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Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divorce ... - 9/4/2015 7:10:35 AM   
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Last week, a Tenn. judge refused to grant a straight couple a divorce because the U.S. Supreme Court allowed gay marriage.

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[W]hen Thomas and Pamela Bumgardner walked into [Jeffrey M.] Atherton’s court in late July hoping for a quick and easy divorce, the judge apparently had other ideas.

The sexagenarian couple had married in November of 2002, according to the Times Free Press. But after 13 years together, they wanted to split, claiming straying allegiances and irreconcilable differences.

After four days of testimony including seven witnesses and 77 exhibits, however, Atherton unexpectedly ruled that he would not be granting the Bumgardners a divorce.

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“The Tennessee Court of Appeals has noted that Obergefell v. Hodges … affected what is, and must be recognized as, a lawful marriage in the State of Tennessee,” Atherton began. “This leaves a mere trial level Tennessee state court judge in a bit of a quandary. With the U.S. Supreme Court having defined what must be recognized as a marriage, it would appear that Tennessee’ s judiciary must now await the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court as to what is not a marriage, or better stated, when a marriage is no longer a marriage.”

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The Supreme Court’s decision was “troubling” because it amounted to a “judicial fiat,” Atherton argued. “… What actually appears to be the intent and (more importantly) the effect of the Supreme Court ruling is to preempt state courts from addressing marriage/divorce litigation altogether.”

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But it is Atherton’s next paragraph that is the real doozy, in which he calls the Supreme Court’s decision “judi-idiocracy.”

“Although this Court has some vague familiarity with the governmental theories of democracy, republicanism, socialism, communism, fascism, theocracy, and even despotism,” he begins sarcastically, “implementation of this apparently new ‘super-federal-judicial’ form of benign and benevolent government, termed ‘krytocracy’ by some and ‘judi-idiocracy’ by others, with its iron fist and limp wrist, represents quite a challenge for a state level trial court.”

Faced with this “challenge,” Atherton’s decision is simply to throw his hands up in the air and claim that the Supreme Court’s decision had “divested subject matter jurisdiction from this court when a divorce is contested.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/04/tenn-judge-refuses-to-grant-straight-couple-a-divorce-because-of-gay-marriage/

Honestly, I can understand disagreeing with the Supreme Court on Obergefell and/or preferring that same-sex marriage had been tackled legislatively rather than judicially. But Atherton strikes me as simply throwing a tantrum, at the expense of innocent citizens who shouldn't have been misused as pawns. It seems a bit, well, unhinged even. (Anyone else catch the "limp wrist" dig?) Then again, marriage equality does have that effect sometimes.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 7:16:18 AM   
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the sadistic side of me loves his actions...not letting people get divorced is amusing. Altho if I was looking to get divorced, I wouldnt be happy Im guessing.
So while I dont think he is compos mentis...I think it shows just how bloody ridiculous the argument has become.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 7:37:21 AM   
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Last week, a Tenn. judge refused to grant a straight couple a divorce because the U.S. Supreme Court allowed gay marriage.


Perhaps he will also get to see the inside of the cross-bar motel and shower with hairy legged boys. Maybe even some with "limp wrist".

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 10:45:00 AM   
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“Although this Court has some vague familiarity with the governmental theories of democracy, republicanism, socialism, communism, fascism, theocracy, and even despotism,” he begins sarcastically, “implementation of this apparently new ‘super-federal-judicial’ form of benign and benevolent government, termed ‘krytocracy’ by some and ‘judi-idiocracy’ by others, with its iron fist and limp wrist, represents quite a challenge for a state level trial court.”

Faced with this “challenge,” Atherton’s decision is simply to throw his hands up in the air and claim that the Supreme Court’s decision had “divested subject matter jurisdiction from this court when a divorce is contested.”




Honestly, I can understand disagreeing with the Supreme Court on Obergefell and/or preferring that same-sex marriage had been tackled legislatively rather than judicially. But Atherton strikes me as simply throwing a tantrum, at the expense of innocent citizens who shouldn't have been misused as pawns. It seems a bit, well, unhinged even. (Anyone else catch the "limp wrist" dig?) Then again, marriage equality does have that effect sometimes.

Thoughts, anyone?



Nope, I applaud that judge, while simultaneously I feel really sorry for the people caught in the middle of an inter-judiciary battle that should never have vbeen allowed to escalate to this point in the first place.

Today, even something as simple as a loud muffler dispute that I brought up in earlier threads where the victim is 100% proven right and cop is 100% proven wrong yet the victim of gubblemint has no defense due to judicial top level state now federal judicial fiat. Virtually everything has to be taken to the supreme courts, state and federal to be settled due to precisely the point of your article. "Judicial Fiat"

This is nothing new however but the cancer now in its final stages is becoming readily apparent to everyone, and despite it is a rather complex myriad labyrinth to fully wrap our minds around unfortunately most people do not want to deal with it unless faced with it in person or trying to help someone faced with it by reading the so labeled 'law'.

