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Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 5:47:40 AM

KenDckey

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https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/meet-the-12-year-old-with-a-higher-iq-than-stephen-125857793082.html

UK schools should hold this student back. She is way to intellegent and makes the other students and teachers look bad hurting their feelings. She makes the courses she has to take seem overly cumbersome. Maybe they should suspend her for her obvious talent for hurting others and discrimination because of her IQ.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 6:30:22 AM

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umm....what? Not sure if sarcasm or stupidity....

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 6:34:06 AM

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I hope its sarcasm.... the derp is strong otherwise.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 6:55:13 AM

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It is a mixture of both. Yes because all people should be treated equally in all things as I understand the muses of those on the left. No because I had a step grand daughter that graduated HS with a 4.0 during her junior year and was therefore ineligible for any kind of grant or scolarship (including government) because of that. So instead of encouraging the most intelligent, we discourage them from using it. She wanted to go into Med School and even took a few classes, but the family couldn't afford it. She is now a bank teller.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 7:02:59 AM

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I dunno if you know this but the UK system and the US system, are VERY different.

so applying your"americentric" view, is kind of redundant.
This isnt a story of how the govmnt is holding kids back, this is about a 12 year old who has a score of 162 . No mention of her plans for education until she can go to uni, in fact she will probably get to go to a damn fine uni in the UK
This is just a whine about your step grandaughter and american rules.
I understand you feeeling upset for her, I would be too, but this link has nothing to do with the issues with the american education system.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 7:16:27 AM

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If anything the UK education system is something the american education should aspire to be more like; one that rewards intelligence instead of ignoring it or putting it down. I find it funny how Ken is frustrated that his granddaughter and her family can't afford for her to go to school and yet it's his kind of people who try to end the implementation of social programs or higher wage legislation which would help many students afford a solid education.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 8:08:01 AM

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I do knock social passing of students. I support academic passing tho. As for higher education, I think to much is made on variables other than ability. I think emphasis on race, sat, etc is wrong. All that desire should be given the opportunity. If they fail, so be it. If not that is good. I support votech education for those that desire it. An A&P license or an electrician journeyman certificate are equal to an AA degree. You don't get them without demonstrated performance and "paying your dues".

As for the educational system of other countries, it is correct I don't know and don't much care about them. I am not seriously considering modeling our system to theirs. However, if there is something out there that we can beg, borrow or steal, more power to them.

My point here, has nothing to do with the country that she is from, is that intelligence in our country is something that is beaten down. My understanding from those on the other side of the aisle is unfair to the other students that are not as intelligent. Something to be despised. Jock, etc are much more important.

I support all the education that we can afford. That is the way to the future progress of this country. I feel that our current educational system is dumbing down our youth and therefore our nation. I don't see an emphasis in history and the lessons we can learn from them. Don't see the lessons that we can learn from the arts (even tho I disagreed and therefore failed at conventional wisdom because I saw scribbling where they saw great art = one example is picasso. I am more of a realist).

I see our system, instead of educating our youth, more interested in statistics than education. Raises, not always of course, are based upon how high students perform on tests. Not the ability of the student to absorbe the information or how it was presented. My son recently got into a disagreement with a teacher at school. The teacher assigned a computer research homework project. They weren't allowed to use school books (which are in storage - he also works for the district) because they didn't meet common core requirements. My son told the teacher that his kids are only allowed on the computer for 30 minutes per day. The teacher said that was unrealistic in today's society. Those kids without computers failed because the libraries were closed due to lack of funds. So did my grandchild. My grand child's grade was reversed and was given an A because my son argued with the teacher (a little known district policy). Students at that school were not allowed to do schoolwork in the school library during study period because they had to stay in the proper classroom. How is this educating? No text books, no access to school computers unless you are taking computer (an elective in that district).

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 9:13:56 AM

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I agree completely Ken, but when liberals like myself say they want equal education for everyone, we don't think that everything must be fair and equal and that you can only be as good as the least intelligent student. Everyone should have access to good education, and it's up to the individual to put in the effort if they want to succeed. Some people simply aren't smart enough to go to college or university, but they should at least have the chance to try if they so desire.

I talked to a guy in germany once and he was saying that the government funds secondary education, but he didn't get into university because he wasn't smart enough. Frankly that's fair. It's a system based around rewarding one's natural abilities and hard work, not one that rewards people for how much money their family has.

The only way this problem can be overcome is by removing profit from colleges and universities, or at least making it easier for students to pay for secondary education. There are a number of ways this can happen, but all of which would require taxes to be increased so students who aren't as wealthy aren't left out. This flies in the face of typical conservative "small government" and "free market" arguments, so I'm actually proud of you Ken, well done

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 9:28:14 AM

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A lot of our school funds are squandered on crap. My ex and I were pulling in over 8K net when my son was in HS (over 20 years ago), yet he was going to be expelled if we didn't send in his request for free lunch. so we did it. He qualified.

My son that works for a school district says they buy new books every year and store them so they don't lose that funding. When they closed one of their schools it was turned into a warehouse for new books, desks, etc.

I agree that college is way to expensive, but I am not sure if we can nationalize them to eliminate the "profit" factor or to get teachers to educate instead of indrotinate. Nothing more hateful than a teacher/prof that will fail you because you don't believe his indoctronation process. I had them. I failed. I wasn't in favor of his point of view, which had nothing to do with the subject but he was forcing it into the class.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 10:07:58 AM

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I'm not sure how getting teachers to "educate not indoctrinate" would open up more opportunities for low income families. Secondary education will be just as expensive and out of reach for these people, even if they are the most intelligent individuals.

