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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/30/2015 3:57:20 PM   
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He has repeatedly deplored the financial environment that makes it more profitable to do so, and vowed to change it.

K.



Big fucking deal, because when push comes to shove he wont do fuck all.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/30/2015 4:02:26 PM   
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Yeah, no. Whatever Trump's failings may be, shipping jobs to China (or Mexico or anywhere else) isn't one of them.

Are you telling me you dont think Trump uses suppliers from China or Mexico, or invests in building hotels overseas and real estate overseas ?

Stop listening to the voices in your fucking lamp socket. If I was telling you that, I would have said it. Of course he uses suppliers from outside the U.S. He's not stupid. The costs are lower. But that is a state of affairs he has repeatedly argued for changing.

Well in that case he is moving jobs abroad.......... which makes your bullshit claim he doesnt look like...... well, bullshit.

You trimmed that quote to misrepresent what I said. The subject was what he would do as President.

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He will ship more and more jobs over to China.

Yeah, no. Whatever Trump's failings may be, shipping jobs to China (or Mexico or anywhere else) isn't one of them.

He has repeatedly deplored the financial environment that makes it more profitable to do so, and vowed to change it.

K.





I didnt trim fuck all that you posted, so lets stop pretending otherwise.

As for your other laughable post about the lottery, then vote trump, because a lottery is what you will fucking end up with.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/30/2015 4:04:04 PM   
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If Trump is elected, he will drive this country into debt, by giving and allowing wall street to do whatever it wants...



and the relationship between wall street causing national debt is what exactly?




Lmfao......Are the events leading up to 2008 too far back for you to remember brains ?

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/30/2015 4:59:25 PM   
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I didnt trim fuck all that you posted, so lets stop pretending otherwise.

You're lying again. You trimmed this post when you replied to it here in order to remove the context showing that my response was addressing what he would do as President.

K.


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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 6:53:52 AM   
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Whatever Trump's failings may be, shipping jobs to China (or Mexico or anywhere else) isn't one of them.

He has repeatedly deplored the financial environment that makes it more profitable to do so, and vowed to change it.

K.

Has the Mop outlined in any detail how he proposes to change the "financial environment" to prevent outsourcing of jobs from the US to China?

The obvious "financial environment " advantages China has over the US are that labour is cheaper and the levels of business and environmental regulation are much less onerous, so that their impact on a business's costs is much lower.

Trump's options would therefore appear to be: lowering US labour costs to match those of China and/or lowering the levels of business and environmental regulation and costs measures that might not be palatable to US voters or workers, or else to resort to protectionist measures, which would be incompatible with globalisation and probably not palatable to US business either.

So unless Trump outlines in detail how he proposes to achieve the necessary changes in the "financial environment", I'd suggest that his promises be given the same level of credibility as any politician's electioneering promises ie no credibility at all.


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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 7:46:49 AM   
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I would love to see what a businessman would do in office as opposed to a 'politician'. I am just not sure I want it to be a businessman who has had to file corporate bankruptcy four times.

Maybe one of The Apprentices will run on his ticket. ;P

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 4:15:17 PM   
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Whatever Trump's failings may be, shipping jobs to China (or Mexico or anywhere else) isn't one of them.

He has repeatedly deplored the financial environment that makes it more profitable to do so, and vowed to change it.


Has the Mop outlined in any detail how he proposes to change the "financial environment" to prevent outsourcing of jobs from the US to China?

The obvious "financial environment " advantages China has over the US are that labour is cheaper and the levels of business and environmental regulation are much less onerous, so that their impact on a business's costs is much lower.

Trump's options would therefore appear to be: lowering US labour costs to match those of China and/or lowering the levels of business and environmental regulation and costs measures that might not be palatable to US voters or workers, or else to resort to protectionist measures, which would be incompatible with globalisation and probably not palatable to US business either.

So unless Trump outlines in detail how he proposes to achieve the necessary changes in the "financial environment", I'd suggest that his promises be given the same level of credibility as any politician's electioneering promises ie no credibility at all.

Your list of his options is deficient. Trump is very much in favor of global trade, but he recognizes that "free trade" is far from free. It has cost us millions of jobs and gutted our manufacturing sector. Trump supports the use of judiciously calculated tariffs to insure that our trade relationships are fair and not destructive of American jobs and industry.

K.


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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 4:24:30 PM   
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I didnt trim fuck all that you posted, so lets stop pretending otherwise.

You're lying again. You trimmed this post when you replied to it here in order to remove the context showing that my response was addressing what he would do as President.

K.





Youre making shit up again. I trimmed fuck all that you wrote and trimmed the post I wasnt replying to, as we have been asked to do by the mods.

I dont need to trim anything to point out you are a prick, you manage that all by yourself.

And like I said, Trump will never do anything about jobs going overseas, his business chums wouldnt let him for one thing. Only a fucking idiot would think otherwise (No offence)

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 4:30:04 PM   
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I didnt trim fuck all that you posted, so lets stop pretending otherwise.

