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MikeRaven -> How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/20/2015 7:59:44 PM)

I met someone on this site and we have been dating for about 3 months. She is a single mother of 2 and leads a very busy life. We have been on approximately 12 dates and each time she is late. I'm not talking about 3 minutes or 5 minutes each time. She is at least 20 minutes late each time.

I drive 40 minutes to her city to meet her at a restaurant. If we are to meet at 1:00pm she will text me at 1:00pm and tell me she is running late. It's always at least another 20 minutes. The latest was 40 minutes.

However, I noticed this with other people I've met and have had dinner dates with. They are always late?

Why are they late?
Because... [insert valid and believable excuse here]

Whenever I bring up the subject matter of them being late, as diplomatic and nice as I can be, they always take offense.

Does this happen to anyone else? If so, how do you deal with it? Doesn't it drive you nuts?




artemiss -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/20/2015 8:06:39 PM)

How about just bank that time into your schedule? If you say five pm plan on being there are 5:30?

Yes it is rude of her not to be on time, but as she is conscientious enought to call and notify you, it doesn't sound like she is purposefully being disrespectful. She probably just isn't good with time management. We all have faults, and we all have to learn to,deal with others faults. If this is her worst one, their are ways to deal with it.




UllrsIshtar -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/20/2015 8:06:40 PM)

Considering that this has been a reoccurring issue:

In the case of you being the dominant party and her the submissive I'd merely state when scheduling the date that you expect her to be there by X time; or to be there before you are by X time. If she's not there by that time you leave and she doesn't get to see you.




littleladybug -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/20/2015 8:19:23 PM)

She's late every time? IMO, that's a clear sign that she feels that her time is more valuable than yours. I personally wouldn't put up with it.





MikeRaven -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/20/2015 8:45:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: artemiss

How about just bank that time into your schedule? If you say five pm plan on being there are 5:30?

Yes it is rude of her not to be on time, but as she is conscientious enought to call and notify you, it doesn't sound like she is purposefully being disrespectful. She probably just isn't good with time management. We all have faults, and we all have to learn to,deal with others faults. If this is her worst one, their are ways to deal with it.



I thought of what you mentioned but I'm a very prompt person. It would be difficult for me to intentionally be late because it's just not me. I realize we all have faults. However, it seems like everyone I meet, for personal relationships, are late these days.

I'm wondering if this is a trend among people now?







Verbivore -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/20/2015 9:09:19 PM)

You say that she has 2 kids and a busy life, add to that, some people are just chronically late. My bf is like that (90% of this family is, really). Even the most punctual person gets held up sometimes. You just need to figure out if it's really a deal breaker. I mean, I took up crochet because 9 times out of 100 I'm the person that's there first and so long as I'm using my time productively I don't really care if I'm by myself for a bit. I guess if you're one of those strict master types then anything less than 100% obedience to your desires at all times is inexcusable, but I find it's best to go with the flow [:D]




crazyml -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 12:26:49 AM)

Hey there,

There are lots of reasons why a person might be late, in your case it could be simply down to the fact that rearing two little'uns solo makes time management really tough, waiting for the sitter, last minute little'un dramas, etc etc. On the other hand it could be down to poor time management.

I'd begin by talking to her about it, and then it'll be for you to decide whether you can accept the lateness. I have a couple of friends who are nearly always late for meet ups, but they're great fun to be with when they do show, so I bring a book with me. In other cases, the waiting just doesn't seem worth it.

So ultimately the decision is for you to make.




DaddySatyr -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 1:22:25 AM)


In my experience, people that are chronically late are late for two primary reasons:

1) They have no regard for anyone else's time but their own. It's selfish. It could also be a psychological game where they are trying to exert their dominance over you.

2) They have little regard for spending time with you (ie; she's just not that into you). As someone else said, anyone can be late on occasion. It happens.

I live my life by "If I'm not fifteen minutes early, I'm late" and I have been late a few times, just in the last year. However, someone who is "always" late, either has time management issues (speaks to their maturity level) or just doesn't give a fat rat's ass about keeping you waiting (speaks to relationship/commitment issues).



Michael




NookieNotes -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 3:16:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
In my experience, people that are chronically late are late for two primary reasons:

1) They have no regard for anyone else's time but their own. It's selfish. It could also be a psychological game where they are trying to exert their dominance over you.

2) They have little regard for spending time with you (ie; she's just not that into you). As someone else said, anyone can be late on occasion. It happens.

I live my life by "If I'm not fifteen minutes early, I'm late" and I have been late a few times, just in the last year. However, someone who is "always" late, either has time management issues (speaks to their maturity level) or just doesn't give a fat rat's ass about keeping you waiting (speaks to relationship/commitment issues).



3) They have undiagnosed/untreated ADD or ADHD (or similar). This can set some people up for failure, no matter how carefully they plan.

4) They are overwhelmed with life, and children can really throw a wrench into the mix, especially as a single parent. ONE child learning that throwing a fit RIGHT before mom is ready to leave gets them LOTS of attention will ruin several years of your life.

