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Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 10:49:51 AM   
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Lip service, thy name is Barack Obama

Cuba has been trading humans, human labor, for oil and other good for a long time, sending doctors and dentists and other health care workers on "missions"

Forcing people to work for subsistence, essentially, in return for certain highly valued goods being shipped back to Cuba

Trafficking humans, in other words.

In 2006 George W. Bush began welcoming these slaves into the USA with expedited visas as part of a program to nudge the slave state of Cuba toward democracy

Now Obama has shut the door, as he is attempting to nudge the entire world toward the same sort of slavery that other communists relish

As far as I am concerned, anyone who is unaware that Obama is a hardcore socialist at this point has to be willfully ignorant

The news article:

quote:

Cuban doctors fleeing Venezuela protest for US visas

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — About 100 Cuban doctors who deserted a medical mission in Venezuela and have been stranded for months in Colombia seeking entry into the U.S. staged a protest Saturday to draw attention to their plight.

The health care workers say they fear the delays in processing their visa requests under a 2006 program aimed at luring Cuba's medical talent could be a sign that President Barack Obama is seeking to end the incentive as part of his campaign to normalize relations with the communist island.

Wearing white doctor's coats and brandishing their diplomas, the Cuban medical workers gathered in a plaza in Kennedy, a working-class neighborhood built in the 1960s with funds from John F. Kennedy's Alliance for Progress. Several described how widespread shortages and mistreatment in Venezuela is leading many to sneak across the border seeking a new start in the United States. While they say conditions in Colombia are better, the cost of living is higher and many say they've had to borrow money from strangers and surviving on a single meal a day.

Ailen Garcia, a 25-year-old dentist, said she fled to Colombia expecting to get a visa to enter the U.S. in a matter of weeks. Instead, she and her husband have been waiting more than six months for a response, all the while renting a small room in a working-class neighborhood of Bogota for $200 a month and preparing for the birth of their first child in two months' time.

"I'm worried about my baby. Where am I going to give birth and in what conditions?" said Garcia. "We're in a state of limbo: without work, with little money and time running out."

More than 50,000 Cuban health care professionals are working in some 66 nations as part of an international outreach program begun in the 1960s. The bulk work in Venezuela, which sends Cuba some 92,000 barrels of oil a day worth about $3.2 billion a year in exchange.

The 2006 U.S. program is designed to deprive President Raul Castro's communist government of an important source of foreign revenue. Cuba has not made public how much it pays doctors on foreign missions, though it is believed to be a small fraction of what it collects from the nations where they serve.

Full article here:

http://news.yahoo.com/cuban-doctors-fleeing-venezuela-protest-us-visas-204854360.html



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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 12:21:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, not even a nice try at yet more partisan sling. So America owes nothing to those coming through Mexico but now all of a sudden, owes everything to Cubans not fleeing Cuba but fleeing Columbia or Venezuela or....? How many of the other 66 countries similarly using Cubans do we owe deference to ?

Since Fidel Castro seized power in Havana in 1959, Cubans who reach the United States without immigration visas have been given a path to citizenship. For the past 20 years, they have been guaranteed immigration visas not offered other foreigners.

U.S. presidents and Congress have also given Cuban immigrants rights offered no others. The policy was initially devised to sap the Cuban regime of its talented citizens and highlight these Cubans’ preference for capitalist democracy over communism.

Then, in 1966, Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act, which entitled Cubans who reached U.S. shores to temporary parole status and, a year later, to permanent legal residency with a path to citizenship.

The legislation, however, had no expiration date. So it has been applied for nearly 50 years to new arrivals from Cuba and about half-million Cubans have benefited since 1966. There are no “undocumented” Cubans in the United States.

HERE

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 12:23:36 PM   
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Once again, not even a nice try at yet more partisan sling. So America owes nothing to those coming through Mexico but now all of a sudden, owes everything to Cubans not fleeing Cuba but fleeing Columbia or Venezuela or....? How many of the other 66 countries similarly using Cubans do we owe deference to ?

Since Fidel Castro seized power in Havana in 1959, Cubans who reach the United States without immigration visas have been given a path to citizenship. For the past 20 years, they have been guaranteed immigration visas not offered other foreigners.

U.S. presidents and Congress have also given Cuban immigrants rights offered no others. The policy was initially devised to sap the Cuban regime of its talented citizens and highlight these Cubans’ preference for capitalist democracy over communism.

