can not be treated. You would know that if you had actual read the law that's been around for five years.

Could you explain fully, the ACA, to someone that has no knowledge of it, on what it contains and what it doesn't contain? Of course not! But your ego is such that you would try, and fail to give good answers. Instead of being an ignorant moron, why not study the fucking law? Its your duty as a US Citizen to be informed on what the government is doing.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 10:38:11 AM   
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i trust over the course of a half dozen paragraphs and many hundreds of words, our resident obamacare expert will be happy to tell you----all the while irrationally bashing the tea party.

No more entries, please... we have a winner!!

K.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 11:10:44 AM   
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i trust over the course of a half dozen paragraphs and many hundreds of words, our resident obamacare expert will be happy to tell you----all the while irrationally bashing the tea party.

No more entries, please... we have a winner!!


Given that you are all usually 'fucktard stupid' on a document that is very easy to understand; makes me wonder on your ability to understand, learn, or think on anything else in reality....


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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 11:15:02 AM   
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http://www.va.gov/health/aca/ He will be hard pressed saying that the VA meets the ACA as stated by the ACA when they are forcing the exclusion of diseases covered by ACA. That means that 100% of those people would be without healthcare.


The ACA was not created to handle military affairs, but civilian ones. That veterans are indeed US Citizens, are ALSO, allowed to obtain healthcare through state and federal exchanges like anyone else. There is nothing within the ACA that prevents a military veteran from doing this. Its sad that I have to explain this to people that should already know this stuff....

However, if the particular veterans feels they will obtain better care through the VA, they do not need to obtain a healthcare plan as per the rules within the ACA. The VA 'plans' were crafted to fit easily within the ACA's rules for healthcare policies (i.e. grandfathered clauses).

The ACA does not state which diseases can and can not be treated. You would know that if you had actual read the law that's been around for five years.

Could you explain fully, the ACA, to someone that has no knowledge of it, on what it contains and what it doesn't contain? Of course not! But your ego is such that you would try, and fail to give good answers. Instead of being an ignorant moron, why not study the fucking law? Its your duty as a US Citizen to be informed on what the government is doing.

http://popularmilitary.com/vas-mismanagement-of-fund-leads-to-longer-lines-hospital-closures/ posted above repeated for those that cherry pick and don't read the references.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 11:25:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i trust over the course of a half dozen paragraphs and many hundreds of words, our resident obamacare expert will be happy to tell you----all the while irrationally bashing the tea party.

No more entries, please... we have a winner!!

Given that you are all usually 'fucktard stupid' on a document that is very easy to understand; makes me wonder on your ability to understand, learn, or think on anything else in reality....

What an odd thing to say. I don't recall commenting on the provisions of the ACA, stupidly or otherwise.

You wouldn't be making shit up again, would you?

K.


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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 11:47:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

i trust over the course of a half dozen paragraphs and many hundreds of words, our resident obamacare expert will be happy to tell you----all the while irrationally bashing the tea party.

No more entries, please... we have a winner!!

Given that you are all usually 'fucktard stupid' on a document that is very easy to understand; makes me wonder on your ability to understand, learn, or think on anything else in reality....

What an odd thing to say. I don't recall commenting on the provisions of the ACA, stupidly or otherwise.

You wouldn't be making shit up again, would you?


You've never commented on the ACA or what is within it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your full of bullshit, moron! All I have to do is a simple search on this site. ANYONE, can do a simple search on this site. And find your full of shit. You have commented on the ACA. You have attacked me on the ACA, only to get beaten down later, by me, using the legal understandings of the ACA.

How about: HATE Groups -- Post Obama Election 7/18/14, Post # 56?

Psychos Can Now Have Guns! 12/21/14, Post # 62?

I can come up with more. Using 'Affordable Care Act', 'ACA', 'aca', and 'obamacare' (which you use often enough).

Or the search like 'aca bozo' or 'aca you dont know shit'.

If I had a $100 every time you lied on something, I'd be a multi-billionaire by now....

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 11:51:34 AM   
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I can come up with more. Using 'Affordable Care Act', 'ACA', 'aca', and 'obamacare' (which you use often enough).