The best thing that could happen is that all county courts start throwing their hands up in the air so even the most ignorant in this country can see the beast they created for us in the name of justice.




Ex-lawyer jailed 14 months, but not charged with a crime

By Abbie Boudreau, Emily Probst and Dana Rosenblatt, CNN Special Investigations Unit May 24, 2010 10:17 a.m. EDT


Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- Once a dapper Beverly Hills attorney known for his bow tie, Richard Fine has been held in solitary confinement at Los Angeles County Men's Central Jail for 14 months, even though he's never been charged with a crime.

Fine, a 70-year- old taxpayer's advocate who once worked for the Department of Justice, is being held for contempt of court.

Superior Court Judge David Yaffe found Fine in contempt after he refused to turn over financial documents and answer questions when ordered to pay an opposing party's attorney's fees, according to court documents.

Fine says his contempt order masks the real reason why he's in jail. He claims he's a political prisoner.

"I ended up here because I did the one thing no other lawyer in California is willing to do. I took on the corruption of the courts," Fine said in a jailhouse interview with CNN.

More details on the Special Investigations Unit's blog

For the last decade, Fine has filed appeal after appeal against Los Angeles County's Superior Court judges. He says the judges each accept what he calls yearly "bribes" from the county worth $57,000. That's on top of a $178,789 annual salary, paid by the state. The county calls the extra payments "supplemental benefits" -- a way to attract and retain quality judges in a high-cost city.

While the practice of paying supplemental benefits is common in California, most high-cost cities elsewhere don't hand out these kinds of benefits. Judges in Miami, Chicago and Boston receive no extra county dollars.
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Judges in Los Angeles County not only have the highest state salaries in the nation, they also get tens of thousands of dollars in county benefits. These payments, Fine says, mean judges are unlikely to rule against the county when it is involved in a lawsuit.

In the last two fiscal years, Los Angeles County won all but one of the nine trials that went before a judge, according to Steven Estabrook, the county's litigation cost manager.

"The reason I'm here is the retaliation of the judges," Fine says. "They figured they're going to throw me in jail and that way they feel that they can stop me."

Fine's decade-long crusade against the judges eventually led to his disbarment last year. Joe Carlucci was the lead prosecutor for the California State Bar. Carlucci says whenever Fine lost a case, he would appeal and argue the judges were corrupt.

"What he ultimately did was to delay proceedings, to level false accusations against judges," Carlucci says. "All of those lawsuits were found to have been frivolous and meritless."

Judge Yaffe and county officials refused to comment on Fine's case while it's still pending.

"Fine holds the key to his jail cell," Kevin McCormick, one of the court's attorneys, pointed out in a court filing. In other words, Fine will go free once he hands over the documents the court seeks and answers the judge's questions.

The technical term is "coercive confinement" -- jail-time until a person follows a judge's order. gulags coming to a theater near you soon!

"He's probably done more time than most burglars, robbers and dope dealers," says Sterling Norris of the public-interest group Judicial Watch.

Norris says Fine's confinement has gone on too long.

Norris won a case in 2008 that found county payments to judges unconstitutional. The California Legislature swiftly passed a bill that enabled counties to continue paying the extra benefits.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/24/jailed.lawyer.richard.fine/


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Thats what its really about, they put the do gooders and whistle blowers to waste.

They tend to have accidents, their lives and livelihoods destroyed or if they set off bright red lites they simply assassinate them like the arizona judge





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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 7:10:44 PM   
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the sadistic side of me loves his actions...not letting people get divorced is amusing. Altho if I was looking to get divorced, I wouldnt be happy Im guessing.
So while I dont think he is compos mentis...I think it shows just how bloody ridiculous the argument has become.

Compos mentis. indeed. The judge is ridiculous and sounds like a redneck on the bench. Does this mean that for the supreme court to rule on 'Citizens' that all of the rest of the courts can't...on free speech ?

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 7:45:16 PM   
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The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. Without it, the likes of Kim Davis and this Judge would be all over the fucking map concerning fundamental rights and protections.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 8:01:26 PM   
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There are some rulings that come down that have effects on other rulings. He seems to be saying this is one of those situations. It doesn't seem to be about gay marriage. But about the ruling the Supreme Court made and what effect it has on the lower courts.

Judges don't like having their rulings overturned. So in this type of situation you can do whatever you feel like and maybe risk having it overturned. Or you can wait on guidance.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 8:12:48 PM   
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Your right... since we must now recognize blacks as equals... then we need to wait for the Supreme court to tell us Hispanics are equals too.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 8:14:50 PM   
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There are some rulings that come down that have effects on other rulings. He seems to be saying this is one of those situations.

What possible genuine effect does Obergefell v. Hodges have on a state judge's ability to grant an ordinary divorce to a qualifying hetero couple?

