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Politesub53 -> Firebombs kill Palestinian child (7/31/2015 5:02:45 PM)
Not for the first time firebombs are used in the continued ethnic cleansing of palestinians. Many wont admit this kind of stuff is going on in the name of the Israeli settler movement, resulting in the death of an 18 month old child. This wont stop until the worlds leaders say enough is enough and mean it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33739351

kdsub -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (7/31/2015 5:14:07 PM)
It seems to me that Israel feels the same as you and I about this despicable murder. Shouldn't you give them a chance to catch and prosecute them? Maybe I am wrong but even with a war going on didn't Israel catch and prosecute the killers that started the last war? Butch

Politesub53 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (7/31/2015 5:41:24 PM)
This isnt the first time this has happened though. The whole point is that all the time lesser levels of violence by the settlers are ignored, this was bound to happen again.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (7/31/2015 7:38:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Not for the first time firebombs are used in the continued ethnic cleansing of palestinians. Many wont admit this kind of stuff is going on in the name of the Israeli settler movement, resulting in the death of an 18 month old child. This wont stop until the worlds leaders say enough is enough and mean it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33739351 quote: Israel has vowed to catch arsonists, suspected to be Jewish settlers, who killed a Palestinian infant in a firebomb attack on a West Bank village. I believe enough in "innocent until proven guilty" that I think it should be applied to everyone, US Citizen or not. Until they catch the arsonists, and they are proven to be Jewish settlers, I think we should all wait before blaming anyone, any government, and/or exacting revenge (until you know who did it, how can you appropriately exact revenge?). Once they catch the arsonist(s), I fully support a punishment/sentence that is appropriate for that act, in that area.

joether -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 12:11:40 AM)
None of this will end until one of three things happens: 1 ) Both sides are dead. 2 ) Both sides are left with a zone of land that is one foot above sea level (i.e. bulldoze down everything). 3 ) Mind wipe them all. #1 is very violent. #2 is costly. #3 Is not likely to happen. They are a damned people. They fight over scraps when they should be building great structures together. Rather than war, plant food together. Not wrestle hands around the opposing throat, but around their waists in hugs. They will never be peaceful nor find peace. I doubt if God stepped down from the Heavens and told both of them "get along!" they still could not do that. More and more bloodshed will take place there. For the good people that remain there....move. Move away to places else where.

Politesub53 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 3:48:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Not for the first time firebombs are used in the continued ethnic cleansing of palestinians. Many wont admit this kind of stuff is going on in the name of the Israeli settler movement, resulting in the death of an 18 month old child. This wont stop until the worlds leaders say enough is enough and mean it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33739351 quote: Israel has vowed to catch arsonists, suspected to be Jewish settlers, who killed a Palestinian infant in a firebomb attack on a West Bank village. I believe enough in "innocent until proven guilty" that I think it should be applied to everyone, US Citizen or not. Until they catch the arsonists, and they are proven to be Jewish settlers, I think we should all wait before blaming anyone, any government, and/or exacting revenge (until you know who did it, how can you appropriately exact revenge?). Once they catch the arsonist(s), I fully support a punishment/sentence that is appropriate for that act, in that area. WTF were you reading, because it surely wasnt the link. Even Netanyahu called it a terrorist attack and Stevie Wonder could have seen it was carried out by someone from the settler movement. And yes, I saw the part you highlighted with Italics.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 5:57:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Not for the first time firebombs are used in the continued ethnic cleansing of palestinians. Many wont admit this kind of stuff is going on in the name of the Israeli settler movement, resulting in the death of an 18 month old child. This wont stop until the worlds leaders say enough is enough and mean it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33739351 quote: Israel has vowed to catch arsonists, suspected to be Jewish settlers, who killed a Palestinian infant in a firebomb attack on a West Bank village. I believe enough in "innocent until proven guilty" that I think it should be applied to everyone, US Citizen or not. Until they catch the arsonists, and they are proven to be Jewish settlers, I think we should all wait before blaming anyone, any government, and/or exacting revenge (until you know who did it, how can you appropriately exact revenge?). Once they catch the arsonist(s), I fully support a punishment/sentence that is appropriate for that act, in that area. WTF were you reading, because it surely wasnt the link. Even Netanyahu called it a terrorist attack and Stevie Wonder could have seen it was carried out by someone from the settler movement. And yes, I saw the part you highlighted with Italics. WTF was I reading? It surely wasn't the link? It was the beginning of your link! I'm not saying it wasn't a Jewish settler. Calling it a terrorist attack is one thing, but stating who did it takes more evidence. Other than probable motive, and that it was done to a Palestinian home (I'm sure there couldn't be any possible way a pro-Pallestinian person/group could do that to make it look like a Jewish settle. [8\|] ), what concrete proof do you have that it was a Jewish settler? Regardless, I support appropriate penalty/sentencing for the person/group that committed the act.