More, eh? I don't see any links at all in your post. But hey, knock your socks off. Here's the search...

http://www.collarchat.com/searchpro.asp?phrase=ACA+obamacare&author=Kirata&forumid=63&topicreply=both&message=body&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=300&criteria=AND&minRank=0&sortMethod=d&submitbutton=+OK+

K.



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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 12:59:54 PM   
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If I had a $100 every time you lied on something, I'd be a multi-billionaire by now....

Curious. Let's check that math...

$1,000,000,000 divided by $100 equals 10,000,000 lies. Ten million lies divided amongst Kirata's roughly 13,200 posts equals ~757 lies per post.

As I've noticed, Kirata doesn't usually post more than a few hundred words when he really has something to say. Usually, I don't think he breaks 100 (rough estimate). Based on that, any actual lies notwithstanding, I can only conclude that your math skills suck even worse than your English skills.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 7:09:08 PM   
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And the Affordable Heathcare Act... I still see no way that a mandatory income for insurance companies really has any effect on the ability to obtain health care. You still have to pay out of pocket with the $6000 deductibles of the Obamacare policies.


Where do you get that piece of bullshit from?

I'll tell you where: The GOP/TP tries to find that one person in 100 million, in which 'shit goes against them', and they spin the bullshit to make it sound like its commonplace. They (the conservative media) know your not intelligent enough to consider, think, reason, nor question what your told. The devil of problems, is within the details. That conservative 'journalists' ignore material that would help explain the full story line of events regarding a particular issue.

If something sounds....REALLY....odd or wild; maybe you should research it more to determine fact from fiction.

I grant you having read the ACA, its not perfect. But its better set of laws for us 99% Americans than we had before its creation. You didnt read it, so, arguing from a place of total ignorance. The law has been around for FIVE FREAKING YEARS! If you dont understand the ACA, why dont you sit down and....READ IT!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!




I get it from direct observation and discussing problems obtaining health care with friends and relatives. I get it from the insurance statistics and the way health insurance premiums doubled after the AHA was implemented. Gad, the mandatory insurance policy makes one pay a second mortgage payment to get anywhere near a decent health plan. And, having insurance in no way guarantees you can actually get treatment.

When your mandated and required health insurance has a $6000 deductible you have to dig deep to get any health care. How much is 15 minutes of a doctor's time to get his signature on a prescription renewal worth? Well, it was $150 to $185 before AHA. Now it is $375.00.

This is the third time a Democratically controlled congress has reworked public health care in my lifetime. And each time they promise savings but deliver higher costs and less health care availability.

And coming from direct experience is not parroting total ignorance. Knowing people working in the health industry and discussing what goes on at their place of work is not approaching things from a position of ignorance.

Wake up and smell the coffee; we have been scammed again.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/18/2015 7:47:02 PM   
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http://www.va.gov/health/aca/ He will be hard pressed saying that the VA meets the ACA as stated by the ACA when they are forcing the exclusion of diseases covered by ACA. That means that 100% of those people would be without healthcare.


The ACA was not created to handle military affairs, but civilian ones. That veterans are indeed US Citizens, are ALSO, allowed to obtain healthcare through state and federal exchanges like anyone else. There is nothing within the ACA that prevents a military veteran from doing this. Its sad that I have to explain this to people that should already know this stuff....

However, if the particular veterans feels they will obtain better care through the VA, they do not need to obtain a healthcare plan as per the rules within the ACA. The VA 'plans' were crafted to fit easily within the ACA's rules for healthcare policies (i.e. grandfathered clauses).

The ACA does not state which diseases can and can not be treated. You would know that if you had actual read the law that's been around for five years.

Could you explain fully, the ACA, to someone that has no knowledge of it, on what it contains and what it doesn't contain? Of course not! But your ego is such that you would try, and fail to give good answers. Instead of being an ignorant moron, why not study the fucking law? Its your duty as a US Citizen to be informed on what the government is doing.

http://popularmilitary.com/vas-mismanagement-of-fund-leads-to-longer-lines-hospital-closures/ posted above repeated for those that cherry pick and don't read the references.