Then, in 1966, Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act, which entitled Cubans who reached U.S. shores to temporary parole status and, a year later, to permanent legal residency with a path to citizenship.

The legislation, however, had no expiration date. So it has been applied for nearly 50 years to new arrivals from Cuba and about half-million Cubans have benefited since 1966. There are no “undocumented” Cubans in the United States.


Rather, every Mexican drug runner with terrorist ties can come through unchallenged, while mistreated slaves fleeing their owners are denied entry

AZ Sheriff Paul Babeu: Drug Cartels With AK-47s Control American Soil 30 Miles from Phoenix





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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 12:26:26 PM   
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quote:

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Once again, not even a nice try at yet more partisan sling. So America owes nothing to those coming through Mexico but now all of a sudden, owes everything to Cubans not fleeing Cuba but fleeing Columbia or Venezuela or....? How many of the other 66 countries similarly using Cubans do we owe deference to ?

Since Fidel Castro seized power in Havana in 1959, Cubans who reach the United States without immigration visas have been given a path to citizenship. For the past 20 years, they have been guaranteed immigration visas not offered other foreigners.

U.S. presidents and Congress have also given Cuban immigrants rights offered no others. The policy was initially devised to sap the Cuban regime of its talented citizens and highlight these Cubans’ preference for capitalist democracy over communism.

Then, in 1966, Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act, which entitled Cubans who reached U.S. shores to temporary parole status and, a year later, to permanent legal residency with a path to citizenship.

The legislation, however, had no expiration date. So it has been applied for nearly 50 years to new arrivals from Cuba and about half-million Cubans have benefited since 1966. There are no “undocumented” Cubans in the United States.


Rather, every Mexican drug runner with terrorist ties can come through unchallenged, while mistreated slaves fleeing their owners are denied entry

Not what my thread has at all and they are hardly slaves. They may have even chose to leave Cuba with the idea of then coming even planning, to come to the US.

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 12:30:05 PM   
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You dont want to admit what they clearly are due to your ideology

The article I posted from and linked to makes it very clear what those people are, they are slaves

And Obama and the Democrats obviously like it that way

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 1:12:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		US Slavery in action:

Bonded Labor

One form of coercion is the use of a bond, or debt. Often referred to as “bonded labor” or “debt bondage,” the practice has long been prohibited under U.S. law by its Spanish name, peonage, and the Palermo Protocol calls for its criminalization as a form of trafficking in persons. Workers around the world fall victim to debt bondage when traffickers or recruiters unlawfully exploit an initial debt the worker assumed as part of the terms of employment. Workers may also inherit intergenerational debt in more traditional systems of bonded labor.

http://www.state.gov/j/tip/what/





http://zfacts.com/p/318.html


who makes the debt for the slaves?

NEW YORK The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest, a study released on Thursday said.Mar 14, 2013
Iraq war costs U.S. more than $2 trillion: study | Reuters


The Afghanistan war, the longest overseas conflict in American history, has cost the US taxpayer nearly $1tn and will require spending several hundred billion dollars more after it officially ends this month, according to Financial Times calculations and independent researchers.Dec 15, 2014
Afghan war costs US $1 trillion - CNBC.com



slaves pay the debt

The Debt Skyrockets
It is fairly common for administrations to subsidize the national debt through earnings from the Social Security program. Yet, due to heavy financial burdens, including subprime lending, the 9/11 attacks and the wars that arose thereafter, former President George W. Bush increased the national debt by the highest percentages ever. (Learn how the different parties really feel about taxes, read Parties For Taxes: Republicans Vs. Democrats.)

2001-2005, Republican President George W. Bush increased the debt by 7.1%.

2005-2009, Republican President George W. Bush increased the debt by 20.0%.

Ultimately, evidence suggests that a few past Administrations are to blame for this present debt by spending more money on security, both abroad and at home, and strategizing (and regularly restrategizing) healthcare and Social Security. And despite several hopeful political moves, not much appears to have really been done to decrease the national debt for the future generations.

Read more: National Debt: Who Pays? http://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0410/national-debt-who-pays.aspx#ixzz3jfeZrpcI


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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 1:38:26 PM   
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RealOne, please get your own thread

We are discussing actual slaves here

American citizens are free to choose their career paths, they can leave the country at will, renounce their citizenship, vote in new politicians, etc

These Cubans being trafficked have no such life choices. Their punishment for defying their socialist overlords, for dissent, or for nothing at all includes anything up to extended torture and death.

