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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 3:59:46 PM   
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Dude, not right. Not even close.

That was kinda my point.


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I know you're a better man than that.

That's kind of you to say. Patience, alas, is not my strong suit.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 4:02:34 PM   
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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 4:05:21 PM   
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Hi, I'm the local transsexual waiting for a fascist like you to come and murder me, seeing as directly because of people like you the average life expectancy for people like me is about the age of 30. Sincerely, fuck you, not arsed if I get banned, why the fuck is this rampant racebaiting bullshit even allowed. Seriously it's 2015 fucking get with it.

My apologies, it says this post is in reply to freedomdwarf, when it is infact directed at jlf1961, and all you other militarist nationalist wankers

Where the heck did this come from?

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 4:05:46 PM   
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It's funny how people pick and choose what parts they want to pay attention to. If you keep reading beyond that part that you highlighted, you will also read, ". . .the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." It does NOT say that the right of the militia shall not be infringed. The last time I checked, I was part of the people, so my right should not be infringed.



Militia rights can be infringed. It is to maintain good order and discipline. Just like the Uniform Code of Military Justice infringes upon the rights of our armed forces.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 4:23:33 PM   
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Jif, why do you want guns? Is it so you can hunt and feed your family? Is it so you can protect yourself and your family? Is it because you see it as American tradition? or your constitutional right?

What exactly did Thomas Jefferson say in the 2nd amendment ? You don't need to answer that because I know exactly what was written in 1791 "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How should we interpret that? Surely it means only those citizens who are part of a "well-regulated militia" have the right to bear arms and not just anyone? What it didn't mean is, any unregulated Tom, Dick or Harry has the right to carry a whole arsenal of weapons and shoot some poor fucker who just wandered onto his property because he wanted to tell the owner his dog had just got over the fence.





Do you even know what a militia is?

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10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.



Now to continue further:

The simple fact that the National Guard can be federalized (placed under the command of the President) removes it as a state militia which is solely under the command of the state governor.

Thus a state governor has the authority to call up any and all able bodied men of the state to act in defense of the state in case of emergency.

Now why do I want to own the number of guns I do? A couple of reasons.

1) I hunt, and I also supplement my income hunting feral hogs for local farmers and ranchers.

I have seen large feral hogs shake off a 5.56 round, and even a 7.62, thus the .456 SOCOM AR based rifle becomes a necessity.

2) After studying history most of my adult life, both in and out of the hallowed halls of academia, I have learned that governments based on the idea of a republic are notoriously short lived.

3) It is not to blow away some yahoo looking for his dog who happens to ignore the no trespassing signs, as a dog owner, I fully understand that person's situation.

It is, however, to blow away some dick head who thinks they can harm me or mine.

4) After having personally witnessed the breakdown of society after the local infrastructure has been overwhelmed for whatever reason, I am not going to be a victim.

I was in LA after the Rodney King verdicts, and look at the recent news about riots in US cities.

5) I worked for a security firm that was contracted to protect WHO health operations in various places, and trust me, when the civil authorities break down because of disease and being overwhelmed, humans turn into animals.

6) If you think that a pandemic such as the flu epidemic of 1918 is out of the question in the time of modern medicine, I suggest you read up on SARS and the new one hitting the middle east.

One virulent bug with even a 30% mortality rate would pretty much cripple a cities infrastructure. The police cant enforce the law too well if the majority of them are sick, and humans are not going to sit back and say, "Gee the cops are sick and the hospitals are overflowing, I am going to stay at home and behave myself."

Nor will they be too law abiding if the supply of food is slowed because truck drivers are too sick to deliver groceries to the store.

Humans are pretty controlled when everything is going okay, but upset the delicate balance and humans turn into mindless mobs who will burn a warehouse full of food if they think that someone else is gonna get more than they do.

When there is no power, no food and no easy way to get more, do you actually believe the US government is going to be able to step in and fix the problems? FEMA is a joke, it was overwhelmed after Katrina and was overwhelmed after Sandy when the lessons of Katrina were put into effect.

Bottom line is that I have about 50 thousand rounds of ammo for my "arsenal" which is a rifle for everyone in the house hold and pistols for those in the house that are proficient with them.

I am not going to sit around and let FEMA figure out how to solve the problem, and I can tell you now, the cops are going to be more concerned with the well being of their families in a disaster than they are about you.