So the government says we got your coverage all set for you. Then renigs and says well if you have such and such ailment you are no longer covered because you cost to much. Just like private insurance before ACA and in opposition to the requirements of ACA, the individual should just go right on out there and pay for more insurance because.......? Oh wait because the Obama Administration doesn't hold to the law or someone there says well it costs to much for us to cover you.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/19/2015 1:05:48 PM   
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If I had a $100 every time you lied on something, I'd be a multi-billionaire by now....

Curious. Let's check that math...

$1,000,000,000 divided by $100 equals 10,000,000 lies. Ten million lies divided amongst Kirata's roughly 13,200 posts equals ~757 lies per post.

As I've noticed, Kirata doesn't usually post more than a few hundred words when he really has something to say. Usually, I don't think he breaks 100 (rough estimate). Based on that, any actual lies notwithstanding, I can only conclude that your math skills suck even worse than your English skills.


Its not the number of words, its the number of posts. In some posts, he lied multiple times.

For example: "Your full of shit".

Actually, the human body is combosed of many things. Water, minerals, gases, and other liquirds. Yes, 'shit' does make up a small percentage, but is not the whole of the being. This is easily proved using biochemistry or medicine.

Another Example: "Your a bozo".

I'm neither annoying or obnoxious (but Kirata does fit both definitions). If I was stupid, why is it that I fucking PWN kirata and others on this forum on a regular basis? An that many others have commented to this effect.

You have not been able to make a single argument to which I could not counter with ease. Therefore, if I'm stupid, your brainless! Since you count yourself with a mind to think, I am therefore much more so.

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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/19/2015 1:10:34 PM   
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http://www.va.gov/health/aca/ He will be hard pressed saying that the VA meets the ACA as stated by the ACA when they are forcing the exclusion of diseases covered by ACA. That means that 100% of those people would be without healthcare.


The ACA was not created to handle military affairs, but civilian ones. That veterans are indeed US Citizens, are ALSO, allowed to obtain healthcare through state and federal exchanges like anyone else. There is nothing within the ACA that prevents a military veteran from doing this. Its sad that I have to explain this to people that should already know this stuff....

However, if the particular veterans feels they will obtain better care through the VA, they do not need to obtain a healthcare plan as per the rules within the ACA. The VA 'plans' were crafted to fit easily within the ACA's rules for healthcare policies (i.e. grandfathered clauses).

The ACA does not state which diseases can and can not be treated. You would know that if you had actual read the law that's been around for five years.

Could you explain fully, the ACA, to someone that has no knowledge of it, on what it contains and what it doesn't contain? Of course not! But your ego is such that you would try, and fail to give good answers. Instead of being an ignorant moron, why not study the fucking law? Its your duty as a US Citizen to be informed on what the government is doing.

http://popularmilitary.com/vas-mismanagement-of-fund-leads-to-longer-lines-hospital-closures/ posted above repeated for those that cherry pick and don't read the references.

So the government says we got your coverage all set for you. Then renigs and says well if you have such and such ailment you are no longer covered because you cost to much. Just like private insurance before ACA and in opposition to the requirements of ACA, the individual should just go right on out there and pay for more insurance because.......? Oh wait because the Obama Administration doesn't hold to the law or someone there says well it costs to much for us to cover you.


You can not be disqualified from a health plan due to a pre-existing condition. Nor charged more or denied treatment based on health status. That is actually in the ACA! You find an insurance company doing this, get yourself a blood thirty lawyer who wants to make an easy few million.....

...You'll get a pile of money on top of it!


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RE: VA Backlog Update - 7/19/2015 1:50:52 PM   
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And the Affordable Heathcare Act... I still see no way that a mandatory income for insurance companies really has any effect on the ability to obtain health care. You still have to pay out of pocket with the $6000 deductibles of the Obamacare policies.

Where do you get that piece of bullshit from?

I'll tell you where: The GOP/TP tries to find that one person in 100 million, in which 'shit goes against them', and they spin the bullshit to make it sound like its commonplace. They (the conservative media) know your not intelligent enough to consider, think, reason, nor question what your told. The devil of problems, is within the details. That conservative 'journalists' ignore material that would help explain the full story line of events regarding a particular issue.

If something sounds....REALLY....odd or wild; maybe you should research it more to determine fact from fiction.

