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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/21/2015 6:45:16 PM   
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From your cite:

To be properly classified, a classification authority (an individual charged by the U.S. government with the right and responsibility to properly determine the level of classification and the reason for classification) must determine the appropriate classification level, as well as the reason information is to be classified. A determination must be made as to how and when the document will be declassified, and the document marked accordingly. Executive Order 13526 describes the reasons and requirements for information to be classified and declassified (Part 1). Individual agencies within the government develop guidelines for what information is classified and at what level.

The former decision is original classification. A great majority of classified documents are created by derivative classification. For example, if one piece of information, taken from a secret document, is put into a document along with 100 pages of unclassified information, the document, as a whole, will be secret. Proper (but often ignored) rules stipulate that every paragraph will bear a classification marking of (U) for Unclassified, (C) for Confidential, (S) for Secret, and (TS) for Top Secret. Therefore, in this example, only one paragraph will have the (S) marking. If the page containing that paragraph is double-sided, the page should be marked SECRET on top and bottom of both sides.[28]

A review of classification policies by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence aimed at developing a uniform classification policy and a single classification guide that could be used by the entire U.S. intelligence community found significant interagency differences that impaired cooperation and performance. The initial ODNI review, completed in January 2008,[citation needed] said in part, "The definitions of 'national security' and what constitutes 'intelligence'—and thus what must be classified—are unclear. ... Many interpretations exist concerning what constitutes harm or the degree of harm that might result from improper disclosure of the information, often leading to inconsistent or contradictory guidelines from different agencies. ... There appears to be no common understanding of classification levels among the classification guides reviewed by the team, nor any consistent guidance as to what constitutes 'damage,' 'serious damage,' or 'exceptionally grave damage' to national security. ... There is wide variance in application of classification levels."[29]

The review recommended that original classification authorities should specify clearly the basis for classifying information, for example, whether the sensitivity derives from the actual content of the information, the source, the method by which it was analyzed, or the date or location of its acquisition. Current policy requires that the classifier be "able" to describe the basis for classification but not that he or she in fact do so.[30]

Classification categories[edit]

Step 3 in the classification process is to assign a reason for the classification. Classification categories are marked by the number "1.4" followed by one or more letters (a) to (h):[28][31]
1.4(a) military plans, weapons systems, or operations;
1.4(b) foreign government information;
1.4(c) intelligence activities, sources, or methods, or cryptology;
1.4(d) foreign relations or foreign activities of the United States, including confidential sources;
1.4(e) scientific, technological or economic matters relating to national security; which includes defense against transnational terrorism;
1.4(f) United States Government programs for safeguarding nuclear materials or facilities;
1.4(g) vulnerabilities or capabilities of systems, installations, infrastructures, projects or plans, or protection services relating to the national security, which includes defense against transnational terrorism; and/or
1.4(h) the development, production, or use of weapons of mass destruction.


Whether information related to nuclear weapons can constitutionally be "born secret" as provided for by the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 has not been tested in the courts.

Guantanamo Bay detention camp has used a "presumptive classification" system to describe the statements of Guantanamo Bay detainees as classified. When challenged by Ammar al-Baluchi in the Guantanamo military commission hearing the 9/11 case,[32] the prosecution abandoned the practice.[33] Presumptive classification continues in the cases involving the habeas corpus petitions of Guantanamo Bay detainees.



Nothing is born secret.


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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/22/2015 7:37:52 AM   
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I liked the part where she was asked if she had her server wiped and she replied with " you mean did I dust it off" and made that wiping gesture. Don't need Maurie to tell that was a lie lol!

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/24/2015 11:11:30 AM   
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I liked the part where she was asked if she had her server wiped and she replied with " you mean did I dust it off" and made that wiping gesture. Don't need Maurie to tell that was a lie lol!

How exactly do you presume that a question is a lie? Are you really that ignorant or is it just plane stupidity?

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/26/2015 11:09:49 AM   
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"State Department can't find emails of top Clinton IT staffer"

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The State Department has told Senate investigators it cannot find backup copies of emails sent by Bryan Pagliano, the top Hillary Clinton IT staffer who maintained her email server but has asserted his Fifth Amendment right and refused to answer questions on the matter....