Survivalists or "preppers" like myself have one driving motivation and rule, protect ours, and if you can help great, if not, go away, I have enough to worry about with my family. I will give you a few days worth of rations, but after that you are on your own.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 4:30:43 PM   
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Hi, I'm the local transsexual waiting for a fascist like you to come and murder me, seeing as directly because of people like you the average life expectancy for people like me is about the age of 30. Sincerely, fuck you, not arsed if I get banned, why the fuck is this rampant racebaiting bullshit even allowed. Seriously it's 2015 fucking get with it.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 5:45:36 PM   
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Lets forget the fact that the Swiss actually REQUIRE people to own guns and do not have the same problem, and I would hold up the much lower population of the country and a damn good reason.



You forgot the (important) fact that the Swiss army IS a militia army. You forgot to mention the important facts that while every Swiss militia man has an army weapon at home he is not allowed ammunition, he has to prove that his weapon is kept safely under lock and key with nobody able and permitted to access it but himself and his army superiors, and he is not permitted to carry his weapon unless when called to army service - and the penalties are severe if he breaks these regulations.

What a Swiss army man is permitted to do with his weapon is safe storing, cleaning, and maintenance - only.

Gun laws in Switzerland are very restrictive, because the Swiss army is a militia.



Miss, I suggest you read what a militia is under the US Law, and contrary to popular belief, it is not now, nor ever has been the national guard, since the national guard can be federalized.

A militia is subject only to the State Governor, and he has the legal authority to call up every able bodied citizen if he so desires, there are a number of states where there are State Defense Forces, which are considered a standing militia.

Just saying, the argument about what is and is not a militia has been decided by the supreme court and the laws of the US. There fore, it would be unconstitutional to pass laws that would, unless the second amendment is repealed, ban private ownership of firearms.

One more point, the US Supreme Court has also, in two court cases, stated what is and is not a legal fire arm for use in the militias of the United States, those being any firearm that has a legitimate and issued equivalent in the US Military. The cases involved the ownership of sawed off shotguns with barrels of less than 18 inches.

As one anti gun lobbyist put it "The NRA either has the smartest or the most stupid lawyers on retainer, under SCOTUS rulings, most of the firearm legislation in the country could be overturned."

Now since the US military no longer issues muskets or single shot rifles, anyone want to think again on the idea the 2nd amendment meant only those types of weapons?



The US interpretation of a militia may be something exclusive to the USA. The concept of a militia dates back a few centuries longer than the USA ever existed and is not exclusive to the USA. The history of the Swiss army - as a militia - goes back to the 14th century.

You better get a grip about what it means to you among yourselves. But it will always be your interpretation only, not a universal one. And your Supreme Courts decision is yours only too.

I just felt a need - as someone who might be a bit more familiar with Switzerland - to clarify a few points where the American perception about the Swiss army as well as gun laws in Switzerland is incorrect or simplistic.


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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 6:38:00 PM   
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Miss, I suggest you read what a militia is under the US Law, and contrary to popular belief, it is not now, nor ever has been the national guard, since the national guard can be federalized.

I would suggest you read the militia act of 1903...sometimes called the dick act....there ain't no militia.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 7:00:39 PM   
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I would suggest you read the militia act of 1903...sometimes called the dick act....there ain't no militia.

You're making shit up again. The Dick Act codified the Constitutional distinction between the militia and a select militia in order to allow the Federal government to exercise more control over the organized militias of the States.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/4/2015 7:16:29 PM   
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The US interpretation of a militia may be something exclusive to the USA. The concept of a militia dates back a few centuries longer then the USA ever existed and is not exclusive to the USA - you better get a grip about what it means to you among yourselves.

I just felt a need - as someone who might be a bit more familiar with Switzerland - to clarify a few points where the American perception about the Swiss army and gun laws in Switzerland is incorrect or simplistic.




Actually, I know how far back the idea of a militia goes, Henry V can thank the concept for his victory at Agincourt.

The idea of militia predates the written history of most cultures, and was pretty much ingrained in the nomadic cultures of the American Indigenous people.

However, the concept of just what a militia is escapes the liberals of this country who have no idea that the unorganized militia forces pretty much were the back bone of the revolutionary army.

As for this individual:

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Hi, I'm the local transsexual waiting for a fascist like you to come and murder me, seeing as directly because of people like you the average life expectancy for people like me is about the age of 30. Sincerely, fuck you, not arsed if I get banned, why the fuck is this rampant racebaiting bullshit even allowed. Seriously it's 2015 fucking get with it.


The reason your life expectancy is around 30 (which in all reality, it is much higher) is not because of fascist fucks like me, but because of the cretins running around like idiots who like the idea of blowing people away.

Now, contrary to your belief, I do not get off on the idea of killing someone, I killed enough people when I was in the military.

I do, however, see the facts of civic infrastructure and its inability to adequately handle a major crisis. The riots in Baltimore and Ferguson are damn good evidence of that. Go back to the LA riots after the Rodney King verdict and you will see a shining example of the inability of a large metropolitan police force being able to contain civil unrest.