I grant you having read the ACA, its not perfect. But its better set of laws for us 99% Americans than we had before its creation. You didnt read it, so, arguing from a place of total ignorance. The law has been around for FIVE FREAKING YEARS! If you dont understand the ACA, why dont you sit down and....READ IT!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

I get it from direct observation and discussing problems obtaining health care with friends and relatives. I get it from the insurance statistics and the way health insurance premiums doubled after the AHA was implemented. Gad, the mandatory insurance policy makes one pay a second mortgage payment to get anywhere near a decent health plan. And, having insurance in no way guarantees you can actually get treatment.


Sit down and read the law. After you remove the front section, glossary of terms, amendments, appendix, charts/tables. Then take the remainder to letter size format and single space lines; its about 700 pages. Thats about as long as the first Game of Thrones novel. Four times as dull and boring though....

...But no one gets killed in the document!

When I say there is....ALOT....of misinformation out there, I'm not saying it due to a political viewpoint. Liberals, moderates and conservatives are very ignorant of the law's effects and understandings. This results in tens of millions of Americans being torn down by unscrupulous people. Usually a simple websearch with 'ACA' and whatever issue your facing may help. Stick to the government sites (.gov) as they are required by law to be factual on the regulations. Some .com and .net sites are scrupulous in their figures and explanations. But having read the ACA, would you know which is truthful or not?

Some people have come onto this forum and asked questions. And I've usually done the research to point out the explanation of the law, or a good place to look up better information. I refrain from the political angle/agenda in these cases. I personally would like the ACA to be improved upon. Some areas 'sounded good on paper' but just dont work well in the real world. Others are simple additions of existing concepts and/or ideas found in the ACA.

If your not getting treatment, because the insurance company is denying it; then the first think you need to learn is your rights. Most Americans will say they have rights when dealing with a police officer. How many could rattle off the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments correctly and their meanings? Along with the exceptions to those laws? You can't just read the ACA, you need to understand it. Most town clerks can help with some of the language details, as its fairly common with most state's language of the law.

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When your mandated and required health insurance has a $6000 deductible you have to dig deep to get any health care. How much is 15 minutes of a doctor's time to get his signature on a prescription renewal worth? Well, it was $150 to $185 before AHA. Now it is $375.00.


I'm assuming a few things here, so please correct me....

A ) You have a health insurance plan from either the state or federal exchanges?
B ) Said health insurance is not only active but paid per the pricing schedule (some require a full, others a monthly)?
C ) Your plan would fall under a bronze plan level?
D ) Your not aware of your rights under the ACA?

You do not need a medical doctor to obtain a prescription. Depending on the state, you can get it from a Registered Nurse (less likely) or a Nurse Practitioner (more likely). For most mental/emotional medications you WILL need a psychiatrist in most instances.

I say a bronze level plan, as its the cheapest of the four plan types (the others being silver, gold, and platinum). Unfortunately the amount the insurance pays and at what levels changes more to your 'favor' the higher the plan type. Most bronze plans allow for a subsidy in most states. Some states didn't wish to take the subsidy (i.e. what the recent US Supreme Court decision was all about).

My advice: Contact a Social Worker at your local hospital. In most cases its free or a small office fee for an hour's worth of good advice. They maybe able to bring up your healthcare information and give further information.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
This is the third time a Democratically controlled congress has reworked public health care in my lifetime. And each time they promise savings but deliver higher costs and less health care availability.


Your opinion here, I guess.

In truth Congress has worked on public healthcare almost every year for eighty years. You should know by now not to trust everything coming out of the politicians mouth or website!

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
And coming from direct experience is not parroting total ignorance. Knowing people working in the health industry and discussing what goes on at their place of work is not approaching things from a position of ignorance.


Yet what they know, and what you think they know, are two different things. Many medical doctors have not read the ACA (that's for their office stuff to know). Also, the manner in which someone says something maybe fully understood in English, but the underlying meaning of it could be very different. Try listening to two lawyers debating tort law. Even though everything they say is in English, how its used is very different. Scientist talk in the same way. Even though you understanding what is being stated, the underlying meaning is often very different.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
Wake up and smell the coffee; we have been scammed again.


Actually, we are better off than before the ACA. But that is only because I read the law and understand what it covers.

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