They are actual slaves


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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/23/2015 8:57:34 PM   
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RealOne, please get your own thread

We are discussing actual slaves here

American citizens are free to choose their career paths, they can leave the country at will, renounce their citizenship, vote in new politicians, etc

These Cubans being trafficked have no such life choices. Their punishment for defying their socialist overlords, for dissent, or for nothing at all includes anything up to extended torture and death.

They are actual slaves




Ummph....

Ok soon as you put your finger on a real slave I will happily STFU, deal?

Meantime here is the cuban constitution.





The Constitution of the Republic of Cuba, 1976 (as Amended to 2002)

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF PEOPLE’S POWER

PREAMBLE

WE, CUBAN CITIZENS........
........
WE DECLARE
........

AND ADOPT
by means of our free vote in a referendum, the following:

CONSTITUTION CHAPTER I

POLITICAL, SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC FOUNDATIONS OF THE STATE

ARTICLE 1
Cuba is a socialist State of workers, independent and sovereign, organized with all and for the good of all, as a united, democratic republic, for the enjoyment of political freedom, social justice, individual and collective welfare, and human solidarity.

ARTICLE 2
The name of the Cuban State is Republic of Cuba; the official language is Spanish; and its capital is the city of La Havana.

ARTICLE 3
In the Republic of Cuba, the sovereignty resides in the people, from whom all of the power of the State emanates. That power is exercised directly or through the Assemblies of the People’s Power and other organs of the State derived from them, in the manner and according to the rules established by the Constitution and the laws.

All citizens have the right to fight, using all means, including armed struggle, when no other recourse is possible, against anyone attempting to overthrow the political, social, and economic order established by this Constitution.

Socialism and the social revolutionary political system instituted in this Constitution, proven by years of heroic resistance against all kinds of aggression and the economic war engaged by the government of the mightiest imperialistic power that has ever existed, and having demonstrated its ability to transform the country and create an entirely new and just society, shall be irrevocable, and Cuba shall never return to capitalism.

ARTICLE 8
The State recognizes, respects, and guarantees religious freedom.
In the Republic of Cuba, religious institutions are separate from the State.
The different creeds and religions enjoy equal consideration.

ARTICLE 9 The State:
a) implements the will of the working people and
• channels the efforts of the nation in the construction of socialism;
• maintains and defends the integrity and sovereignty of the fatherland;
• guarantees the freedom and full dignity of men, the enjoyment of their rights, the exercise and fulfillment of their obligations, and the total development of their personality;
• sustains the ideology and the norms of coexistence, and of conduct typical of the society free from exploitation of man by man;
• protects the creative work of the people, and the property and wealth of the socialist nation;
• directs the national economy in a planned manner;
• ensures the educational, scientific, technical, and cultural advancement of the country;
b) as the Power of the people, in the service of the people themselves, guarantees
• that there will be no man or woman capable of working who lacks an opportunity to obtain an employment with which he [or she] can contribute to the goals of society and fulfill his [or her] personal needs;
• that there will be no person incapacitated for work who lacks decent means of subsistence;
• that there will be no ill person lacking medical attention;
• that there will be no child lacking a school, food, and clothing;
• that there will be no youth lacking the opportunity for study;
• that there will be no one lacking access to study, culture, and sports;

c) works to achieve that no family lacks a comfortable home.

ARTICLE 10
All the organs of the State, their directors, functionaries and employees, operate within the limits of their respective authority, and are obliged to strictly observe socialist legality, and to ensure respect for it in the life of the entire society.


ARTICLE 32
Cubans may not be deprived of their citizenship except for legally established causes. Nor may they be deprived of the right to change it.

ARTICLE 35
The State protects the family, motherhood and matrimony.
The State recognizes in the family the fundamental cell of the society, and attributes to it essential responsibilities and functions in the education and training of the new generations.

ARTICLE 36
Marriage is the voluntary established union between a man and a woman, who are legally fit to marry, in order to live together.

ARTICLE 38
The parents have the duty to provide nourishment for their children;
..............
It is the children’s duty, in turn, to respect and help their parents.

ARTICLE 39
The State guides, fosters, and promotes education, culture and sciences in all their manifestations.

b) education is a function of the State, and free of charge


ARTICLE 41
All citizens have equal rights and are subject to equal duties.

ARTICLE 42
Discrimination based on race, color of the skin, sex, national origin, religious creeds, or any other type offending human dignity, is prohibited and punished by the law.