What happens after a moderate natural disaster? People go batshit crazy and start looting because they dont think anyone is going to help.

What happens prior to a natural disaster like a hurricane, people go batshit crazy trying to get supplies rather than get the fuck out of the way.

Now, other than your emotional bs, you seem to be an intelligent person. So here is a math problem for you.

Say a new flu strain hits the planet with a mortality rate of 30%, and a r naught of 3.

Now take the NYC police department of 34,450 individuals.

If 40% of them contract this new flu and are unable to perform their duties, that leaves just over 20 thousand able to work.

Now if 40% of the population of the city get sick. 3.362 million people, who work in all aspects of the economy from janitors to doctors, that is a big bite of the population.

Now, 15000 trucks go into the city each day just to feed it, so cut that by 40%.

Now, all things being equal, the grocery distributors are going to send the food to the higher income stores first, what ever is left over goes to the rest of the city.

Now what is going to happen when some lady from Brooklyn cant get groceries to feed her kids? Multiply that by a million, and then add into the equation that some wise ass is gonna mention that the higher income neighborhood stores have food.

That is a minor epidemic problem. The US health and welfare agency and the CDC readily admit that a major pandemic would be beyond the scope of health agencies to deal with, and FEMA is not going to be able to ship enough food around the country to keep people fat, dumb and happy.

Even if you mobilized every national guardsmen in the country, you are still facing a no win situation. FEMA recommends every household in the country keep five days worth of non perishable food in case of emergencies. The problem is that if it is that bad, that five days is going to have to last a hell of a lot longer.

So, Alice, where are you going to get food, and if you do get it, how you going to keep it from a mob of your neighbors who want it?

Or if you realize the smart move is to get the fuck out of dodge, where you gonna go? And how are you going to make sure you get there?

I live six miles outside the city limits, I figure that if the worst happens, my family has about five days to stay put, after that, its time to bug out. I have an additional 250 acres of land where there is shelter for my family and a nice long supply of food and water. It is self sustaining with independent power and water.

The only safe way up to the living quarters is across a creek bed that is 30 feet deep, and I have that covered since the bridge is built so all I have to do is hook chains to the damn thing and pull it to the homestead side, and to put it back just means running cables to the other side and using the truck to put it back. Crude but it works.

Now of course, people could go over the fences, but unlike many in the area, I keep forgetting to clear the cactus from my fence line, last I checked there was a solid belt 30 feet wide of prickly pear and choya. Not impassible, but it will be difficult for anything other than deer or a jackrabbit.

Now why in the hell would I want to pay you a visit when I have prepared in advance. Nope, you are going to get visits from your neighbors with golf clubs and ball bats.

FYI, I figure that should this country get hit with a pandemic, about 30% will die of whatever bug it is, the rest will die due to the 'civilized' modern folks of 2015 killing each other for a slice of bread.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 1:03:02 AM   
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Jif, why do you want guns? Is it so you can hunt and feed your family? Is it so you can protect yourself and your family? Is it because you see it as American tradition? or your constitutional right?

What exactly did Thomas Jefferson say in the 2nd amendment ? You don't need to answer that because I know exactly what was written in 1791 "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." How should we interpret that? Surely it means only those citizens who are part of a "well-regulated militia" have the right to bear arms and not just anyone? What it didn't mean is, any unregulated Tom, Dick or Harry has the right to carry a whole arsenal of weapons and shoot some poor fucker who just wandered onto his property because he wanted to tell the owner his dog had just got over the fence.

Not Jeff, obviously, but I'd like to throw my hat in the ring.

That first paragraph? It's kind of a combination of all of those things. Where I'm from in PA, a significant amount of folks supplement the food budget. Venison was a staple and most folks ate it at least once or twice a week in some form. Even a small deer will yield ~ 50 lbs of meat. A larger buck might be twice that much. Bag a doe, too, and your family eats for the winter.

That's the human side. I'm going to say something for the wildlife side as well.

Without hunting the deer, they overpopulate. To be quite frank, they starve. The numbers outpace the vegetation and they suffer. When natural predators (us) don't reduce those numbers, there's just not enough food to go around. I'd rather eat bambi than watch him starve to death.

Is it tradition? Yes. Learning to live off of the land is something people do here. It's a part of our heritage. Those amber waves of grain? They showed up way later. Until then, we hunted and fished.

Protection? Bears, mountain lions, wild boars and such WILL KILL YOU. They aren't these cute, cuddly things that Disney draws up. They were given sharp teeth and claws for a reason and you're it.




