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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/20/2015 6:15:15 PM   
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He doesn't see to understand that equal oppotunity does not mean equal outcome.


Yup...I never have seen white people hanging from trees like christmas ornaments. Equal opportunity without equal power is not equal opportunity.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/20/2015 11:32:46 PM   
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Blacks are arrested and incarcerated at a rate much higher than their demographic in the general population. Our society has historically held this racist attitude for about 400 years.

Except for the fact that disparities in racially disaggregated data are not prima facie evidence of racism,

What is it then? About 4000 black people hanging from trees is prima facia evidence of what? If it is not racism what is it?

Except that the vast majority of lynchings were carried out as extrajudicial punishments, and "4000 black people hanging from trees" is a dishonest account of them. About a third as many whites were lynched too, and the blacks weren't all innocent.


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You have mentioned poverty as a posibility yet you offer no evidence to support that or any of the other "what if" proffered.

Well you've already dismissed anything else as due to race anyway, so what would be the point of playing your circular game of racial politics again?

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/20/2015 11:45:09 PM   
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He doesn't see to understand that equal oppotunity does not mean equal outcome.

Yup...I never have seen white people hanging from trees like christmas ornaments.

Come to think of it, I've never seen anybody strung up with colored lights and tinsel. But leaving aside your choice of metaphor, the question arises as to whether you're being willfully dishonest or whether you could really be so ignorant.

K.



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 4:48:17 AM   
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Bush first term.

Oh ya, I keep thinking his race with Al Gore was his second term. Forgot thanks to his reaction to 9/11, he easily won the second term.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 4:50:28 AM   
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Amerika has about 330 million people. In the last presidential election less than 130 million cast their votes. Only a little over half voted for the current president  63/330=does not a majority make. 

I think to look at it from this angle, it would be fairer to compare how many eligible voters were there out of 330mil.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 4:51:38 AM   
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You may believe any idiotic shit you choose. Do a little google searching and disabuse yourself of your ignorance.

This is exactly why Americans will always insist on owning guns, because they actually feel the need for guns is to protect themselves from the police since they somehow believe their entire police force is corrupt.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 4:59:30 AM   
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This was a case where a cop was not convicted of what many perceived to be the wrongful murder of a black dude so the DOJ stepped in and investigated it themselves.

Or do you believe that the DOJ routinely involves itself in local affairs? Does it just up and investigate anything it wants to across the nation, without cause, just because they have nothing better to do?

Where are you going with this? So my interpretation of what you are saying is, Obama is involved in getting DOJ involved, that is his role in making sure that, if wrongful murder has happened, this cop better get thrown in jail.

And since DOJ findings has acquitted this dude, and they were sent by Obama. It's like...., um..., okay....???









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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 5:14:48 AM   
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Did you know that there are fewer unwed single mothers than there are divorced/widowed single mothers?  

You know when I am thinking about fathers not being involved in their children's life in a positive way, it's not unwed mothers I am thinking about. Whether she is wed/single/divorced, has nothing to do with the father's involvement in his child's life as a positive role model, but has to do with what type of father the kids are unfortunate to have as role models.
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Please tell us the name of this philantropic organization that is doing so much good.

I never asked for the name of the organization and even if I did, to practically say I am friends with someone who is involve in this organization is outing myself isn't it? Too bad I can never prove anything that have the tiny possibility of leading to my real identity and won't be baited into it. You can discredit this as much as you want, but people are out there trying to good things. Not everyone is evil.

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Would it not be cheaper to upgrade the schools so that everyone got a good education and not just the few getting bussed?

The problem with the school, is not the quality of the education, but the quality of the students attending the school. They need these kids to mingle with kids from better more healthy families and have friends who aren't into gangs and drugs, you know, have boring study nerds as friends rather than friends who encourage more destructive behaviours. As there is alot of peer pressure. They want to move the kids to an environment where the peer pressure is positive peer pressure, about bettering their lives, upgrading themselves, rather than self-destructive traits. Upgrading the school in their area, just by reputation of that area, will not help in making the influences better.