My ex-husband discovered this technique. When he felt I was about to stop paying attention to him, like working on a large work project or going on a trip, he would pick a fight. I was young, and it took me 3 years before I realized the full cycle and put a halt to it. Then he came up with something better... alcoholism.

Now, I'm not making excuses. Late is late.

I am almost never late. I hate to be late. However, many of my friends are, and I still love them. I just plan around them. I bring a book, plan to play on my phone and catch up on emails, etc.

One friend is so chronically late, we tell her that things start an hour earlier, or actually pick her up from her home to make sure she gets places on time. Because we love her.

It is all up to you how you want to handle it.




Greta75 -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:16:36 AM)

I got to admit, I am chronically late :(.

Anybody who wants to be my friend is used to it!

Tardy and bad time management = me!

If she is anything like me, I don't know what is wrong in our lives but unexpected last minute little things always crop up!

But I usually give my date enough heads up. So he can come later too.

Recently I screw up so bad and couldn't give the guy heads up that I am picking from the airport, as he was uncontactable since he would be in the plane. But things at work snowballed, and I couldn't finish what I need to be done on time, my boss kept throwing back my work to me when I thought I finished, to fix this and that over and over again, and I was an hour late, and yea, he was super pissed :(. It wasn't intentional, his very important to me and I love him alot, but it was just THAT unfortunate day where his arriving and suddenly so much shit at work crop up. I mean, I always have these shit moments.

Today for example, I was 40 minutes late for something. It started with me suppose to leave office on time to be on time, to right before i leave, a colleague stopped me and asked me when is one company gonna pay for their invoice that I am taking care of. And I called the company to check and they say they haven't received the invoice! So I wasn't incharge of sending the invoice, but another colleague was, and she was out for lunch and I gotta go soon, so the invoice was like 60 pages that I had to scan in and send it over, as I am dropping by the company for other matters the next day and wouldn't be returning to the office for the rest of the day, and by the time I got all that done, I am super late. But getting that invoice done asap was impt too.

It's always something I swear!




Greta75 -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:37:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MikeRaven
I thought of what you mentioned but I'm a very prompt person. It would be difficult for me to intentionally be late because it's just not me. I realize we all have faults. However, it seems like everyone I meet, for personal relationships, are late these days.

I'm wondering if this is a trend among people now?

I'm the opposite of you. Most people I meet are extremely punctual, or even early. I mean, it drives me nuts when I give a man 2 hours notice that I will be half an hour late, keeping in mind that it only takes 15 minutes to travel anywhere within my country, and he still turn up half an hour early. I feel so guilty, but the guy would say, he has no where else to go after work, thought he'd just head there first and have a drink while waiting for me. Things like that.


I think there are always people with great time management skills and people like me who are just struggling with time management, as what Nookie say, always feeling overwhelm with alot of things and not juggling everything well enough.




OSGRedux -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 11:27:43 AM)

My issue is that I lack perception of time. If you ask me to tell you when 5 minutes has gone by, I can't tell you. I will guess short, I will guess long and sometimes be wildly off. (Psychology is finally acknowledging that this a real issue)

It has nothing to do with respect towards you or my desire to spend time with you. It's just that I'll think I'm doing fine and I'm right on schedule....then I'll look at a clock and realize that I've somehow gotten behind schedule.

At this point in my life, I use timers like crazy. If I'm getting ready to go out and meet friends, I set in 15 minute increments. (I did the same thing when I was still working in an office)




CaptR -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 3:58:53 PM)

Life as a single parent is challenging. Beyond that just give her a time to show and arrive 30 mins later a couple of times. Your time is as valuable as hers and if she is on time she can spend that wait in reflection on how her actions impact others.
Ultimately the choice to overlook your perception of the short comings in others is yours to weigh. You can either be flexible in your understanding to maintain relationships or decide someone with more structure in their life is who you seek.




CaptR -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:01:56 PM)

Forgive me Greta that was in reply to MRaven




CaptR -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:04:17 PM)

OK forgive me OSG .... I really need to stop multitasking and pay attention




catize -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:35:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MikeRaven

She is a single mother of 2 and leads a very busy life. We have been on approximately 12 dates and each time she is late. I'm not talking about 3 minutes or 5 minutes each time. She is at least 20 minutes late each time.


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Get a clue! If she is a single mother of two she won't be on time until they have grown up and moved away!!!




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:39:19 PM)

If promptness is important to you, perhaps you might choose a woman who has fewer important responsibilities. You would be pretty far down the priority list for a woman such as you described.




kallisto -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 4:56:33 PM)

Being on time has always been a "thing" with me. I'm most always at least 10 minutes early to everything. But my best friend ... I've said she will be late to her own funeral. I often tell her 1/2 earlier for things so she will be on time. Or I do as others have said and will pick her up to keep her from being late. I understand that things will come up every once in a while. But people that are chronically late ... I don't understand that.




crumpets -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 8:40:10 PM)

None of the answers above are wrong, but my take is a little different than most of them.