kdsub -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 8:05:01 AM)
These ultra-conservatives have attacked their fellow Jews and the Israeli military in the recent past. There is no government complicity or secret support. I do believe the authorities are doing their best to arrest them. I don't know your direction with this thread but if it is to insinuate there atrosities are sanctioned by the government I cannot agree with you. But we both want justice for the victims. Butch

tweakabelle -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 9:58:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Other than probable motive, and that it was done to a Palestinian home (I'm sure there couldn't be any possible way a pro-Pallestinian person/group could do that to make it look like a Jewish settle. [8\|] ), what concrete proof do you have that it was a Jewish settler? Regardless, I support appropriate penalty/sentencing for the person/group that committed the act. The thugs who carried out this crime left a graffitied message in Hebrew reading "revenge" under a Star of David sign painted on the side of the house they torched. The act is consistent with so called 'price tag' attacks carried out by Israeli settlers/terrorists, which target Palestinians and their property for reprisal attack on the rare occasions when the Israeli Govt acts against settlers. The attack was preceded by the Israeli Govt (reluctantly, under a Surpreme Court order) dismantling a few illegal (even by Israeli standards) structures erected by settlers. And of course there is a long history of persistent settler attacks on Palestinians their property and land about which the Israeli Govt does absolutely nothing, in fact the IDF is often complicit with these attacks. Short of taking selfies, posting them on Facebook and/or personally autographing their dirty work, it's difficult to see how the settler terrorists could have made their authorship of this crime more obvious.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 11:43:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Other than probable motive, and that it was done to a Palestinian home (I'm sure there couldn't be any possible way a pro-Pallestinian person/group could do that to make it look like a Jewish settle. [8\|] ), what concrete proof do you have that it was a Jewish settler? Regardless, I support appropriate penalty/sentencing for the person/group that committed the act. The thugs who carried out this crime left a graffitied message in Hebrew reading "revenge" under a Star of David sign painted on the side of the house they torched. The act is consistent with so called 'price tag' attacks carried out by Israeli settlers/terrorists, which target Palestinians and their property for reprisal attack on the rare occasions when the Israeli Govt acts against settlers. The attack was preceded by the Israeli Govt (reluctantly, under a Surpreme Court order) dismantling a few illegal (even by Israeli standards) structures erected by settlers. And of course there is a long history of persistent settler attacks on Palestinians their property and land about which the Israeli Govt does absolutely nothing, in fact the IDF is often complicit with these attacks. Short of taking selfies, posting them on Facebook and/or personally autographing their dirty work, it's difficult to see how the settler terrorists could have made their authorship of this crime more obvious. It must just be a Jewish settler thing to know Hebrew. Or, is it only Jewish settlers and non-Jewish settlers who don't know Hebrew, are the only ones allowed to buy paint? [8\|] There's no way it could have been Hamas, in an attempt to increase international condemnation against Jewish settlers? I'm not saying they did it, either, but simply offering a possible explanation to demonstrate how it's not guaranteed that it was a Jewish settler. Jewish settler or not, I still support the person (or group) responsible for this to be held accountable and face a punishment/penalty/sentence that is appropriate for the crime in that area. I'm not saying it wasn't a Jewish settler. I'm saying let's not jump to conclusions yet.

PeonForHer -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 4:20:35 PM)
FR Right, the competition's obviously on: which country can perpetrate the most hideously nasty atrocity? It's the 21st Century now and there's everything to play for. We cannot let our ancestors beat us - after all, what's the point in human progress if we can't be shittier towards people than we've managed in the past?

Politesub53 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 4:27:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri WTF was I reading? It surely wasn't the link? It was the beginning of your link! I'm not saying it wasn't a Jewish settler. Calling it a terrorist attack is one thing, but stating who did it takes more evidence. Other than probable motive, and that it was done to a Palestinian home (I'm sure there couldn't be any possible way a pro-Pallestinian person/group could do that to make it look like a Jewish settle. [8\|] ), what concrete proof do you have that it was a Jewish settler? Regardless, I support appropriate penalty/sentencing for the person/group that committed the act. This is just fucking incredible. Could you be any more blinkered ?

Politesub53 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 4:29:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub These ultra-conservatives have attacked their fellow Jews and the Israeli military in the recent past. There is no government complicity or secret support. I do believe the authorities are doing their best to arrest them. I don't know your direction with this thread but if it is to insinuate there atrosities are sanctioned by the government I cannot agree with you. But we both want justice for the victims. Butch My direction was clear enough, even for you. I even stated my view earlier that the cause was the Israeli government turning a blind eye to lesser acts of violence. The thread will probably go the way of all threads about such topics, since many of you seem impervious to the ethnic cleasing taking place.