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We all appreciate your input...no matter how ignorant,unsubstantiated or ill formed it may be.  I on the other hand live here. That coupled with being old gives me a special perspective on my country and "race relations" there in.  I have lived with segregation and racism, you have not. You have no frame of reference for it. Wouldn't it behove your post for you to have done a bit of research on the history of "race relationship" rather than rely on anectdotal "evidence" from your "friend"?



Perhaps the problem is your age! While you lived in times where blacks used to experienced more discrimination, but for some strange reason, you aren't seeing how through the years, this is decreasing and many more people are embracing them as equal useful human beings who are capable of being positive contribution to society.

Obama himself got to be a lawyer because he came from a healthier middle class upbringing, and look where he is now. The goal would be, how to help these kids get similar upbringing, healthier upbringing. That's all they need. And regardless of colour, any kid in a bad environment, will have a lower chance of making it decent in life. And right now, it just happens the black community is in that situation and need alot more help to get out of it. Put any other race in the same environment, the outcome will be the same.



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 5:23:16 AM   
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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 5:27:03 AM   
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Except that the vast majority of lynchings were carried out as extrajudicial punishments, and "4000 black people hanging from trees" is a dishonest account of them.

 
My statement said "about 4000" the dishonest account is all yours.
 
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 About a third as many whites were lynched too,
 
Wasn't that  what concerned roosevelt when he menitoned it in his inaugural address. Not that blacks were being murdered but that this sort of thing could spill over into the white comunity.
 
 
 
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and the blacks weren't all innocent.

 
Perhaps you are not from around here but in my country everyone is innocent till proved guilty


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You have mentioned poverty as a posibility yet you offer no evidence to support that or any of the other "what if" proffered.

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Well you've already dismissed anything else as due to race anyway, so what would be the point of playing your circular game of racial politics again?

K.

You have offered no evidence for me to dismiss, only unsubstantiated opinions....like "and the blacks weren't all innocent".

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 5:32:00 AM   
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Come to think of it, I've never seen anybody strung up

 
I have seen black people hanging from trees, that seems to be one of the differences between you and me.
 
 



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 5:33:48 AM   
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Amerika has about 330 million people. In the last presidential election less than 130 million cast their votes. Only a little over half voted for the current president  63/330=does not a majority make. 

I think to look at it from this angle, it would be fairer to compare how many eligible voters were there out of 330mil.


That would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion and nothing more.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 5:35:16 AM   
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You may believe any idiotic shit you choose. Do a little google searching and disabuse yourself of your ignorance.

This is exactly why Americans will always insist on owning guns, because they actually feel the need for guns is to protect themselves from the police since they somehow believe their entire police force is corrupt.


Once again that would be your ignorant,unsubstantiated opinion and nothing else.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 6:36:35 AM   
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Once again that would be your ignorant,unsubstantiated opinion and nothing else.


Guns are still legal. Enough said! Unsubstantiated? Guns are still legal!

And don't get me wrong. I understand that Guns are legal because people cannot trust the police to keep bad people from hurting them.

People cannot even trust the Police from turning against them.

There are just serious trust issues!

So they feel they need guns for self-protection.

Guns makes majority of Americans feel safe. So Guns is there to stay.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 6:38:10 AM   
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And since DOJ findings has acquitted this dude,


The doj did not acquit this dude. The doj said he was not indictable and gave the reasons. Had you actually read the doj report you would not post such stupid statements.


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 and they were sent by Obama. It's like...., um..., okay....???


The doj does not need the president to send them anywhere. They have that authority.



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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 7:05:27 AM   
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Did you know that there are fewer unwed single mothers than there are divorced/widowed single mothers?  

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You know when I am thinking about fathers not being involved in their children's life in a positive way, it's not unwed mothers I am thinking about. Whether she is wed/single/divorced, has nothing to do with the father's involvement in his child's life as a positive role model, but has to do with what type of father the kids are unfortunate to have as role models.


That is not what you said before, now is it?

