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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/16/msnbc-video-we-have-to-break-through-the-idea-that-kids-belong-to-their-parents/

Shades of the Clinton it takes a village. Take the responsibility of parenting a child and give it to government. Government is always right and parents are just wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

its only ok to own your children if you are strict christian, married heterosexual, middle class working parents.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Is the more common view that children are their parents' property, then? Seems peculiar to me.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

funny I didnt say property.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/16/msnbc-video-we-have-to-break-through-the-idea-that-kids-belong-to-their-parents/

Shades of the Clinton it takes a village. Take the responsibility of parenting a child and give it to government. Government is always right and parents are just wrong.

The Tea Party has its own 'news' agency now? What? Is FOX 'news' not enough?

This idea has been 'out in the airwaves' for over a year. In fact, if you study this lady's material, it goes father back. Why is it a 'news' story today? Did it take the author a full year to think up a half-witted argument?

I get a chuckle at the 'Obamapool Reflections', which is created by ANOTHER person from tpnn, Not, Melissa Harris-Perry. So you just know that 'poem' is full of shit, half baked truths, and devoid of anything really honest. Just like the Tea Party it serves....

So let's discussion this tpnn's author's ideas seriously....

"It takes a village to raise a child", is a title of a book from Mrs. Clinton. Its also an African proverb. Could even be argued the concept is far older. Many Native American tribes would collective teach children of the tribe as their own. Many cultures hold to it, that children needed to be nurtured to help the community when they were of age.

But we are not discussing ancient era concepts of humanity, but a modern political debate, by individuals belonging to a 'news' organization that have a poligical agenda (i.e. no integrity). While a child is the 'property' of their parents, they are not full property. If mishandled, mistreated, or abused, said child can and often is taken from the parent(s) by the state (i.e. the community). That most children are not home schooled (i.e. brainwashed), and thus, using community dollars (i.e. tax payer dollars), does imply a certain degree by which ownership of any individual child could be that of the community at large.

With the 14th, the technical concept of owning people as property straight out, was outlawed. However, if someone commits a criminal action, found guilty and placed in prison; are they not property of the state? If a child kills, found guilty and placed in a prison, are they too not property of the state?

Turning times of emergency, could it be said that teenagers might be drafted to help a community against an impending doom? Like rescuing a dam before it breaks during a massive flood that could wipe out the town they live in? Before Clinton was born, this was 'ok' by many communities across the nation. Who wouldn't want one more body whom can shovel dirt/sand into a bag, carry it to a spot, or help place it with thousands of others to keep flood waters at bay?

Of course, the tpnn being a political organization, will try to slam Hillary Clinton, because none of their canidates have a prayer in Heaven or Hell of winning against her in a straight up duel. Which is fairly typical of right wing organizations. This 'issue', they try to push as communism. Therefore, Hilly has to be a communist. Is tpnn aware this is 2015 and not the 'Era of McCarthy'? It does. Its audience however, is not!

For tpnn to be correct, that it does not take many people to educated, grow, and teach one child to be a good adult in life; then present me two parents with children that can become Ph.Ds without attending any sort of schooling system (be it public or private). You'll find only token and extreme examples that are possible. Making the concept mainstream, would be like making everyone a multi-billionaire and then declaring an end to poverty. In both cases, reality is ignored.

To bad tpnn can't bring up anything useful for Americans. Just another hate-filled, low information voter, 'news' site. Trying to dumb down Americans. Since an idiot is much easier to manipulate and control than a well informed, studied, learned, adult.

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PeonForHer

Is the more common view that children are their parents' property, then? Seems peculiar to me.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/16/msnbc-video-we-have-to-break-through-the-idea-that-kids-belong-to-their-parents/

Shades of the Clinton it takes a village. Take the responsibility of parenting a child and give it to government. Government is always right and parents are just wrong.

The Tea Party has its own 'news' agency now? What? Is FOX 'news' not enough?

This idea has been 'out in the airwaves' for over a year. In fact, if you study this lady's material, it goes father back. Why is it a 'news' story today? Did it take the author a full year to think up a half-witted argument?