I learned what I'm going to summarize below from a psychologist who analyzed our 30-odd person team after we took an hour-long Myers-Briggs-style personality test, and then who lined us up, in a U-shape, in the classroom, after discussing each and every one of our dozens of questions (yes, we were lining up constantly, and then sitting down, and then lining up again in the order of the strength of our responses).

What "evolved" (which was the point), over the length of the 8-hour day, was that the ENDS of the U-shaped line often had people facing each other from across the room who had difficulty UNDERSTANDING their working styles. I know many of you are jaded the moment you hear the Myers-Briggs abbreviations being spoken, but, what was painfully obvious was that people had different STYLES of the way they acted and the way they interacted.

It was ASTOUNDING to see that the people that I had difficulty with, whom I thought were just plain stupid, were, in reality, just of a different working style.

For example, I'm a strong extrovert, so, to get a complex task figured out, I'd barge uninvited into someone's office and start erasing their whiteboard to throw a few different scenarios out, to discuss the pros and cons of, and I'd grab anyone who walked by the open door to see what they thought about each solution, and I'd toy with crazy ideas, just to see if some stuck, etc. This tactic worked FINE with the people who were lined up with me on "my" side of the room; but, the approach utterly failed with the introverts on the other side of the room.

Lo and behold, ALL the people (three or four out of 30) whom I thought were as dumb as a steel weight, were not dumb at all; they were merely the OPPOSITE in personality traits! They were the ones who always asked for a written "spec". They needed "time" to analyze the issues alone, and with birdcalls or water gently running in the background.

When I barged into "their" offices, they couldn't handle the ideas flying about. When I discussed pros and cons, they couldn't handle the level of detail. They couldn't handle that I turned on the lights brightly, and spoke loudly. They thought I was too fast; I thought they were too slow.

But it was neither. We just had different ways of handling the same things.
Same thing happened when it came to the topic of how people handle schedules!

Invariably, the ones "always late" were on one side of the room, while the ones "always early" were on the other.

I remember one person in the always-early group shouting out that it's "wrong" to be always late - where the psychologist immediately admonished her that this is an incorrect assumption (the person he admonished was a strong "J" personality - which means they believe their way is the only way, fundamentally).

He said neither way was better nor worse. In fact, when we sat back down, he went through a huge list of previously prepared slides on the BENEFITS from the people who are "always late" and the DIFFERENT benefits from the people who are always on time.

I remember some of the details, but, the point was clearly made that TIME is an invariant "RULE" to some people, while time is merely a "SUGGESTION" to others. Mostly the punctual people seemed to be the "J" types, while the less-than-punctual folks were the "P" types, which fit into the discussion of whether or not it's actually IMPORTANT to be on time, or whether something ELSE is what's important.

Of course, if it's IMPORTANT to one person that she be on time, then this is where the issue of whether that's expressly what's important to the other person starts mattering. What the psychologist said was that these PREFERENCES we have are not inviolate; but they are preferences nonetheless.

I realize this description went on too long, so I'll cut to the chase.

There are huge factors involved when someone says someone else is always late. In general, it's a "J" type personality who BELIEVES that being on time is of CRITICAL IMPORTANCE, while the other probably isn't such a "J" type, and who probably thinks other things are of a greater importance. One thinks that the stated meeting time is an inviolate CRITICALLY IMPORTANT GOAL, while the other feels it's merely a stated SUGGESTED ARRIVAL time and, often feels that this seemingly arbitrary time point is not only not at all critical, but that it's not at all what's important.

So, what we have, almost always, is the "J" type complaining about the "P" type, just as I thought the "I" type was stupid compared to the "E" type. Point is, we're all different. Strong personality types treat TIME as either a suggestion or as an inviolate rule - and - weaker personality types treat time as everything in between (it's a spectrum, after all -which is why the psychologist lined us up in a U shape). The ones in teh middle had the weakest personality (Note: The classification of weak/strong is not pejorative; it's just a measure of preference.)

The weakest personalities were always the most balanced (e.g., not too strict on time constraints, but not too loose).
It's always the strong J's that have this problem.

Methinks the OP should take the Myers-Briggs test, and that the OP should note the strength of the last of the four components, and then perform a bit of self reflection.




Greta75 -> RE: How To Handle People Who Are Always Late? (9/21/2015 9:57:35 PM)

quote:

For example, I'm a strong extrovert, so, to get a complex task figured out, I'd barge uninvited into someone's office and start erasing their whiteboard to throw a few different scenarios out, to discuss the pros and cons of, and I'd grab anyone who walked by the open door to see what they thought about each solution, and I'd toy with crazy ideas, just to see if some stuck, etc. This tactic worked FINE with the people who were lined up with me

This is will not be acceptable in any kind of situation in my country and there is no 'strong extrovert" that would even approve of this. Is this normal in the US? This behaviour? Are you from US?

With being chronically late, I recognize it as a failing and a flaw and that is not subjective as there are people who are just time management experts and can juggle anything, despite their dense packed situations.




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