DesideriScuri
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http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/characteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf
All Workers Paid Hourly age 16+: 77.207MTotal paid at or below Minimum: 2.992MAt minimum: 1.255M
Below Minimum: 1.737M
That's 3.9% of all workers paid an hourly wage ages 16+ are paid at or below minimum wage.
77.2M is just a little under HALF of all US workers (its about 148.3M according to the BLS for June 2015).
This number, 77.2M, is deceptive. Since it is counting....ALL jobs.....not just those in a particular area of sector.
But we are not having a discussion on how many are paid at or near $7.25/hour. We are discussing those paid under $15/hour. What percentage of the 77.2M your quoting is paid at or below this number?
Seriously? It's "deceptive?" It's not deceptive, it's reporting. And, I took great care to list out the qualifications of those numbers. Did you see the link, so you can look at the numbers yourself?
You need to head back to my response you're responding to, and see who I was discussing things with, and what we were discussing.
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That's 42%. Which raises your "...3%..." argument towards the 'absurd' category rather quickly.
So nearly half the people whom are paid hourly are more likely to be living on welfare in one form or another.
Any proof of that claim?
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Full-Time/Part-Time Status:FT: 1.031M (34.5% of those paid at or below minimum wage)
PT: 1.954M (65.4% of those paid at or below minimum wage)
How many of those part timers work more than one job? How many of those full timers work an additional part time job?
What percentage of these workers are so over worked they rarely get to see the kids they are raising? Go to their school events? Help them with homework? Be a full time parent (because the job does require it in some cases)?
I see them every day, DS. These people are in a system they can not get out on their own. EVER. They work to exhaustion. And the effects it has on their children are generally not positive. Yet those making $15/hours a week can have a much more normal existence. In fact, those working for just $3/hour an hour are more active with their children!
Seriously? You tell me, Joether. How many of those 77M are "so overworked" they rarely get to see their kids?
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The vast majority are part-time workers (no mention of it being by choice or not).
Race*:Asian: 0.109M (3.6% of the total)
Hispanic/Latino*: 0.519M (17.3% of the total)
Black: 0.480M (16.0% of the total)
White: 2.284M (76.3% of the total)
[* Estimates for the race groups—White, Black or African American, and Asian —do not sum to totals because data are not presented for all races. Persons whose ethnicity is identified as Hispanic or Latino may be of any race.]
Again, how many work more than just one job?
See above.
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Service Occupations: Total Paid Hourly Wages: 18.762MTotal At or Below Minimum Wage: 1.958M (10.4% of those in service occupations; 66.7% of all those paid at or below minimum, regardless of industry) at minimum wage: 0.595M (30.4% of those in service occupations at or below minimum)
Below minimum: 1.363M (69.6% of those in service occupations at or below minimum)
- Healthcare support occupations (Total/At/Below): 85K/29K/56K
- Personal Care and Service occupations (Total/At/Below): 182K/112K/50K
- Food Prep and Service Related (Total/At/Below): 1.501M/378M/1.123M
Imagine if all these people were paid above the federal poverty rate? And the State Poverty Rate? Would they be more motivated to do good things?
Because that white stuff on your burger, *ISN'T*, cheese....
Uh huh. I'm sure that guy that was stumped when I handed more paper money than necessary and proper change is worth the extra money.
What happened at the height of the housing bubble, when unemployment was low, and fast food joints around me (no idea what they were doing anywhere else) were offering $10/hr. for burger flippers and fry fryers?
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The majority of those being paid at or below minimum wage have never been married (65.8%). The largest segment of people being paid hourly at or below the minimum wage are 16-24 years old and never married (45.6%). 22% of people being paid at or below the minimum wage are married, with the spouse present (12.2% have a different marital status).
Why have they never been married?
Maybe because getting married is a costly affair and people want it for love rather than a tax deduction. There is a time to be 'cold' with the numbers and a time to be 'human' with reality. Got to known to do both, DS! Many couples do not get married yet live as such for years. Does your source give this information? No, there is no way to collect such information realistically. Yet, we all know people whom are living with someone that they plan on marrying.
Then, why are you asking for it? I acknowledge the data isn't perfect. I even mentioned some questions about that, too. But, I think it's a horrible idea to form policy based on anecdotal evidence that isn't realistically possible to collect. I'm sure you would, too, as long as it didn't fit your agenda.
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I wish there was a break down of whether or not the earner is supporting a family or not.
In general terms, both parents work the less the house hold earns in a given year. That number seems to be about $90K/year per individual worker. So if one of two parents makes $150,000/year, its very likely the other is a 'stay at home dad/mom'. Assuming they are not burning through cash like I do logs in the winter time! This is also regional base. In the Northeast, that number will be higher than the mid-west.
Just my own observation given working with a CFP at times.....
Yet, there was no breakdown of that. Sorta hard to form policy without that stuff isn't it?
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I will say that homecare workers can be worth more than their weight in gold, if they're really good. But, raising the minimum wage to $15 (or even $10) just so they make more money, is a big of a lark. I can't even imagine how those workers can't (or just haven't) Unionized to get better compensation.
All good people are worth their weight in anti-matter, not just gold. An if they were paid well, this planet would be a better place. I think you could readily agree to that!
What is the real problem you have in paying workers above the poverty level? Given your 'stance' on limited government? Yes, I understand your in favor of helping the truly needed. Yet, the point of this thread is that 42% of hourly workers in this nation make less than $15/hour.. Want to try for salary workers?
US Army? I'm sure the other branches are quite similar. Shouldn't we pay our enlisted a real wage? Its not like they do anything major, right....
...like defend the nation.....
The political parties you seem to favor have been doing an....AMAZINGLY....good job at getting the population to demonize Unions. Your 'pal' Scott Walker has led the charge to undermining the Union. Unions tend to fight for those NOT making 'pile loads of money a month' yet work longer hours and handle 90-99% of the business operations. But 'thanks' to conservative political misinformation media machines running 24/7/365, has steady convince people that Unions are bad/evil/criminal.
The same organizations that gave us, the US Workforce a pile of benefits since their inception in the 19th century!
Come on DS, Vote Democrat in the next general election. We have cookies!
1. I doubt I'd like your cookies.
2. Handouts are giving a guy a fish, in that adage.
3. With even less incentive to do better, why would people work so hard to do so?
Why stop at $15/hr?
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- Help for the truly needy
- Limited Government
- Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
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That'll pwove minimum wage isn't high enough! 
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