As for indoctrination vs education, there are some things in education which are simply fact, such as the basics of science, although you can definitely get a little more loose with different possibilities when you get into the more cutting edge theories and hypotheses. But things which require interpretation or opinions such as history, english, or business, then I can completely agree. Some teachers or profs can be just as narrow minded to other possibilities as the westboro baptist church, and I agree that this should be frowned upon and prevented as much as possible.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 12:05:25 PM

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Yeah I was going to give a paper on the Imperial dynisty of Ethiopia. Their records trace it back to King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba and Menelik I. I was told no because Menelik's parents are biblical and you can't mention biblical characters. It was a philosophy paper that I was working on.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 3:49:13 PM

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Well maybe at such a young age, what you say may be true but a friend of mine who aced his college boards (1600 science & math) received several scholarship offers and a job offer from about 1/2 the fortune 100. Now true, he was 17 (not 12) and about to grad. HS but I wonder just how much difference that made.

He chose UVA and computer sciences because of the scholarship money even though money was not a problem as he didn't want med school following in his father's footsteps.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 7:19:19 PM

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This is the result of Brownbacks cost cutting education in Kansas

Kansas’ teachers have a bold plan: relocate
08/05/15 11:20 AM
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By Steve Benen
The results of Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback’s (R) economic experiment haven’t been pretty, but the effects on the state’s public school system have been especially ugly. As Republican state officials scramble to close a budget shortfall caused by tax cuts Kansas couldn’t afford, education has been underfunded to a ridiculous degree.

Some schools even wrapped up the academic year early, lacking the funds necessary to keep the doors open.

Valerie Strauss reported this week in the Washington Post that some Kansas educators have a bold, new plan to deal with the problem: they’re leaving.
Teachers can’t hotfoot it out of Kansas fast enough, creating a substantial shortage expected only to get much worse. […]

According to new data released by the Kansas Department of Education, at least 3,720 teachers left their jobs either by going to other states to teach, retiring or leaving the profession altogether, the Associated Press reported. That, the AP said, was substantially higher than in previous years. KCUR reported in this story by Sam Zeff that Kansas is becoming such a hard place for teachers that many are crossing into Missouri to find jobs.
It’s not like the state left these teachers with a lot of options. But Kansas does have a plan to deal with the problem.

Increasing teacher pay? No. Strengthening teachers’ collective-bargaining rights? No. Rather, the Topeka Capital-Journal reported that Kansas will instead “lift teacher licensure requirements for six school districts, including two of the state’s largest.”

Oh. Qualified teachers are leaving, confronted with untenable conditions, so Kansas is responding to the shortage by welcoming less qualified teachers.

The Capital-Journal added that the policy is “based on model legislation from the American Legislative Exchange Council.”

That’s the far-right group better known as ALEC.

Kansas will be dealing with the consequences of the Brownback era for quite a while.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/kansas-teachers-have-bold-plan-relocate?cid=sm_fb_maddow

You cant keep keep cutting money and hoping the people involved the heart of the cuts are going to be reasonable, and sumbit to slavery.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/5/2015 7:50:43 PM

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education of our youth is a major battle. for lots of reasons.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/6/2015 3:39:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
It is a mixture of both. Yes because all people should be treated equally in all things as I understand the muses of those on the left. No because I had a step grand daughter that graduated HS with a 4.0 during her junior year and was therefore ineligible for any kind of grant or scolarship (including government) because of that. So instead of encouraging the most intelligent, we discourage them from using it. She wanted to go into Med School and even took a few classes, but the family couldn't afford it. She is now a bank teller.

It's called 'Student Loans'. Almost every medical doctor not born with a silver spoon stuck up their asses, have them. I've known many doctors whom never got a scholarship but still got their M.D.. Where as my loan at its height was only five digits large, theirs was easily six!

So you trying to blame 'the system' or 'education' is baseless. That you and her parents didn't encourage her to pursue her dreams is the real fault here. She is a bank teller because she got bad advice from people to afraid to take a risk.

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RE: Hold this student back - 8/6/2015 3:58:02 AM

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education of our youth is a major battle. for lots of reasons.

Given all the battles with scientific concepts on here by the forum's conservatives; I can't imagine what your talking about....

Take the Theory of Climate Change. Most adults whom have at least a High School Diploma or a GED, do not know what a scientific theory 'is' and 'isn't'. Nor do they have the background knowledge needed to fully understand the depth of information on Climate Change. It's a very complex concept. Yet, most people think they understand everything about it. That they can make a 'well informed' decision on whether its 'the best answer for this observed phenomenon' taking place. Which is to say 'they don't know shit'.

When we are not serious with education and being educated; our children simply observe and mimic it. We are in an age of the greatest amount of easily acquired information on a staggering number of subjects. At the same time as people are more and more clueless on any of those subjects. I've used the example of:

Explain the five parts of the 1st amendment?

Most people can not answer four of the five parts of the amendment. The worst of it? When those that try and fail, have a smartphone within arm's reach. All they have to do is a simple web search. But yet, they do not consciously realize that is an option open to them. That what they do not know from memory, they can look up. And there is this gadget that accomplish this task very easily.

Try it with family and friends. When they fail to get five out of five, ask them why? Ask them "You have a smartphone right there. Why didn't you use it?". They will give you that 'deer in headlights' expression with a "'I dont know" reply.

What's the point of this technology if it can not be used? Why have all this information but be completely ignorant on what it all means? That without being educated on a subject, we allow other people to decide on things. Because unless you have strong faith that person(s) has your best interests to heart; how would you ever know if they are manipulating you?

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