You're lying again. You trimmed this post when you replied to it here in order to remove the context showing that my response was addressing what he would do as President.

Youre making shit up again. I trimmed fuck all that you wrote and trimmed the post I wasnt replying to, as we have been asked to do by the mods.

I dont need to trim anything to point out you are a prick, you manage that all by yourself.

And like I said, Trump will never do anything about jobs going overseas, his business chums wouldnt let him for one thing. Only a fucking idiot would think otherwise (No offence)

You're lying again. You trimmed the context of the post, which showed it to be a reply to what Trump would do as President, in order to change the apparent meaning to how Trump operates in the current financial environment and then respond to that misrepresentation. Don't you have any insect friends to play with? Maybe the turban scares them.

K.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 4:31:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		OMG..... Now you claim Trump wants "tariffs" to ensure "fair trade" Do you have any clue how tariffs work ? Or do I have to borrow one of your silly crayons to spell it out for you.

Call a tarrif a tax if you want but "fair trade" it certainly isnt.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 5:03:45 PM   
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OMG..... Now you claim Trump wants "tariffs" to ensure "fair trade" Do you have any clue how tariffs work ? Or do I have to borrow one of your silly crayons to spell it out for you.

Call a tarrif a tax if you want but "fair trade" it certainly isnt.

I realize you're an asshole, but you could you at least try to post something substantive now and then instead of just stopping by to drop your pants?

K.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 8/31/2015 7:24:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		“Reform politicians not only tend to be dishonest but stupidly dishonest—whereas the business politician is honest.

“I don’t see that Lazarus. History seems to show—”.

“Use your head, Ira. I don’t mean that a business politician won’t steal; stealing is his business. But all politicians are nonproductive. The only commodity any politician has to offer is jawbone. His personal integrity—meaning, if he gives his word, can you rely on it? A successful business politician knows this and guards his reputation for sticking by his commitments—because he wants to stay in business—go on stealing, that is—not only this week but next year and years after that. So if he’s smart enough to be successful at this very exacting trade, he can have the morals of a snapping turtle, but he performs in such a way as not to jeopardize the only thing he has to sell, his reputation for keeping promises.

“But a reform politician has no such lodestone. His devotion is to the welfare of all the people—an abstraction of very high order and therefore capable of endless definitions. If indeed it can be defined in meaningful terms. In consequence your utterly sincere and incorruptible reform politician is capable of breaking his word three times before breakfast— not from personal dishonesty, as he sincerely regrets the necessity and will tell you so—but from unswerving devotion to his ideal.

“All it takes to get him to break his word is for someone to get his ear and convince him that it is necessary for the greater good of all the peepul. He’ll geek.

“After he gets hardened to this, he’s capable of cheating at solitaire. Fortunately he rarely stays in office long—except during the decay and fall of a culture.”

-- Lazarus Long, Time Enough For Love, by Robert A. Heinlein

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/1/2015 9:40:50 AM   
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Republicans are forfeiting the 2016 election. How will they regroup for 2020?

If the numbers hold, by 2020 Hispanic voters will represent at least 15 percent of the overall vote, says Spencer Kimball, a Republican strategist who teaches communication studies at Emerson College. And according to 2012 exit polls, more than 70 percent of Hispanic voters cast their ballots for President Obama.

To counter this tidal wave of potential Democratic gains, Republicans will have to make adjustments, Kimball says. He believes that Republicans will focus on immigration policies "to soften their appearance in light of this growing constituency."

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/25/170240786/forget-2016-the-pivotal-year-in-politics-may-be-2020

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/1/2015 3:43:35 PM   
Politesub53


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OMG..... Now you claim Trump wants "tariffs" to ensure "fair trade" Do you have any clue how tariffs work ? Or do I have to borrow one of your silly crayons to spell it out for you.

Call a tarrif a tax if you want but "fair trade" it certainly isnt.

I realize you're an asshole, but you could you at least try to post something substantive now and then instead of just stopping by to drop your pants?

K.



Laughable that you dont feel pointing out the bullshit notion of tariffs is fair trade isnt on topic.

Like I said, Trump will do nothing on the issue that affects his profit margin.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/1/2015 4:25:15 PM   
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OMG..... Now you claim Trump wants "tariffs" to ensure "fair trade" Do you have any clue how tariffs work ? Or do I have to borrow one of your silly crayons to spell it out for you.

Call a tarrif a tax if you want but "fair trade" it certainly isnt.

I realize you're an asshole, but you could you at least try to post something substantive now and then instead of just stopping by to drop your pants?

Laughable that you dont feel pointing out the bullshit notion of tariffs is fair trade isnt on topic.

Try to focus on the words on the screen and stop listening to those voices coming from your lamp socket. I didn't say your opinion was off topic. I said it was unsubstantiated. If long words confuse you, look it up.

