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Even without all the political machinations, the complexity of Obamacare seems staggering to me.
Its only complex because you didn't read the ACA. Once you read it and understand things, its really quite straight forward of a piece of legislation...
right, ~1000 page bills are always easy to understand.
Actually they are quite easy to follow. One of my first observations of the ACA was "Ah fuck, this is a monster!". Most bills are pretty well laid out. In fact, there is almost a standardized format from one bill to another. Metaphorically, its like reading the Wall Street Journal correctly. Yes, there is a correct way and many incorrect ways of reading the Journal. Yes, it is a bit different from the average newspaper in many ways. The Journal does teach how to properly and accurately sift through the publication to get to the parts you want quickly.
Reading 80 pages in the ACA within an hour and understanding everything, is not tough. If you ever took the time to read one of my 'short' posts, that likes 18 pages! Piece of cake!
Your just intimidated by size!
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and the multi-year phase in period didn't have anything at all to do with the laws complexity.
Bills going through Congress are designed so a 9th grader could understand them. We are not talking Ph.D. level scientific research white papers here. Where you need BS and MS under your belt just to understand all the fine-level details.
No, the ACA and other bills are set up so you can do a word search to find those sections your looking for quickly! Just look up 'grandfathering' of policies. Shouldn't take you more than fifteen minutes to find all the locations and read them. You seem think your a smart guy; so understanding what your reading shouldn't be a problem, right?
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and all those "navigators" the government hired to help people get enrolled and understand, yes, totally unnecessary.
Let's look at your first few sentences of this post. You seem to indidcate the whole of the document is complicated, long, and hard to understand. Yet, I'm telling you none of those things are correct. The administration understood that this bill would feel daunting to the average American. So a number of people were hired, trained, and even tested to see how well they could communicate information to US Citizens. Given that most businesses had to comply with the law sooner than ordinary US Citizens (i.e. insurance companies), certain groups of people were given priority over others. Most US citizens did not need much of the information until last year when the state exchanges opened.
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plus, the many dozens into hundreds of hours that employers had to spend in order to understand it when, my goodness if they could have just "read it" and understood its physical construction (as opposed to the labyrinth it is), those employers could have gotten down to the actual business of their companies instead! what were they thinking??
People have to spend "...hundreds of hours...." to understand any new law that would or might effect them. That is why lawyers whom can explain very complex stuff in 'easy bites' get paid the big bucks! Many organizations from the Chamber of Commerce to the SBA held seminars and lectures to help business owners or representatives of businesses, learn the law's requirements. The good, conservative business owner may have on one hand hoped the GOP/TP would destroy the law; they also had to prepare in the event things did not go well.
In all actually the ACA helps small business owners with employees out the best.
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the fun flow chart floating around the internet? a model of simplicity: http://dailybail.com/home/obamacare-complicated-check-out-the-flow-chart.html
While that is a nice aid to refer from time to time. That only helps those whom ACTUALLY READ THE BILL. Its like a newbie trying to understand 1st edition AD&D character sheet and asking 'What is THACO?". If they read the Player's Handbook, they would know it meant "To Hit Armor Class 0 (Zero).".
Yes, I conceded the image looks complicated and intimidating. Its really not.
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this is one of the more laughable things ive read on the forum, which is saying quite a bit given the delusional and non-sensical partisan dribble you frequently engage in.
Yet, all my information is correct, and you keep spewing forth moronic bullshit! When you laugh at me, it feels like one of those junior high school moments were you are trying to insult me. Yet, you do not understand when you have been insulted over the months on this subject and others. You have this silly notion that by attacking or insulting me, I'll shut up. Has it been working for you so far?
I can call you ignorant, BECAUSE, you didn't read the document. A document that is so easy, a freshman in high school could understand it. So why can't you understand it? Is your educational level not higher than junior high? Because your behavior certainly hasn't pass that grade yet....
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