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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/09/constitution-check-are-people-who-follow-some-religious-faiths-barred-from-the-presidency/
Interesting article on religious oaths. I agree. I remember when Kennedy was being elected there was rampant fear in some that he would take orders from the Pope. Didn'thappen but it was a fear.

If faithfully executing the office of the President violates (insert religion here) tenets, then followers of (insert religion here) should never be President of the US.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

IF (notice it's a big "if" lol) a Muslim will be required to violate the tenets of his/her faith when faithfully executing the position of President of the US, then Dr. Carson was correct, and a Muslim should never be in the position of President. But, what Dr. Carson didn't say - and he may not agree with - that applies to followers of any faith. If faithfully executing the office of the President violates Catholic tenets, then Catholics should never be President of the US.

Let me repeat:

If faithfully executing the office of the President violates (insert religion here) tenets, then followers of (insert religion here) should never be President of the US.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/09/constitution-check-are-people-who-follow-some-religious-faiths-barred-from-the-presidency/
Interesting article on religious oaths. I agree. I remember when Kennedy was being elected there was rampant fear in some that he would take orders from the Pope. Didn'thappen but it was a fear.

If your position in public office requires you to violate tenets of your faith, you should probably not be in that position. If you will have to choose to violate the US Constitution or tenets of your faith in a public office, you shouldn't be in that public office.

IF (notice it's a big "if" lol) a Muslim will be required to violate the tenets of his/her faith when faithfully executing the position of President of the US, then Dr. Carson was correct, and a Muslim should never be in the position of President. But, what Dr. Carson didn't say - and he may not agree with - that applies to followers of any faith. If faithfully executing the office of the President violates Catholic tenets, then Catholics should never be President of the US.

Let me repeat:

If faithfully executing the office of the President violates (insert religion here) tenets, then followers of (insert religion here) should never be President of the US.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
The U.S. Constitution says that there should be no litmus test regarding religion. I agree that that is a great ideal, but let's face it: we're all human and when it comes to people that are "true believers", that status (and to which "sect" they belong) definitely comes into play.
If I didn't already hate the fact that he was a socialist, when Obama's Reverend Wright fiasco came to light, I had some serious doubts about his ability to truly be an American president. I do have to admit that when he could no longer defend the idiot (Wright) and he cut him loose, politically, I was able to despise Obama as "just another lying politician".
He sat in Wright's church for 20 years and I'll bet Wright didn't just come to his "God damn America" preaching style two weeks before we found out about it.
Sure, I've been in churches where I didn't agree with the message that was coming from the pulpit (but at that point, it was my last time there). That gets into a whole 'nother issue: the left likes to make a lot of noise about "churches are no longer churches, when they start taking political positions". Is Wright/his church paying taxes these days? No. Of course he/they aren't.
Back to my first paragraph:
It does matter if someone is a "true believer". True believers will always weigh the tenets of their faith heavier than the constitution. It happens in all faiths. Would a true Catholic vote for a pro-abortionist? Would a true "atheist" (That's pronounced: "American Liberal" for those of you in Poughkeepsie) ever vote for a pro life candidate?
Whether the constitution says it or not, religion does matter (on a personal level).
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I think this part is über important, given recent events:

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
If your position in public office requires you to violate tenets of your faith, you should probably not be in that position. If you will have to choose to violate the US Constitution or tenets of your faith in a public office, you shouldn't be in that public office.

What about if one is elected to an office where no part of their job requirement would violate their religious tenets and then ... the job (law) changes?
The attitude coming from the left is: "Fuck them. Too bad. So sad."
That's my issue with this whole Kentucky thing. Handle it at the ballot box and vote her out, next time. No?
Michael

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
No No My oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic didn't include anything about religion. I have spent my entire life since I was 17 serving that oath both on active duty, retirement and municipal service. I do believe that oath takes precedence over religion. It was the comment by Bernie Sanders last weekend that triggered the thought in my mind. And even tho I was a republican I am and continue to be a strong Kennedy supporter.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
No No My oath to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic didn't include anything about religion. I have spent my entire life since I was 17 serving that oath both on active duty, retirement and municipal service. I do believe that oath takes precedence over religion. It was the comment by Bernie Sanders last weekend that triggered the thought in my mind. And even tho I was a republican I am and continue to be a strong Kennedy supporter.

If you put your oath to defend the Constitution above the tenets of your faith, if your faith requires you to hold God above all, then you aren't faithfully attending the tenets of your faith.

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ORIGINAL: joether
If the President is a good person, whom makes good decisions and has good people around them; does their religious beliefs really matter?

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ORIGINAL: joether

If the President is a good person, whom makes good decisions and has good people around them; does their religious beliefs really matter?

Conservatives in this nation demand one not only be christian, but their definition of christian. Given that they are pseudo-christians, they demand that person ALSO be a pseudo-christian. A pseudo christian is one that picks and chooses which parts of the bible they will follow and the rest are ignored. Often mean, hate-filled, ignorant, and super distrusting of anything and anyone.

If some non-christian were running for office that not only had good things to say, but an actual plan to accomplish them; we would be dumb not to listen.

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ORIGINAL: joether

If the President is a good person, whom makes good decisions...

...A pseudo christian is one that picks and chooses which parts of the bible they will follow and the rest are ignored. Often mean, hate-filled, ignorant, and super distrusting of anything and anyone.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

all that venom over an "m"