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notaBULL -> Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 6:30:17 PM)

After exchanging many messages with Mistresses on here, I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery. Basically, I had to debate many times if slaves are supposed to have sex with their owners. No! Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.



UllrsIshtar -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 6:49:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.



If you're under my control, and I own ya, I'm gonna fuck you if I want to.

Just like happened to historical slaves.



Missokyst -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 7:18:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

I need to go with this answer below.
Historically slavery often included sex.

quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.



If you're under my control, and I own ya, I'm gonna fuck you if I want to.

Just like happened to historical slaves.





UllrsIshtar -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 8:21:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.



I can go with that one too... if you're subject to my influence, you're going to do whatever I want you to do... Including fuck me in the ass if the mood should strike me.

I have only two expectations of slaves: absolute obedience and exquisite beauty (not necessarily limited to physical appearance, but including mannerism, attitude, speech, etc... I'm still very Gorean that way). I can't think of anything I'd want from a slave that isn't covered by those two things.

When I own slaves, I do so because they're pleasing to me. And in enjoying how pleasing they are, I'm going to put them to whatever purpose that suits me.
I really don't give a fuck whether or not that jives with the slave's idea of what their slavery ought to look like. Slaves don't get to dictate to me what expectations I'm 'allowed' to place on them.







UllrsIshtar -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 8:43:10 PM)

Before replying to this thread the first time, I checked out the OPs profile.

In response to me looking at his profile, he messaged me.

I replied, and in the reply stated that I had responded to this thread.

To which he replied:

"so what is the point of you messaging me here now Miss

this is a waste of my time"

And then blocked me.

Gotta say, first time I've ever gotten blocked by a dude by stating that I'd have sex with him if I wanted to. [:D]



DarkSteven -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 9:44:23 PM)

Those damn Dominant women with experience, contradicting a man with a dictionary.



stef -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 10:08:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

After exchanging many messages with Mistresses on here, I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery. Basically, I had to debate many times if slaves are supposed to have sex with their owners. No! Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.

Thank god you finally came along and cleared this up for us!



dreamlady -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 10:21:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: notaBULL
After exchanging many messages with Mistresses on here, I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery. Basically, I had to debate many times if slaves are supposed to have sex with their owners. No! Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.
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OP, you call yourself a slave and you're going to dictate to your prospective Owner what HER definition of slavery is or isn't? ROFLMAO[sm=biggrin.gif]

Historically, there have been many types of slaves, just as there are many different types of household servants. A domestic slave performs domestic duties and this has nothing to do with generating or not generating income for his or her Owner, in the same way that a hired servant may or may not be used to produce household income depending on the servant's skillset.

In BDSM slavery for example, it would generally be illegal for a sex slave to get pimped out to provide income. You don't want to be a sex slave evidently, so that's your Hard Limit.
However, I find it supremely ironic that you think of yourself as an authority on the "true" definition of slavery, when there is no such thing as a "true" BDSM slave.
Not only does "real" slavery not exist (except for the non-consensual criminal variety), but your concept of *slavery* would have you be puppet master in a poly household consisting of your Mistress, her Bull, and 5 slaves, according to your profile.

Good luck with that -- you'll need it.

Btw, my definition of slavery if I believed in it - which I don't - would be that of owning a sex slave as a mandatory proviso. After all, what use would I have for a slave, or any live-in male (companion) for that matter, if he could not or would not want to attend to EVERY SINGLE ONE of my erotic needs? Pff-ft.

quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.

If you're under my control, and I own ya, I'm gonna fuck you if I want to.

Just like happened to historical slaves.

Ishtar, that's assuming slave dude can fuck (or get it up) in the first place.
OP might not want to have sex with his Mistress cuz he wants Bull dude to be the one fucking all of them, including him. [8D]

DreamLady



Bunnicula -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 10:29:34 PM)

Maybe the OP has a medical reason for his insistence of 'hands off ma cock, bitch!'.

He's 52. Sometimes stuff happens...or doesn't...when you get older, if you catch my drift. [8|]

Although I'm sure any weal and twue Mistress has a 12 inch strap-on ready for just such an occasion!



UllrsIshtar -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/29/2015 11:16:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

quote:


If you're under my control, and I own ya, I'm gonna fuck you if I want to.

Just like happened to historical slaves.

Ishtar, that's assuming slave dude can fuck (or get it up) in the first place.
OP might not want to have sex with his Mistress cuz he wants Bull dude to be the one fucking all of them, including him. [8D]

DreamLady


If he can't get it up, there's penis gags and male strap-ons. Just because I want to get fucked doesn't necessarily mean want him to get to fuck me, if you get my drift. I actually own a rather fun "strap-on sleeve" type device that goes over a dude's erect penis so that he gets virtually no stimulation from penetration at all.

To be honest, I don't tend to have a lot of sex with male slaves (it's happened, but it's an exception). I actually tend to prefer the model of "male chastity slave to do the work/Dominant guy to fuck" that the OP so seems to favor.

However, I'll be damned if I let my property tell me what I can and can't do. If I wanted to negotiate about what I am and am not allowed to do, I'd get a submissive instead of a slave (and yes, that right there is evident of the narrow way in which *I* personally define the difference between the two, and should not be taken as the "true" way for the entire kink community... other people maintain different definitions than that one, which are just as valid because they're coming from different perspectives than I am).




thishereboi -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 2:58:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

After exchanging many messages with Mistresses on here, I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery. Basically, I had to debate many times if slaves are supposed to have sex with their owners. No! Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.