K.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/2/2015 9:16:37 AM   
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“Reform politicians not only tend to be dishonest but stupidly dishonest—whereas the business politician is honest.

“I don’t see that Lazarus. History seems to show—”.

“Use your head, Ira. I don’t mean that a business politician won’t steal; stealing is his business. But all politicians are nonproductive. The only commodity any politician has to offer is jawbone. His personal integrity—meaning, if he gives his word, can you rely on it? A successful business politician knows this and guards his reputation for sticking by his commitments—because he wants to stay in business—go on stealing, that is—not only this week but next year and years after that. So if he’s smart enough to be successful at this very exacting trade, he can have the morals of a snapping turtle, but he performs in such a way as not to jeopardize the only thing he has to sell, his reputation for keeping promises.

“But a reform politician has no such lodestone. His devotion is to the welfare of all the people—an abstraction of very high order and therefore capable of endless definitions. If indeed it can be defined in meaningful terms. In consequence your utterly sincere and incorruptible reform politician is capable of breaking his word three times before breakfast— not from personal dishonesty, as he sincerely regrets the necessity and will tell you so—but from unswerving devotion to his ideal.

“All it takes to get him to break his word is for someone to get his ear and convince him that it is necessary for the greater good of all the peepul. He’ll geek.

“After he gets hardened to this, he’s capable of cheating at solitaire. Fortunately he rarely stays in office long—except during the decay and fall of a culture.”

-- Lazarus Long, Time Enough For Love, by Robert A. Heinlein



I believe Mr. Hienlein described Lazarus Long as a self absorbed authoritarian with the ethics of of an "alley cat" and economic power as his central goal.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/2/2015 9:20:13 AM   
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Is a he a liar like: "... the most transparent administration in history"?


Which acministration, in your view, was the most transparant administration in history?

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/2/2015 9:24:01 AM   
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I agree. Wasn't it the F35 that was to be made out of 100% us materials and manufacturers that wasn't. Could have been a different aircraft but it was one of them.



I would be most interested in this have you a link?

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/2/2015 10:04:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		1) Trump isn't evidence of something wrong with the GOP. In fact, in many ways his actual politics are at right angles to basic GOP positions. He's on record wanting to reinstate the assault weapons ban, and has heavily financed Hillary and Chuck Schumer in the past, among other things. What he's evidence of is something VERY wrong with Washington and the political class in general. His appeal is in his boldness - his willingness to tell the politically correct crowd to stuff it and to be an 'anti-politician.'

2) He's a political Rorsach test. His actual campaign is basically an empty vessel that people project their own ideas into. The thought police types hate his guts because he tells them to pound sand. But there's no substance to his campaign OTHER than to tell the thought police to get bent. Beyond that, the Democrats reflexively hate him because he's running as a Republican. But there isn't enough actual substance to his campaign to hate - or support. There is literally no reason to hate the man - unless you're a blind partisan Democrat, or want to force everyone to conform to the standards of political correctness. Likewise, there's no reason to love him either - unless your standard for supporting a politician is to just give a giant rhetorical middle finger to the Washington political class.

3) He's also a narcissistic egomaniac who needs to have his name on ABSOLUTELY everything to feel like a man. Normally, I'd say that this should disqualify him from being President, except that the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is also a narcissistic egomaniac who thought he could heal the earth, and that didn't seem to deter voters. This merely makes Trump the Republicans' Obama.

4) If you don't think Trump can get elected, you need to see who's running against him. The current Democratic front runner is being investigated by the FBI for felonies related to the way she handled top secret information, and on top of that she's an aging crypt-keeper of a woman with the personality of a porcupine. And she's loosing ground to an even older self-described socialist. The Democrat's favorite meme about the GOP being the party of old white men is going to be difficult to pull off this cycle given that most of their candidates are old white men, and every one of their candidates is two out of those three. Especially if the GOP manages to get Trump out of its system and put up Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Fiorina or Jindal.

5) As for 2020 and the Hispanic vote the party that's putting up Rubio and Cruz would seem to have more of an inside track there then... who the hell ARE the Democrats going to run in 2020, anyway? Especially if Hillary doesn't win, or stay out of prison? DeBlasio? Someone in their 80s? There's no bench to go to if Hillary loses.

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RE: Trump... something is wrong with the GOP - 9/2/2015 4:31:22 PM   
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Trump doesn't just offend PC sensibilities, he offends those who value facts and sane policy making.

Hillary is just getting bashed in the PRESS. The campaign is to make her look bad when in fact she hasn't done much of anything wrong at all.

The same happened with Democrats during the mid-terms. The country was truly going off a cliff b/c of illegal immigration, ebola outbreaks, and ISIS terrorist threats. Once the GOP took Congress, all this hyperbolic, heated rhetoric STOPPED.

Trump is a symptom or running 17 Candidates in the primary.

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