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BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/14/2015 10:43:54 AM)

'Down There' you hate liberals. You hate them because they made the nation a better place.

Once again you display the bias of PROM.
We don't hate liberals, we disagree with them, I know you can't see the difference because you are so biased against conservatives that you have stated that we should have the government should do our thinking for us. Anyone who thinks that forfeits any expectation of being taken seriously. Finally you fall into the trap of thinking that since I don't give you the answer you want I don't answer you.




BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/14/2015 11:13:37 AM)

Tell that to the mother at the funeral whom lost their four year old child because the father was a dumb ass for leaving it out in the open and loaded....


And you tell the mother that lost two kids because her 14 year old couldn't get a gun out of the safe to protect the other two (the murderer use a pitchfork) how wonderful it was that her kids were defenseless.




BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/14/2015 11:16:05 AM)

I do not like some of the NRA instructors, because they behave unprofessionally.

Unless you are far more polite and open minded in person than you are online I suspect they got tired of you telling them how evil the NRA is.




BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/14/2015 11:21:21 AM)

So explain to me the rationale you have to waiting for something like that to happen; instead of dealing with things now?

In other words surrender now or hopefully another bunch of kids will get killed and my side will win. You are aware that even Obama admitted that not one of the laws he proposed after Sandy Hook would have had any effect.

Your problem is that you presume to know what everyone else is thinking, and what the basis for their thought is. You also assume than anything that doesn't agree with you is evasion. I not only have not refused to address your points I have destroyed them time after time, I would think you would get tired of being beaten on this subject and avoid it.




Kirata -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/14/2015 11:28:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

'Down There' you hate liberals. You hate them because they made the nation a better place.

Once again you display the bias of PROM.
We don't hate liberals, we disagree with them, I know you can't see the difference because you are so biased against conservatives that you have stated that we should have the government should do our thinking for us. Anyone who thinks that forfeits any expectation of being taken seriously. Finally you fall into the trap of thinking that since I don't give you the answer you want I don't answer you.

You are arguing with someone who is delusional. He suffers from delusions of grandeur regarding his "high intelligence," and from a companion paranoid persecutory delusion in which "conservatives" and "libertarians" (who may or may not be) are an Evil second only to the Devil threatening his country. I mean, good grief.

K.




BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/14/2015 12:05:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

'Down There' you hate liberals. You hate them because they made the nation a better place.

Once again you display the bias of PROM.
We don't hate liberals, we disagree with them, I know you can't see the difference because you are so biased against conservatives that you have stated that we should have the government should do our thinking for us. Anyone who thinks that forfeits any expectation of being taken seriously. Finally you fall into the trap of thinking that since I don't give you the answer you want I don't answer you.

You are arguing with someone who is delusional. He suffers from delusions of grandeur regarding his "high intelligence," and from a companion paranoid persecutory delusion in which "conservatives" and "libertarians" (who may or may not be) are an Evil second only to the Devil threatening his country. I mean, good grief.

K.


Yes, I am aware of that. Unfortunately there are people who read his psuedo intellectual rants and for their sake I feel the need to expose them for the delusional rants they are. Remember when early in this thread he said that we couldn't post anti gun control statements because we were to only talk about it being so dangerous to have a gun in the house? (Joe I know those were not your exact words, but to any rational person that is what you said).




thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 3:31:47 PM)

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Pure BS the primary reason for the drop in crime is the same as the primary reason for the crime explosion, demographics. As the baby boomers hit the age when people commit the most crimes crime when up, (since they represented a dispropotionate portion of the population) ,



What you are saying is that the total number of crimes increased but the number of crimes per unit of population did not. I think you are full of shit. Lets see the data.





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as they get older their crime rate has dropped brings the overall crime rate down with it. Sociology 101.




This statement says that criminals self correct and quit being criminals because they are not young any more...this sounds more like stupidology rather than sociology.[8|]




kdsub -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 4:25:17 PM)

Bama... jumping into the middle without knowing what you are responding to... never stopped me before...lol... but I hope you are not automatically associating liberal with anti-gun... I believe there are a lot of conservatives... like me... that will eventually get tired of the gun crazy society we have allowed to be created and take your damn guns away... or at least have reasonable laws governing their ownership and use.