The department also told the committee the FBI has taken possession of Pagliano’s government computer system, where traces of the messages are most likely to be found, according to the letter.

Grassley, an Iowa Republican, has been considering whether to grant Pagliano immunity in exchange for testimony on who approved Clinton's private email setup and whether anyone raised any objections to the system. The controversy over her decision to bypass a government email address, which would have made her messages easier for reporters and the public to obtain, has dogged the presidential hopeful for much of the year, though it has subsided in recent weeks.

Pagliano — who worked for Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, then followed her to the State Department — has refused to discuss Clinton's email arrangement or his role in it, invoking his right against self-incrimination before the House Benghazi Committee earlier this fall...

Grassley had requested Pagliano’s emails to help inform his decision whether to grant Pagliano immunity.

“Given that the committee is unable to obtain [Pagliano’s] testimony at this time, I am seeking copies of his official State Department emails relevant to the Committee’s inquiry before proceeding to consider whether it might be appropriate to grant him immunity and compel his testimony,” Grassley's letter states. It notes that such emails are a “top priority” in a list of several outstanding Clinton-related inquiries the panel has sent to the department...

Grassley encouraged State to continue searching for Pagliano’s emails by looking at the back-up email files of other State employees he may have emailed about the Clinton server. He letter seeks “a full and detailed written explanation of why it failed to maintain an archive, copy, or backup of Mr. Pagliano’s email file,” among other requests related to the IT staffer's emails...


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bryan-pagliano-emails-state-department-216679#ixzz3vLP2nzwU

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/26/2015 2:22:15 PM   
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Just dropped by to say I like the title of this thread.

"Hillary Probed"

I envision something electrical, hopefully runs on 240 volts and requires high amp electrical service.

T^T

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/26/2015 2:34:42 PM   
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Just dropped by to say I like the title of this thread.

"Hillary Probed"

I envision something electrical, hopefully runs on 240 volts and requires high amp electrical service.


The story I heard was that she had a vibrator powered by an lt1 and fried the motor on it's first try. Slick willie calls her thunder thighs.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/28/2015 6:15:44 PM   
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there is nothing in what you posted from what I provided that supports your position.

but since you ignored the information contained within the other links, ive selected out the relevant parts:

quote:

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be 'presumed' classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.

'It's born classified,' said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the White House's National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

'If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it's in U.S. channels and U.S. possession,' he said in a telephone interview,

Although it appears to be true for Clinton to say none of her emails included classification markings, a point she and her staff have emphasized, the government's standard nondisclosure agreement warns people authorized to handle classified information that it may not be marked that way

July 24, 2015 – Andrea Williams, spokeswoman for the McCulloush [the inspector general for the U.S. intelligence community], says that the emails 'were classified when they were sent and are classified now.'


http://www.newsusauk.com/news/97102-hillary-clinton-s-emails-with-foreign-government-information-were-born-classified.html

tens of thousands of messages are sent. do you think there's some person out there, to whom all messages must be sent to in order for them to receive "classified" status, as opposed to some communications, by the very nature of who they come from and what they contain, are on the basis of those characteristics, already classified? those are essentially the two choices at hand...the former is incredibly stupid to the point of impracticable. the latter is the method the people above (and the information from me that you posted back) are referring to.

maybe you can write the inspector general and the former director of the governments information security oversight office and tell them they are "morons?"

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/28/2015 7:30:24 PM   
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there is nothing in what you posted from what I provided that supports your position.

Step 3 in the classification process is to assign a reason for the classification. Classification categories are marked by the number "1.4" followed by one or more letters (a) to (h):[28][31]

Nothing is born classified



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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/31/2015 4:44:33 AM   
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Did ya all know Hillary emails all can be read over here?

Perhaps it's been posted before already! But it looks quite boring, as she said! But I guess they aren't gonna release any sensitive info ones anyway! Ha!


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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/31/2015 6:05:18 AM   
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Did ya all know Hillary emails all can be read over here?

Perhaps it's been posted before already! But it looks quite boring, as she said! But I guess they aren't gonna release any sensitive info ones anyway! Ha!