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Please tell us the name of this philantropic organization that is doing so much good.

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I never asked for the name of the organization and even if I did, to practically say I am friends with someone who is involve in this organization is outing myself isn't it?


Yeah right

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 Too bad I can never prove anything that have the tiny possibility of leading to my real identity and won't be baited into it. You can discredit this as much as you want, but people are out there trying to good things. Not everyone is evil.


I would agree that not everyone is evil. I would also agree that many would make shit up to support thier position. Your imaginary friend and their imaginary private 'help the blacks' organization will continue to be a figment of your imagination and not part of this discussion.




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Would it not be cheaper to upgrade the schools so that everyone got a good education and not just the few getting bussed?

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The problem with the school, is not the quality of the education, but the quality of the students attending the school. They need these kids to mingle with kids from better more healthy families and have friends who aren't into gangs and drugs,


Morons will use the "drugs and gangs" theme when they lack data. Your assumption is that black people are inferior and need to be exposed to "good" white influences is typically racists. Why do you assume that blacks are inferior and need to be exposed to these other influences to "improve themselves?


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 you know, have boring study nerds as friends rather than friends who encourage more destructive behaviours. As there is alot of peer pressure. They want to move the kids to an environment where the peer pressure is positive peer pressure, about bettering their lives, upgrading themselves, rather than self-destructive traits. Upgrading the school in their area, just by reputation of that area, will not help in making the influences better.


Like dylan klebold, along with his friend eric harris?
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We all appreciate your input...no matter how ignorant,unsubstantiated or ill formed it may be.  I on the other hand live here. That coupled with being old gives me a special perspective on my country and "race relations" there in.  I have lived with segregation and racism, you have not. You have no frame of reference for it. Wouldn't it behove your post for you to have done a bit of research on the history of "race relationship" rather than rely on anectdotal "evidence" from your "friend"?



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Perhaps the problem is your age! While you lived in times where blacks used to experienced more discrimination, but for some strange reason, you aren't seeing how through the years, this is decreasing


Your ignorance is only matched by your arrogance. You do not live here and I do. You do not know me but you feel qualified to speak to what I know.


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 and many more people are embracing them as equal useful human beings


They were always looked upon as "useful" they were slaves for fucks sake or had you forgotten that?


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 who are capable of being positive contribution to society.


If you were not so ignorant you would have used google to find out that black people have been contributing to society since before christ was a crossing guard. It was a black man who developed the proceedure for heart transplants. It is a black man who gives the directions to the surgeon when they are performing this operation.
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That's all they need. And regardless of colour, any kid in a bad environment, will have a lower chance of making it decent in life. And right now, it just happens the black community is in that situation and need alot more help to get out of it.


It has been going on for about 400 years so it is not "just now"


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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 7:09:15 AM   
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Once again that would be your ignorant,unsubstantiated opinion and nothing else.


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Guns are still legal. Enough said! Unsubstantiated? Guns are still legal!

Please pay attention to what I say and not what you want to hear.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 11:09:32 AM   
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Bush first term.

Oh ya, I keep thinking his race with Al Gore was his second term. Forgot thanks to his reaction to 9/11, he easily won the second term.


It is interesting to note that while Gore got more popular votes nobody got a majority. In fact it was so close that when taken out to a tenth of a percentage point Bush and Gore had the same percentage of the vote.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 1:08:37 PM   
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Except that the vast majority of lynchings were carried out as extrajudicial punishments, and "4000 black people hanging from trees" is a dishonest account of them.

My statement said "about 4000" the dishonest account is all yours.

Except that I didn't question the accuracy of the "4000" number. So the above is either a deliberate misrepresentation, or you are dumber than a bag of hammers. In either case, be careful not to bump your head crawling back under your rock.

K.

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RE: On the All Lives Matter Issue - 9/21/2015 1:13:19 PM   
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you are dumber than a bag of hammers. In either case, be careful not to bump your head crawling back under your rock.
 

Insults are what fools substitute for validation of thier opinions.

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