Butch




BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 4:55:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bama... jumping into the middle without knowing what you are responding to... never stopped me before...lol... but I hope you are not automatically associating liberal with anti-gun... I believe there are a lot of conservatives... like me... that will eventually get tired of the gun crazy society we have allowed to be created and take your damn guns away... or at least have reasonable laws governing their ownership and use.

Butch

There are anti gun conservatives, and gun toting liberals.
Since you are capable of being rational, unlike Joe please do better research.
You will find that the "facts" that the left bombards you with are inacuarate.
And please explain to me how twice as many guns comes at the same time as half as much crime. Now I believe that guns have only a small part to do with this. Demographics are the main reason. But it wouldn't be possible if guns were the menace many would like us to believe. I want some gun laws, even some that could be considered more restrictive. Unfortunaly most attempts at gun laws jump right past reasonable to the more we stick it to legitimate gun owners the better. If we hit them hard enough and are lucky in 10 or 20 years bad guys won't have them any more. Name one law that has been brought up that isn't aimed at the people who will follow the law.




thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 4:59:48 PM)

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Name one law that has been brought up that isn't aimed at the people who will follow the law.


The one that says it is illegal for a felon to own a firearm.




thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:02:12 PM)

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There are anti gun conservatives.

You will find that the "facts" that the left bombards you with are inacuarate.


But anti-gun conservatives would not lie?[8|]




kdsub -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:04:40 PM)

No need for me to defend or explain... I am just telling you I am conservative, on some things anyway...I know others...and we are tired of gun crap and mark my words eventually there will be a crack down if things go on as they are now.

Butch




thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:06:37 PM)

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I want some gun laws, even some that could be considered more restrictive.


Which laws would those be?




thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:08:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

No need for me to defend or explain... I am just telling you I am conservative...I know others...and we are tired of gun crap and mark my words eventually there will be a crack down if things go on as they are now.

Butch


Same question...what laws would you like to see put in place?




kdsub -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:13:16 PM)

It would behoove the NRA and responsible folks like you to drop the give and inch give a mile mentality and help come up with enforceable, and responsible laws to govern gun use and ownership. I really believe if you don't there will be an anti-gun backlash that will end up taking your gun rights away...Up to you

Butch




kdsub -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:17:37 PM)

Many times I have listed laws I would like to see... very specific laws not generalities... and just like these gun threads I am tired of the same people with the same responses... me included. What I proposed is out there with a little searching.

thompsonx I'll bet you get tired of repeating yourself over and over as well.

Butch




BamaD -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:31:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

It would behoove the NRA and responsible folks like you to drop the give and inch give a mile mentality and help come up with enforceable, and responsible laws to govern gun use and ownership. I really believe if you don't there will be an anti-gun backlash that will end up taking your gun rights away...Up to you

Butch

You do know that polls show that the public is heading our direction.
Charleston happened because the cops and ATF didn't do their jobs by the current laws. If the proper information had been in the system he couldn't get the gun. Several of the worst cases in recent years have been the same.
Some because their shrinks new they were a danger to everyone about them but failed to act. Over one hundred thousand people are stopped from getting a gun because they are felons but about 1000 are prosecuted. Don't you think they should pursue this more rather than go after everyone else?

Not to be argumentative but unless you can show that gun laws aren't aimed at the people who obey laws you can't argue that we need them. Unless you can explain the oxymoronic possition that with more guns than ever we have the lowest crime rate in 50 years that guns cause crime you cannot insist that guns are the problem.

Every time we compromise and go alone with "the solution" gun-a-phobes declare it to "be a beginning" , so why should we compromise. All a compromise does is serve as a kickoff point for the next drive. We have had registration in NY, CA, and NO all used that to go back and confiscate them.