I cannot understand why anyone would be interested in what that mindless cunt would have to say.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/31/2015 10:07:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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Just dropped by to say I like the title of this thread.

"Hillary Probed"

I envision something electrical, hopefully runs on 240 volts and requires high amp electrical service.


The story I heard was that she had a vibrator powered by an lt1 and fried the motor on it's first try. Slick willie calls her thunder thighs.


During one of the coverups for Bill's rapes, one of the victims threatened to tell Hillary. Bill's reply was reported to be... Go ahead. She's licked more pussy than I have.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/31/2015 10:10:58 AM   
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there is nothing in what you posted from what I provided that supports your position.

Step 3 in the classification process is to assign a reason for the classification. Classification categories are marked by the number "1.4" followed by one or more letters (a) to (h):[28][31]

Nothing is born classified




One again factually wrong.

In the first year of his administration (December 29, 2009, to be exact), President Obama issued Executive Order 13526, entitled “Classified National Security Information.” It explains that information is deemed classified if its disclosure would cause “damage to the national security.” Beyond that, whether the classified information is categorized as “top secret,” “secret,” or “confidential” depends on how serious the damage would be. With that as background, the order makes clear that there is one category of information that is automatically deemed classified: information from foreign governments. Section 1.1(d) of the executive order decrees: “The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security.” The reason for this is plain: It is not just the often sensitive nature of diplomatic communications; it is the fact that, in order to protect our national security, the United States must rely on intelligence from foreign governments; if our government does not keep that information strictly confidential, the foreign governments will be unwilling to share it – endangering American lives. As Secretary of State, Clinton not only knew this elementary rule; it was her duty to ensure that the rule was followed throughout her department.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/423362/clinton-emails-were-born-classified-andrew-c-mccarthy

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RE: Hillary Probed - 12/31/2015 1:35:22 PM   
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there is nothing in what you posted from what I provided that supports your position.

Step 3 in the classification process is to assign a reason for the classification. Classification categories are marked by the number "1.4" followed by one or more letters (a) to (h):[28][31]

Nothing is born classified




and once again, to echo phydeaux above me, you completely ignored my other post with the pertinent/relevant information in bold, from the very people who work with that sort of information.

is there something wrong with you?

wanna keep trying?

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/1/2016 9:40:41 AM   
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there is nothing in what you posted from what I provided that supports your position.

Step 3 in the classification process is to assign a reason for the classification. Classification categories are marked by the number "1.4" followed by one or more letters (a) to (h):[28][31]

Nothing is born classified




One again factually wrong.


No...once again factually correct. From your cite:
information is deemed classified if its disclosure would cause “damage to the national security.”



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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/1/2016 9:43:32 AM   
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Step 3 in the classification process is to assign a reason for the classification. Classification categories are marked by the number "1.4" followed by one or more letters (a) to (h):[28][31]

Nothing is born classified


and once again, to echo phydeaux


That echo is generated by the blank space between your ears.



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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/1/2016 12:13:39 PM   
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Although technically not correct, (see Part 1, Section 1.1d The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security. of EO 13529) it is otherwise correct apparently.

quote:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-release-more-clinton-emails-falls-short-goal-181523539--election.html?nhp=1

The State Department said Thursday that portions of 275 emails released on New Year's Eve from Hillary Clinton's time as secretary of state have been newly classified, bringing 2015 to a close for the Democratic presidential front-runner.

Clinton has said she didn't send or receive information that was classified at the time via her personal email account, which was run on a private server at her New York home. Republicans have repeatedly questioned whether her use of a private email system put sensitive information at risk.

In all, the State Department said 1,274 of Clinton's emails have been retroactively classified since the department started reviewing them for public release.

Two emails released Thursday were designated "secret," the second-highest level of classification, which applies to information that could cause serious damage to national security if released. Most of the emails were classified "confidential," which is the lowest level of classification.

In a statement Thursday night, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said, "With more than 1,250 emails containing classified information now uncovered, Hillary Clinton's decision to put secrecy over national security by exclusively operating off of a secret email server looks even more reckless."

