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Is the Military Wrong? - 8/28/2015 2:40:01 PM   
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http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/08/28/congressman-wants-carter-to-intervene-in-removal-of-green-beret.html?ESRC=dnews.sm

Soldier shoves a police chief (a clear cut assault) for raping a 12 yr old boy and gets thrown out of military for it.
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RE: Is the Military Wrong? - 8/28/2015 2:59:22 PM   
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Well, in assaulting a member of another country's armed forces; he violated at least two of the articles in the UCMJ.

When I pulled bailiff duty for military courts; several times I saw a service member offered a "discharge for the good of the service" in lieu of a lengthy and expensive career breaking trial.

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RE: Is the Military Wrong? - 8/28/2015 3:21:41 PM   
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Yeah all he got was a letter of repremand, but that was enough to terminate his career these days of drawdown. I remember the days when if you didn't have an Art 15, you were a bad person (I never had one. Got one letter of repremand and deserved it).

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RE: Is the Military Wrong? - 9/3/2015 9:10:08 AM   
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I remember the days when if you didn't have an Art 15, you were a bad person (I never had one. Got one letter of repremand and deserved it).


You are not that old because it never....never was.

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RE: Is the Military Wrong? - 9/3/2015 1:58:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/08/28/congressman-wants-carter-to-intervene-in-removal-of-green-beret.html?ESRC=dnews.sm

Soldier shoves a police chief (a clear cut assault) for raping a 12 yr old boy and gets thrown out of military for it.


There is an expectation of how US Military personnel are to behave in any given situation. Including when hearing someone stating they raped someone. Its called 'professionalism'. It could be argued that the soldier was young or inexperienced if it was a non-officer in the regular infantry. Its not likely to be argued if the person is a military officer and/or part of an elite group of individuals in the military. That this guy was/is an officer (yes, a Noncom and as close to being a commissioned officer as one gets) and a Green Beret, means he behaved unprofessionally in a given situation that was outside of combat.

Should the guy be removed from the military? That's a good question. I would have to see all the evidence and listen to the arguments from the prosecution and the defense. The information presented in this article is very limiiting. I suspect there is information that could be classified. So my civilian status will not likely get to see such material. Could that information sway my view? Maybe....

If somewhere to shove the President of the United States (whom is a military person under our form of laws and government). Be they military or civilian, would they be tried in court for charges against them? Yes. Could a military person be not just stripped of their rank but removed from the US Military with a dishonorable discharge? Yes. It would be up to the defense to explain this person's actions after the prosecution gets done showing the evidence against them.

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RE: Is the Military Wrong? - 9/3/2015 2:18:24 PM   
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There is an expectation of how US Military personnel are to behave in any given situation.


Different people have different expectations. I am sure the residents of Viet Nam or Cuba might see it differently than say residents of NYC.

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Including when hearing someone stating they raped someone. Its called 'professionalism'. It could be argued that the soldier was young or inexperienced if it was a non-officer in the regular infantry. Its not likely to be argued if the person is a military officer and/or part of an elite group of individuals in the military. That this guy was/is an officer (yes, a Noncom and as close to being a commissioned officer as one gets) and a Green Beret, means he behaved unprofessionally in a given situation that was outside of combat.


Unprofessional conduct can happen in combat also.

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Should the guy be removed from the military? That's a good question. I would have to see all the evidence and listen to the arguments from the prosecution and the defense. The information presented in this article is very limiiting.


No he should not be removed. It is simple assault...the prescribed punishment is what it is and it is not 6,6 and a kick.

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I suspect there is information that could be classified. So my civilian status will not likely get to see such material. Could that information sway my view? Maybe....


Not too much can be confidential about some fool loosing his temper.

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If somewhere to shove the President of the United States (whom is a military person under our form of laws and government).



No he is not. Our system requires a civilian to be the commander and chief of the armed forces. He is not subject to court martial.

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Be they military or civilian, would they be tried in court for charges against them? Yes.


Civilian or military they would both be tired in a civilian court. The military person though would also face a court martial after he finished with his civilian issues. The military would have some hefty charges not limited to simple assault. They would probably include mutiny.


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Could a military person be not just stripped of their rank but removed from the US Military with a dishonorable discharge? Yes.


No. Removed from the service with a general or higher discharge, yes. A DD requires loss of all rank.




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