Moderator17 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 4:45:23 PM)
Threads don't disappear because people are impervious to ethnic cleansing taking place. The causes are too many attack posts, going further than feisty allows and posters deciding they don't care.

Politesub53 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 5:12:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moderator17 Threads don't disappear because people are impervious to ethnic cleansing taking place. The causes are too many attack posts, going further than feisty allows and posters deciding they don't care. My apologies....... I wasnt having a dig at the moderators. I just know some of the comments the thread is likely to attract.

kdsub -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 6:56:35 PM)
Some may just disagree with you...at least when it comes to this particular incident. It is not an attack if I believe the Israeli authorities are just as appalled at the actions of these nuts. This is the kind of thing that can start another war and I don't think either side wants that just now. Don't think I am agreeing with the land grabs because i am not. Butch

DesideriScuri -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/1/2015 9:44:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri WTF was I reading? It surely wasn't the link? It was the beginning of your link! I'm not saying it wasn't a Jewish settler. Calling it a terrorist attack is one thing, but stating who did it takes more evidence. Other than probable motive, and that it was done to a Palestinian home (I'm sure there couldn't be any possible way a pro-Pallestinian person/group could do that to make it look like a Jewish settle. [8\|] ), what concrete proof do you have that it was a Jewish settler? Regardless, I support appropriate penalty/sentencing for the person/group that committed the act. This is just fucking incredible. Could you be any more blinkered ? Coming from you, I have no problem being called "blinkered." I'm used to being called "fucking incredible," though. [:D] Is it really that crazy that a group could attempt to frame Jewish settlers? And, once again, I'm not saying there's no way it could have been Jewish settlers. All I'm saying is that before we jump to conclusions, let's find the truth. And, once again, regardless of who is responsible for this act (even if it was Netanyahu himself), I support the appropriate penalty/sentencing according to the laws there.

tweakabelle -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/2/2015 12:55:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Some may just disagree with you...at least when it comes to this particular incident. It is not an attack if I believe the Israeli authorities are just as appalled at the actions of these nuts. This is the kind of thing that can start another war and I don't think either side wants that just now. Don't think I am agreeing with the land grabs because i am not. Butch kd, the suggestion is that the Israeli authorities have a long history of allowing the settlers/colonists to attack Palestinians more or less at will, with no legal consequences. There are innumerable accounts of the IDF either protecting the settlers as they go on their vicious rampages through Palestinian villages, destroying property livestock olive trees houses and often attacking Palestinians bodily, or worse still even joining in the attacks. There is no doubt that the IDF has joined in these attacks on many occasions. There is a mountain of video evidence at You Tube for anyone who needs confirmation of these allegations. Arrests of settlers for these crimes is almost unheard of. It takes a particularly vicious incident before the Israeli Govt takes any action against the settler/colonist thugs responsible, such as the case last year when a Palestinian youth was burned to death. IOW these settler/colonist thugs operate in a climate of almost complete impunity. Sadly it is inevitable that the settlers/colonists would go too far and there would be a tragedy such as we see in this case. Attacks by settlers/colonists on Palestinians in the West Bank are daily occurance, an integral part of Israel's policy of ethnically cleansing the West Bank of its native population. These attacks could have been stopped a long time ago if the Israeli authorities had the will to do so. For as long as the authorities looked the other way (or even joined in these attacks) the attacks were going to escalate until the inevitable tragedy occurs. While there appears to be genuine revulsion in Israel at this incident, there is no doubt that lower level violence against Palestinians was tolerated or even encouraged as part of the official policy of ethnic cleansing . If Israel has met its obligations under international law to protect Palestinians, this attack might never have happened. If Israel had taken action against the fanatics long ago, this attack might never have happened. It is fair that the Israeli Govt must bear some, if not most, of the responsibility for this attack - it is their negligence and complicity that allows and encourages these attacks to happen. It will continue to bear responsibility, both legally and morally for these attacks as long as it continues its abhorrent policy of ethnic cleansing.

Politesub53 -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/2/2015 6:40:15 AM)
Tweaks nails it once again........ It wasnt difficult to follow. DS....... I havent seen anything anywhere which supports your theory, so the blinkered comments still stand. Butch, it isnt land grabing it is ethnic cleansing. If you have any doubts a simple read of the following will help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaization_of_Jerusalem

DesideriScuri -> RE: Firebombs kill Palestinian child (8/2/2015 7:15:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 DS....... I havent seen anything anywhere which supports your theory, so the blinkered comments still stand. Supports what theory? That we shouldn't jump to conclusions until it's known who is really responsible? That's not a theory. That should be a method.

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