About 5,500 pages of Clinton emails were released on the final day of 2015. Here's a look at what was in the latest batch:



This means that either the classification authority abused their authority by not mandating appropriate classification or they were involving originally classified information as designated by President Obama. Not sure which. Didn't search all 5,500 pages to try and figure it out.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/1/2016 4:57:01 PM   
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Although technically not correct, (see Part 1, Section 1.1d The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security. of EO 13529) it is otherwise correct apparently.
This means that either the classification authority abused their authority by not mandating appropriate classification or they were involving originally classified information as designated by President Obama. Not sure which. Didn't search all 5,500 pages to try and figure it out.

What it means is that the classifying authority needs to look at the communication and decide if "merry christmas wishes" from a foriegn govt constitutes a threat to national security. Thus nothing is born classified.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/1/2016 6:59:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Although technically not correct, (see Part 1, Section 1.1d The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security. of EO 13529) it is otherwise correct apparently.
This means that either the classification authority abused their authority by not mandating appropriate classification or they were involving originally classified information as designated by President Obama. Not sure which. Didn't search all 5,500 pages to try and figure it out.

What it means is that the classifying authority needs to look at the communication and decide if "merry christmas wishes" from a foriegn govt constitutes a threat to national security. Thus nothing is born classified.


No. What it means is that it is classified until the classification process decides its not. You have ignored multiple statements by the people responsible for these exact determinations.

And for the record - if you look at a large part of snowden's classified documents - it is exactly that. Meaningless well wishing, and conversation of no impact. Classified because they were conversations from foreign governments. While I don't support classifying this crap, it was classified by default, and ISOO and other agencies are slow to unclassify anything.

quote:

'It's born classified,' said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO)


So what we have here is the opinion of an internet troll (thomsponx) saying nothing is born classified, and William Leonard, former director of the ISOO, who served under her husband, directly contradicting him.

yeah. I think I"ll believe the troll.

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/2/2016 4:01:27 AM   
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Although technically not correct, (see Part 1, Section 1.1d The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security. of EO 13529) it is otherwise correct apparently.
This means that either the classification authority abused their authority by not mandating appropriate classification or they were involving originally classified information as designated by President Obama. Not sure which. Didn't search all 5,500 pages to try and figure it out.

What it means is that the classifying authority needs to look at the communication and decide if "merry christmas wishes" from a foriegn govt constitutes a threat to national security. Thus nothing is born classified.


No. What it means is that it is classified until the classification process decides its not.


Wrong again as usual. It is the clasifying authorities job to assign classification as the cites provided by bounty clearly show.

You have ignored multiple statements by the people responsible for these exact determinations.

Not so...the opinions were from someone who had previously been involved in that department.

And for the record - if you look at a large part of snowden's classified documents - it is exactly that. Meaningless well wishing, and conversation of no impact. Classified because they were conversations from foreign governments. While I don't support classifying this crap, it was classified by default, and ISOO and other agencies are slow to unclassify anything.

Opinions are a lot like assholes...everyone has one and everyone believes that thiers works best for them...you are no exception.

'It's born classified,' said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO)

Opinion and not fact as demonstrated by the cites provided by bounty.

So what we have here is the opinion of an internet troll (thomsponx) saying nothing is born classified, and William Leonard, former director of the ISOO, who served under her husband, directly contradicting him.

With his opinion

yeah. I think I"ll believe the troll.

As usual you will believe what you choose to believe. Do you still believe in the "hydrogen highway"?

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RE: Hillary Probed - 1/2/2016 5:29:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Although technically not correct, (see Part 1, Section 1.1d The unauthorized disclosure of foreign government information is presumed to cause damage to the national security. of EO 13529) it is otherwise correct apparently.
This means that either the classification authority abused their authority by not mandating appropriate classification or they were involving originally classified information as designated by President Obama. Not sure which. Didn't search all 5,500 pages to try and figure it out.

What it means is that the classifying authority needs to look at the communication and decide if "merry christmas wishes" from a foriegn govt constitutes a threat to national security. Thus nothing is born classified.

So you are saying that the EO is invalid then and nothing is classifed or what? Obama did it, not me. I agreed with the majority of what you said, so please explain why Obama said otherwise. And A greeting I would agree isn't classified, however, what else was said? I surely don't know. If you hae inside information, I would surely like to see it.

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