You say pro gun people need to compromise, but when gun-a-phobes talk about what reasonable laws we need it makes private ownership an impossiblity. How many times have you heard that if we just had "reasonable" laws like Australia. That is no repeaters, no handguns. They go on about Australias low crime rate since they passed these laws but refuse to answer when it is pointed out that they had the same low rates before the laws.

You know down deep what the real problem is.
No values.
Lack of respect for the property and lives of others.
Drugs and gangs.




thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:31:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Many times I have listed laws I would like to see... very specific laws not generalities... and just like these gun threads I am tired of the same people with the same responses... me included. What I proposed is out there with a little searching.

thompsonx I'll bet you get tired of repeating yourself over and over as well.

Butch

Nah it just improves my typing skills.
Which laws do you want butch?





thompsonx -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:33:41 PM)

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You know down deep what the real problem is.
No values.
Lack of respect for the property and lives of others.
Drugs and gangs.


You really are a simple minded phoque.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Defending the House with Guns! (9/16/2015 5:50:24 PM)

There are a few problems here. First, is that any less than Effective confiscatory laws have had and will have zero effect on law breakers, by definition, the problem. Even the POTUS admits none of his proposed laws would have any effect on the recent tragedies. If the country is seeing over a $100 Billion in drugs come over the border yearly and into every neighborhood on North America, at the cost of the most imprisoned society in history, how are a few more laws going to change a violence prone society? ANY idea how many fully auto shoulder arms are in armories in every NG facility in the US?? Or how well 3D printing works now?
IMHO, the real advance in public safety comes from full effort by local, state and Feds to enforce and maximally penalize criminal gun use and trafficing, far from the reality of mostly politically motivated individuals with no motivation to actually solve problems besides getting headlines for showy arrests.
And the widely known result of every serious study on gun and social violence, actually in-place comprehensive public mental health programs that use state of the art techniques and trained personnel. Maybe even less prevalent than co-operating enforcement structures between locals, state and feds. We KNOW how to lower social violence, but legislatures won't budget for it, instead spending far more for prisons that we know are wastes of money and human lives. Just keeping at risk teenagers in some sort of school to become basically literate cuts every criminal stat going dramatically. This has to be a bit more focused and knowledgeable than DARE programs which never have done squat.
Second is the above mentioned move to advance any restriction as far as possible instead of making reasonable progress in useful directions. Almost always ignoring real benefits to gain bigger headlines. The general ignorance of small arms and ammunition ballistics has made most detailed laws from stupid to bizarre. Anti-gun people and groups who know only what they see in Hollywood violence exploitation pics with people using infinite magazine super weapons made to look even more dangerous means no useful regulation Could come from them.
What is ignored is that we have to change the People, weapons are just means to ends. And a Hell of a lot more dangerous weapons are moving to the street and through labs every day now than firearms. The first weaponized drone that is used on the US public in a mass killing is going to be a shock, except to anyone with a education. And it won't be by a Islamic Fundamentalist. Read Wired for a couple of months if this isn't clear. Like legislating against IEDs, how ya gonna outlaw pressure cookers used for evil purposes?
Bioweapons are soon to be everywhere as the new gene splicing is used for good purposes and the tech gets widespread. Like a hammer or a .22, intent is the difference, not the tool. Lots of people with evil intent was bad enough with swords, spears and bows and arrows. Our growth as tool using animals changes nothing but the body count. Changing the culture that determines the mind set and stability of the people is where the rubber has to hit the road. There Have been relatively non-violent cultures! Given Hollywood exploitation pics and the convergence of mass media to 'reality' shows, there is little hope here. What are your kids watching tonight? Vicious people behaving badly? First shooter games? Who's helping the strange kid down the block learn to participate in the world around him instead of plotting revenge for the savage bullying the other kids on the block regularly deliver. Including most of those of 'good' parents.
Gun laws are stupidly simplistic answers to far more complicated problems than most activists on either side want to address. Anyone who realistically figures how to enforce an effective gun control soon realizes the police power necessary is the biggest danger to the Constitution ever. Some solution to public safety.




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