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Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 2:50:08 AM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		What are the political correct words for he, she, male, female, etc?

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 2:56:30 AM   
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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 3:14:25 AM   
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Pronouns matter.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 4:10:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know about politically correct, but there is definitely such a thing as politely correct.

When it comes to gender I think the politely correct is to use the gender pronouns that accord with a person's presentation .... unless they specify otherwise. IOW if the person you're talking to is wearing a dress, make up and refers to themselves as female. then it's probably the most polite thing to use feminine pronouns for them, whatever you may feel their biological gender may be.

Simples hey?

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 4:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		ken that's close to not being a right question so to speak...

there are no politically correct words for he, she, etc. with the exception of the infinitesimally small collection of people who either have some gender confusion/gender mingling/gender rejection (jv's latter rows above), the issue isn't the words per se, its in the preferred and universal use of one (the male) gender's pronouns over another.

"he" long since came to represent not a particular male in question, but also generic humanity.

so the question then becomes, how to address (if at all), that disparity without turning all writing into this clunky and unwieldy "he/she, his/hers" conglomeration.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 9:12:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about ...black... not correct anymore...at least in my area.

A new waitress lost her job in st Louis because she wrote "black couple" on a ticket to help her remember which table a particular food order went. No amount of personal apologies and explanations of her attempt to be sure she got the order right saved her.

If you were in a predominately African American restaurant and a waitress wrote white couple on your ticket would you be insulted?

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 9:22:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		On the ticket she handed to me? Hell yes. Why didn't she just write table 16?
If it was on the ticket for the kitchen, and I didn't see it, then it wouldn't bother me.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 9:26:10 AM   
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so the question then becomes, how to address (if at all), that disparity without turning all writing into this clunky and unwieldy "he/she, his/hers" conglomeration.


One simple solution is to use the plural - them instead of his/her, themselves instead of her/himself.

It's amazing to some to discover how often a person's gender is irrelevant.


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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 9:27:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh it was a mistake and the wrong ticket was given out...but for me... Hell no... it would not be an insult to be called what I am.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 9:41:18 AM   
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How about ...black... not correct anymore...at least in my area.

A new waitress lost her job in st Louis because she wrote "black couple" on a ticket to help her remember which table a particular food order went. No amount of personal apologies and explanations of her attempt to be sure she got the order right saved her.

If you were in a predominately African American restaurant and a waitress wrote white couple on your ticket would you be insulted?

Butch


Don't restaurants usually assign numbers to their tables so as to avoid confusion?

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 9:45:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Zonie No... not all...at least that is what my daughter tells me... she is often just given a group of tables to serve...she often makes notes to be sure to get the order right. This was a honest mistake but a politically correct injustice.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 10:00:50 AM   
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Pronouns matter.


Speaking as a guy whose father taught English for 35 years and as the high school student who showed up his sophomore English teacher, I'd love to know where the fuck those bottom two rows of pronouns came from? Bluntly, they sound like phonetic representations of German accented English. "Do you haff ze planz? I do, zir!" It's a hell of a lot simpler to ask someone how they wish to be addressed instead of making up unnecessary words.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 10:14:24 AM   
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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 10:30:41 AM   
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What are the political correct words for he, she, male, female, etc?



If you're on the right PC is dick and cunt. The left is twat and wiener. Moderates, of course, call everyone pussy regardless of gender. ;)

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 11:25:18 AM   
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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 11:46:18 AM   
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Zonie No... not all...at least that is what my daughter tells me... she is often just given a group of tables to serve...she often makes notes to be sure to get the order right. This was a honest mistake but a politically correct injustice.

Butch


Now that I think about it, isn't "waitress" also considered un-PC these days? I've noticed a lot of restaurants use the word "server" so as to make it gender neutral. It's just like how you can't say "stewardess" anymore. Now it's "flight attendant."

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 11:48:36 AM   
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If you're on the right PC is dick and cunt. The left is twat and wiener. Moderates, of course, call everyone pussy regardless of gender. ;)


Moderates are too afraid of their own shadow to admit they even have an opinion...

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 3:10:18 PM   
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Oh it was a mistake and the wrong ticket was given out...but for me... Hell no... it would not be an insult to be called what I am.

Butch

If that was the thing that made the couple stand out (like they were the only black couple in the place) it made sure they got the right food.
Same if it were reversed.

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 3:30:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well look at it this way. You can't call anyone by the proper, or at least what used to be proper, pronoun because they might identify with someone with the opposite sex. Mr/Mrs Miss/Mrs whatever. Under political correctness, don't apply any longer. So back to the question. What is correct?

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RE: Political Correctnesss and Pronouns - 8/10/2015 4:17:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		id give the same answer ken---I don't think anyone's raising a stink about mr, mrs, miss, or ms when they are one gender on the outside and feel like they are the other gender on the inside such that we have to engage in this. maybe that's a "battle" down the road.

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