I get a chuckle at the 'Obamapool Reflections', which is created by ANOTHER person from tpnn, Not, Melissa Harris-Perry. So you just know that 'poem' is full of shit, half baked truths, and devoid of anything really honest. Just like the Tea Party it serves....

So let's discussion this tpnn's author's ideas seriously....

"It takes a village to raise a child", is a title of a book from Mrs. Clinton. Its also an African proverb. Could even be argued the concept is far older. Many Native American tribes would collective teach children of the tribe as their own. Many cultures hold to it, that children needed to be nurtured to help the community when they were of age.

But we are not discussing ancient era concepts of humanity, but a modern political debate, by individuals belonging to a 'news' organization that have a poligical agenda (i.e. no integrity). While a child is the 'property' of their parents, they are not full property. If mishandled, mistreated, or abused, said child can and often is taken from the parent(s) by the state (i.e. the community). That most children are not home schooled (i.e. brainwashed), and thus, using community dollars (i.e. tax payer dollars), does imply a certain degree by which ownership of any individual child could be that of the community at large.

With the 14th, the technical concept of owning people as property straight out, was outlawed. However, if someone commits a criminal action, found guilty and placed in prison; are they not property of the state? If a child kills, found guilty and placed in a prison, are they too not property of the state?

Turning times of emergency, could it be said that teenagers might be drafted to help a community against an impending doom? Like rescuing a dam before it breaks during a massive flood that could wipe out the town they live in? Before Clinton was born, this was 'ok' by many communities across the nation. Who wouldn't want one more body whom can shovel dirt/sand into a bag, carry it to a spot, or help place it with thousands of others to keep flood waters at bay?

Of course, the tpnn being a political organization, will try to slam Hillary Clinton, because none of their canidates have a prayer in Heaven or Hell of winning against her in a straight up duel. Which is fairly typical of right wing organizations. This 'issue', they try to push as communism. Therefore, Hilly has to be a communist. Is tpnn aware this is 2015 and not the 'Era of McCarthy'? It does. Its audience however, is not!

For tpnn to be correct, that it does not take many people to educated, grow, and teach one child to be a good adult in life; then present me two parents with children that can become Ph.Ds without attending any sort of schooling system (be it public or private). You'll find only token and extreme examples that are possible. Making the concept mainstream, would be like making everyone a multi-billionaire and then declaring an end to poverty. In both cases, reality is ignored.

To bad tpnn can't bring up anything useful for Americans. Just another hate-filled, low information voter, 'news' site. Trying to dumb down Americans. Since an idiot is much easier to manipulate and control than a well informed, studied, learned, adult.

Joe The word belong to MSNBC’s Harris-Perry – America’s ‘Kids Belong to Their Communities’ Seems to be not an invention of TPNN

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PeonForHer

Is the more common view that children are their parents' property, then? Seems peculiar to me.

Only if you intrepret MSNBC's Harris Perry's word Belong as property.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

semantics matter...so...use them carefully.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/16/msnbc-video-we-have-to-break-through-the-idea-that-kids-belong-to-their-parents/

Shades of the Clinton it takes a village. Take the responsibility of parenting a child and give it to government. Government is always right and parents are just wrong.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
In both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany children belonged to the state, see a pattern here.

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

its only ok to own your children if you are strict christian, married heterosexual, middle class working parents.

I am a white, Christian, heterosexual, middle class, working parent. Formerly married. And I do not think that my child is "property" to 'own'. But he is my responsibility to raise, a responsibility that I chose to take on when I decided to have him. Not my neighbors, not my community, not the State. What kind of raising he gets, and what kind of man he grows up as, will depend on the decisions that his father and I make, since he does "belong" to our family. Which none of us owns, we make the decisions for us as members of that family.

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
In both the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany children belonged to the state, see a pattern here.

Perhaps if Hitler and Stalin were taken from their abusive parents and raised in more loving and nurturing environments, they wouldn't have become so twisted and evil.

In fact, when you think about every evil miscreant or criminal out there, the one common thread that keeps showing up is an abusive, unstable upbringing. It's something their parents did to them to make them that way. Bad parents account for more evil and murder in this world than the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and Red China combined.