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Well we can say for sure that it isn't safe for Kurds who come into contact with people like Kurdi...

Iraqi couple allege Alan Kurdi's father was captain of the boat that capsized ~Toronto Sun

A woman on the same boat as Alan Kurdi says the boy’s father is a people smuggler who begged her not to dob him in. Zainab Abbas said Abdullah Kurdi had lied to the world after the image of his dead three-year-old son on a Turkish beach sparked a global outpouring of support for Syrian refugees. “Yes, it was Abdullah Kurdi driving the boat,” Ms Abbas told Network Ten through her cousin Lara Tahseen today... the man she paid to book her passage told her it would be safe because the driver was taking his wife and two children... Ms Abbas said Mr Kurdi was speeding in the overcrowded boat, which did not have enough life jackets. She said her husband told him to be careful just before the boat capsized, reportedly killing at least 12 people.

Migrant crisis: father of dead toddler a ‘people smuggler’ ~The Australian

An Iraqi couple who was on the doomed boat that capsized and killed three-year-old Alan Kurdi, says the boy's own father -- the only surviving member of his family -- was at the helm. "Yes, it was Abdullah Kurdi driving the boat," Zainab Abbas told Australian TV station Network Ten through her cousin Lara Tahseen. Abbas and Ahmad Hadi, who lost two children in the tragedy, told journalists in Baghdad that after the accident, Abdullah Kurdi begged them not to tell Turkish police he was in charge of the boat.

Abdullah Kurdi has said he paid smugglers 4,000 euros for the deadly voyage -- the money his sister sent to him from Canada. But Abbas and Hadi told reporters that prior to the voyage, a smuggler they met in Turkey introduced them to Kurdi, saying he was the captain of the vessel and his own wife and children would be aboard. They said just minutes after departing the Turkish coast, one of Kurdi's sons started to cry, distracting the father just before the boat bashed into a wave and capsized. He had been speeding, Abbas told reporters, and wouldn't slow down. She said the overcrowded boat didn't have enough life-jackets.

Syrian boy's dad drove capsized boat that killed family, passengers say ~NY Post

The father of drowned Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi was working with smugglers and driving the flimsy boat that capsized trying to reach Greece, other passengers on board said, in an account that disputes the version he gave last week. Ahmed Hadi Jawwad and his wife, Iraqis who lost their 11-year-old daughter and 9-year-old son in the crossing, told Reuters that Abdullah Kurdi panicked and accelerated when a wave hit the boat, raising questions about his claim that somebody else was driving the boat... He said Kurdi swam to them and begged them to cover up his true role in the incident. His wife confirmed the details. Jawwad said his point of contact with the smugglers was called Abu Hussein. “Abu Hussein told me that he (Kurdi) was the one who organized this trip,” he said.

You can stuff your sanctimonius bullshit up your arse.

K.

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I think the EUs response as a political unit has shown just how disjointed the community is.

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I think the EUs response as a political unit has shown just how disjointed the community is.

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Politesub53
I think the EUs response as a political unit has shown just how disjointed the community is.

When one take into account the current stresses on the system - a flow of refugees in numbers unseen since the end of WWII - it's not surprising that Europe's response has not been the most cohesive.

The reaction of Europeans has in the main been very positive, with the Germans taking the kudos and the Hungarians at the bottom of the list. It will take time money and patience to deal with the pressures created by absorbing hundreds of thousands of refugees.

We shouldn't let short term difficulties and the negative responses of a few countries blind us to what has been on the whole a good response to an unexpected and profound crisis.

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re Syrian people responsible for the fact that Syria has become the location where numerous regional and international forces - Russians, Iraqis, Israelis, Americans, British, French, Iranian, Saudis, Qataris to name a few - conduct their power games?

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hero rhetoric will not help fighting either barrel bombs or IS murderers

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hero rhetoric will not help fighting either barrel bombs or IS murderers

We don't blink our eyes and arrive at any one place in history instantly. There was a time before barrel bombs and IS murderers...and it was not that long ago. The very people we are talking about lived through that time and did little to stave off disaster and protect their families and country. It is no ones fault but their own... not foreign powers.

But again i am not for abandoning these people...but they, meaning the able bodied, are not without fault.

Maybe we are getting different coverage here... but when i run a search of images of refugees there is a large percentage of able bodied men among them.

In the end fault means nothing when the choice is to aid humanity in need or force them back to destroyed cities and retribution. We here in St. Louis have reached out to war refugees, perhaps more than in your area, and it has revitalized a part of our town that was in decline. So there could very well be a silver lining in this tragedy.

Butch

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Who is to blame? I am just wondering if the hundreds of thousands of refugees, at least the able bodied, were to stand up for their beliefs would this human tragedy have happened on this scale in the first place?

I could understand if it were mostly women and children...but from what i see this is not the case. I guess it come down to are the people of a nation responsible for themselves?

Easy for me to say I know...and no matter the reasons we just cannot let these people die...but these people are not heroes or victims with no blame by any means and they should be asking instead of demanding help.

Butch