You mean they have no idea what slavery means to you and as hard as this may be for you to understand, they don't have to. If they want to have sex with someone and still call them their slave then that is none of your business. And since real slavery is illegal you also are not following the exact definition. Good luck with that.



Greta75 -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 3:27:27 AM)

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Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.

Excellent! Why don't you just advertise that. "I want a mistress who will not have sex with me, but I hope to live my life to provide her with an income!"

I am sure you will find your dream owner that way!

You sure aren't asking for much anyway!



LadyPact -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 3:42:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL
After exchanging many messages with Mistresses on here, I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery. Basically, I had to debate many times if slaves are supposed to have sex with their owners. No! Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.

Well, you can kinda debate it all that you want but that doesn't mean that your interpretation regarding sex is any more accurate than that of anyone else. Seems to me, if you don't want to be of sexual use, but it's a requirement of the owner, that seems to be reflective of involuntary service right there. If the slave says no and the owner says yes, exactly who wins?

You can go about seeking any type of M/s that is best suited for you and that includes somebody for the other side of the slash who agrees with your thoughts on the issue of sexual servitude. However, that makes your opinion on the subject no more 'right' than those who say that owned slaves are required to perform sexually.

However, I do wonder if your attitude is the same regarding (het) male owners of their (het) female slaves? Do you tell male owners that their female slaves are also not supposed to be used for sex? If you don't, you are displaying a gender bias.




NookieNotes -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 3:52:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar


quote:

ORIGINAL: notaBULL

slav·er·y (slā′və-rē, slāv′rē)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.



If you're under my control, and I own ya, I'm gonna fuck you if I want to.

Just like happened to historical slaves.



Set. Point. Match.

Yup. This is how I feel about it. If I own you, I own that cock. If I own a cock, then I will use it as I see fit to give myself pleasure. Period.



Lucylastic -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 4:48:56 AM)

Yes its a failing...a terrible character flaw to want to lust at my age....the horror.
Im with the other ladies... I will do whatever I want with "MINE", whenever I want, within limits agreed. I certainly wouldnt want to have that much "intimacy" without sex.
I can understand that sex and emotions can cause problems in a service situation, so I have absolutely no problem with no sex service slaves, but it sure isnt my thing.



OsideGirl -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 8:36:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery.


My interpretation of the definition is that slavery isn't voluntary, so arguing about the sex part in the context of a voluntary relationship is moot in my view.

That said...if you think slave owners didn't have sex with their slaves you're mistaken. Thomas Jefferson had several children with one of his slaves.



DesFIP -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 9:32:21 AM)

So what you're saying is that The Man isn't the head of this house unless he does what you want, instead of what he wants. Funny thing is, that doesn't fit any definition of dominant I know, having to obey stranger online.

I would love to know what dictionary the op's using.



BitaTruble -> RE: Definition of slavery (9/30/2015 9:42:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

Slaves simply exist to provide income, as explained below.


I agree, 100%. ::slaps a collar on you:: I own you now, slave. Send me all your money and every
penny you earn from now until the day you die.

::immediately quits job and sashays out to the Prada website::



alien8 -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/2/2015 12:51:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: notaBULL

After exchanging many messages with Mistresses on here, I noticed members do not know the true definition of slavery. [...]


Look, if you cannot get with the idea of sexual service as part of slavery, that is perfectly valid and should list it as a hard limit on your profile. Although I can't identify with your preference I can kind of see where you're coming from, and how the how being asked to move out of the slave role that you have constructed for yourself would burst your balloon, and all the eroticism would evaporate in an instant. You have very specific needs and obviously the sexual unavailability of your domme is key to your fulfillment. It is perfectly fair for you to advertise that fact and make it a litmus test for the sort of relationship you are willing to participate in. I wish you all the luck in the world in finding someone or some poly group that you are compatible with and where your mutual preferences match up.

But what you can't do is project your personal desires onto everyone else's relationships and desires. It's offensive to other people and self-defeating for you. If you like being put down/humiliated, there are better ways to solicit that than by pre-emptively offending or annoying people to elicit a stining rebuke. That's passive-aggressive behavior that hurts other people unnecessarily, including people who you are not personally interacting with. It's the conversational equivalent of letting off a big fart or a stink bomb in a small room because you want to get attention from other people, and it's not sustainable because everntually everyone will just block or avoid you.

And reaching for the dictionary to tell everyone else what the definition of slavery is? No, just no. That sort of thing is acceptable when you are 12, but you are 52, and for an adult to rely on such shallow arguments just looks lame. Take responsibility for your preferences about the role you would like to occupy as what they are - preferences. You can state them clearly and politely in your profile, rather than in the rude and sarcastic way it is worded now. And if you do that and you are patient, then there's a good chance you'll find someone who is a good fit with that, although it might take a while. But don't try to to make a big noise about how there is only one right definition of slavery - yours - and then attach yourself to that. It's really obnoxious.

Years ago at SM clubs in London there used to be one guy who always showed up in a tiny thong and would stand in front of unsuspecting people getting in their way. Of course they'd ask and then tell him to get out of their way, and this was his thing - he'd get in front of people and annoy them so they would be obnoxious and abusive to him. But it would only work on new people who weren't wise to his tactic; once they knew about it people would just turn their backs when they saw him coming and he would wander round the club all evening getting ignored. Now maybe that was his real objective and he somehow found fulfillment that way, but it seems like a lonely and fearful way to get your kicks, compared to articulating the sort of situation you're looking for and respectfully giving people the opportunity to consider that from their own perspective. Don't be like that guy.



crazyml -> RE: Definition of slavery (10/2/2015 1:52:12 PM)

Good luck in your search



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