And how come he's the only judge nationwide to be affected by it?

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 8:22:49 PM   
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There are some rulings that come down that have effects on other rulings. He seems to be saying this is one of those situations.

What possible genuine effect does Obergefell v. Hodges have on a state judge's ability to grant an ordinary divorce to a qualifying hetero couple?

And how come he's the only judge nationwide to be affected by it?


The lord works in myserious ways...How long will it be before this individual is facing contempt charges? This is better than putting a bell on the cats tale. This puts the cats in jail with a very large sign around their neck.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/4/2015 9:04:18 PM   
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The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. Without it, the likes of Kim Davis and this Judge would be all over the fucking map concerning fundamental rights and protections.



the same can be said for the supreme court. instead of keeping civil peace the create steadily increasing angst.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 10:52:57 AM   
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This ruling is silly, stupid, and immature. That the judge can not figure out how to make a ruling on something because it remotely resembles something else. Its like saying one can not rule on a two car accident because a pair of super oil tankers have not crashed into each other; in Nebraska! The issue of gay marriage and whether a heterosexual marriage can be ended are two different things. Frankly this judge's credentials should be re-examined given the stupid answer in the ruling.

Yes, the legislative body for the nation should have done something useful immediately after the US Supreme Court made its ruling. But the 'Do Nothing Useful for America' Republican/Tea Party did what it always does: do nothing useful for America! If Democrats controlled Congress, they would have pushed through a bill allowing gay marriage as evenly as other forms of marriage (i.e. interracial marriage). They might have taken some political hits in vulnerable areas; but they wouldn't leave the nation hanging in wonderment.

That's because Democrats have balls, and Republicans do not. Or is one of the conservatives on here going to tell me any of the GOP will beat Trump? Because Hillary will ROAST him in the general election. Because she can nad will beat him down.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 10:56:51 AM   
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There are some rulings that come down that have effects on other rulings. He seems to be saying this is one of those situations. It doesn't seem to be about gay marriage. But about the ruling the Supreme Court made and what effect it has on the lower courts.

Judges don't like having their rulings overturned. So in this type of situation you can do whatever you feel like and maybe risk having it overturned. Or you can wait on guidance.


This guy is setting things up so that the US Supreme Court may eventually have to make a ruling on the whole issue.....AGAIN. Because conservative judges in our nation just are not intelligent enough to operate on their own. Or are they?

What will happen is this....

The Appellate Court will rule against this judge. To which the high court may take the case if its appealed (which it will be). In other words, the judge did two things: 1 ) Force more taxpayer money to be wasted by stupid bullshit and 2 ) Not have to be the judge that rules against the people that placed him in his position.

When we talk about 'bad government', this judge is an example of it.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 3:47:50 PM   
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Thoughts, anyone?

why did he waste 4 days of everyone's time and the cost for that of the lawyers, etc? why didnt he just put a "closed" sign on the door instead? its not like these sexagenarians have all the time in the world for this.. ..with the money it cost them for the lawyers, etc they could have gone to Nevada and gotten a quickie divorce there instead, and a nice 2 week holiday to boot..

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 3:56:22 PM   
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Really I think all state legislatures should be recalled as necessary to handle any major decision by SCOTUS. Most won't start their next session until January.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 4:25:04 PM   
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why did he waste 4 days of everyone's time and the cost for that of the lawyers, etc?

Attention.

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 5:07:36 PM   
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Really I think all state legislatures should be recalled as necessary to handle any major decision by SCOTUS. Most won't start their next session until January.



to hell with that! crank out a referendum and take it to the people who have to live with their shitmess

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/5/2015 6:23:37 PM   
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Referendums aren't necessary. The issue has been settled. State legislators need a chance to update any laws that are in question.

Florida still has a ban on gay adoption that needs to be looked at. Does the gay marriage decision effect that as well?

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/6/2015 10:50:50 AM   
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why did he waste 4 days of everyone's time and the cost for that of the lawyers, etc?

Attention.


If judges are not suppose to behave like 'liberal activists', that should also imply they can not behave like 'conservative activist' either! Curious how all the conservatives are quiet on issues like this? But boy do we here then when some 'active liberal' judges something from the bench, eh?

So if they do not hold this judge accountable; then its OPEN SEASON for liberal activist judges to have their say across the board!

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RE: Tenn. judge refuses to grant straight couple a divo... - 9/6/2015 10:52:41 AM   
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Referendums aren't necessary. The issue has been settled. State legislators need a chance to update any laws that are in question.

Florida still has a ban on gay adoption that needs to be looked at. Does the gay marriage decision effect that as well?


Most likely it will be a 'no brainer' for any serious judge. The ones that this issue will be tough are the clueless conservative activists that try to wiggle around laws (i.e. effectively rewritting concepts to justify viewpoints).

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