The State’s institutions educate all, from the earliest age, in the principle of the equality of human beings.

ARTICLE 44
Women and men enjoy equal economic, political, cultural, social, and familial rights.


ARTICLE 46
All those who work have the right to rest, which is guaranteed by the eight-hour workday, a weekly rest period and annual paid vacations.

ARTICLE 47
By means of the Social Security System, the State assures adequate protection to every worker who is unable to work because of age, illness or disability.
If the worker dies, this protection will be extended to his family.

ARTICLE 50
Everybody has the right to health protection and care.

ARTICLE 53
Citizens have freedom of speech and of the press in keeping with the objectives of socialist society.

ARTICLE 54
The rights of assembly, demonstration and association are exercised by workers, both manual and intellectual; peasants; women; students; and other sectors of the working people, [rights] to which they have the necessary ability (los medios necesarios) to exercise.

ARTICLE 55
The State, which recognizes, respects and guarantees freedom of conscience and religion, simultaneously recognizes, respects, and guarantees the freedom of every citizen to change religious creeds, or not to have any; and to profess the religious worship of their choice, with respect for the law.

ARTICLE 56
The home is inviolable. Nobody can enter the home of another against his will, except in those cases foreseen by law.

ARTICLE 58
Freedom and inviolability of persons is assured to all those who live in the country.
Nobody can be arrested, except in the manner, with the guarantees and in the cases indicated by law.

ARTICLE 59
Nobody can be tried or sentenced except by the competent tribunal by virtue of laws which existed prior to the crime and with the formalities and guarantees that the laws establish.

Every accused person has the right to a defense.
No violence or pressure of any kind can be used against people to force them to testify.




If they are slaves then we are also.......

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/24/2015 8:28:29 AM   
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More than 50,000 Cuban health care professionals are working in some 66 nations as part of an international outreach program begun in the 1960s. The bulk work in Venezuela, which sends Cuba some 92,000 barrels of oil a day worth about $3.2 billion a year in exchange.


So 50,000 health care professionals primarily in Venezuela at just under two barrels of oil a day. Oil is currently about $40 per barrel...So Venezuela is paying about $80 a day for a health care professional. I can see why that would concern you.

That 1/500 of the health care professionals from Cuba would make an economic decision as opposed to an ethical one should not surprise anyone except for the fact that the number is so small.

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/24/2015 8:32:23 AM   
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Cuba has been trading humans, human labor, for oil and other good for a long time, sending doctors and dentists and other health care workers on "missions"

Forcing people to work for subsistence, essentially, in return for certain highly valued goods being shipped back to Cuba

Trafficking humans, in other words.


How is that different than in Idaho? Do they supply everyone in Idaho free food and housing? I am pretty sure if one refuses to work in Idaho they will starve.
Why do you think that these health care professionals should work for free.

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 8/24/2015 11:15:48 AM   
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You dont want to admit what they clearly are due to your ideology

The article I posted from and linked to makes it very clear what those people are, they are slaves

And Obama and the Democrats obviously like it that way


Try working 40/hours a week at 7.25/hour. Support two kids. One with a serious medical condition. Watch those bills pile up month after month. Year after year. Watch your credit history go down faster than Ann Coulter can remain civilize and classy. Once you declare bankruptcy, your now over the legal barrel for the next seven years. In that time, you are the slave to whom ever holds control over your kid's health. You will live in ruin, while your own health breaks down at a faster rate than normal. Living in squealer....kind of like a slave.....

Yet, which political party do I see time and again, working for the poor and middle class? Certainty not any of the political parties you support! No, its the Democrats. The current US President, is a Democrat. He created the Affordable Care Act. So that parent doesn't go down that path. And that same law has had intense opposition....

....FROM YOU!

That's right, your 'OK' with people being slaves, Mr. Hypocrite! You have signal your opposition to welfare in all forms, regardless of circumstances. Thus, allowing a more likely outcome of poverty towards those whom experience tough times. You rather enjoy the idea of people being slaves. So you can lord over them like a tyrant!

BTW, even if we allowed 100 Cuban medical doctors to enter the United States and become citizens; they STILL couldn't work as medical doctors. They would have to get certified and pass a pile of requirements.

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RE: Obama Embraces Modern Slavery - 9/3/2015 9:16:03 AM   
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The article I posted from and linked to makes it very clear what those people are, they are slaves


Actually in fact it does not.

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