Thank you LadyPact :)
Everything you have written gives a person good reason to own a rifle or shotgun. In fact its not unusual in rural UK for people to own a shotgun or rifle. Farmers use them for keeping vermin down and huntsmen use them for game hunting. Unlike the rural parts of America, we aren't going to starve, in fact it tends to be the upper middle classes who hunt game because its considered more of an elitist hobby over here; even so, owning a gun to hunt game or keep vermin down should be perfectly acceptable, providing people who own such weapons have been scrutinized and continue to be scrutinized by the right authorities.

We don't have animal predators over here that could hunt out a human but if we did, we would have good reason to own the appropriate weapon that could protect us. If Jifs reason for owning a gun is to feed and protect his family from predatory lions, those reasons are, in my opinion, good enough and people like him should be an exception.

Where these gun laws seem to fail, at least for me is, the majority of those owning these pretty little revolvers/pistols, don't live in the outback and never purchased them with the intention of bringing down food to feed their hungry family. Most people who own lethal weapons buy them to protect themselves from other humans.

The difference between the UK and America is, if someone broke into our home, the very last thing we would think about is, do they have a gun because the likelihood of them having such a weapon is very remote. In America, the only reason you need weapons to protect yourself from humans is because there is a very high chance of an intruder having a gun themselves and the irony is, these intruders, though committing a crime, have a right to carry arms.


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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 1:05:33 AM   
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I just felt a need - as someone who might be a bit more familiar with Switzerland - to clarify a few points where the American perception about the Swiss army as well as gun laws in Switzerland is incorrect or simplistic.



I really learnt something here blnymph, so thank you :)


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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 1:35:49 AM   
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when they themselves turn and say that anyone that wants to own a gun is a potential mass murderer?


Brilliant to see you posting again.

Out of curiosity, how many liberals have you heard saying that? I hang about a lot with liberals (and cons for that matter) and I'm pretty sure I've never heard any of them say that.


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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 1:50:15 AM   
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when they themselves turn and say that anyone that wants to own a gun is a potential mass murderer?


Brilliant to see you posting again.

Out of curiosity, how many liberals have you heard saying that? I hang about a lot with liberals (and cons for that matter) and I'm pretty sure I've never heard any of them say that.




Listen to some of the crap spewed on MSNBC, as bad as FOX in many respects, then you have the various politicians who scream "ban guns" whenever something like this happens.

The implication is simple, law abiding citizens with legally owned guns cannot be trusted.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 1:55:38 AM   
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Again, I would love it if you could point to someone saying "Law abiding citizens with legally owned guns cannot be trusted".

I'm pretty sure that's not the point that people who promote greater gun control are making. I think they're most concerned about the people that would break the law.

That said, I think it's fair to say that there are some Law abiding citizens with legally owned guns who are either so stupid, or poorly trained, that they cannot be trusted with a firearm.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 2:08:02 AM   
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Conflating "anyone that wants to own a gun is a potential mass murderer?" with the truth is bogus.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 4:17:44 AM   
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Thank you LadyPact :)
Everything you have written gives a person good reason to own a rifle or shotgun. In fact its not unusual in rural UK for people to own a shotgun or rifle. Farmers use them for keeping vermin down and huntsmen use them for game hunting. Unlike the rural parts of America, we aren't going to starve, in fact it tends to be the upper middle classes who hunt game because its considered more of an elitist hobby over here; even so, owning a gun to hunt game or keep vermin down should be perfectly acceptable, providing people who own such weapons have been scrutinized and continue to be scrutinized by the right authorities.

We don't have animal predators over here that could hunt out a human but if we did, we would have good reason to own the appropriate weapon that could protect us. If Jifs reason for owning a gun is to feed and protect his family from predatory lions, those reasons are, in my opinion, good enough and people like him should be an exception.

Where these gun laws seem to fail, at least for me is, the majority of those owning these pretty little revolvers/pistols, don't live in the outback and never purchased them with the intention of bringing down food to feed their hungry family. Most people who own lethal weapons buy them to protect themselves from other humans.

The difference between the UK and America is, if someone broke into our home, the very last thing we would think about is, do they have a gun because the likelihood of them having such a weapon is very remote. In America, the only reason you need weapons to protect yourself from humans is because there is a very high chance of an intruder having a gun themselves and the irony is, these intruders, though committing a crime, have a right to carry arms.


You are quite welcome, Maria. I'm glad it was received well.

Hunting here is an across all classes thing. It's a sport to some and a supplement to the food budget to others. A lot of people in Alaska, for example, wouldn't have enough food if they didn't hunt and fish. I think a lot of people would be amazed just how many people live below the poverty line in our forty-ninth state and that's a pretty harsh place to be poor.

Where Jeff lives, they have wild boars, and while I'm not saying that's the only reason that he owns firearms, I know he has posted before about hunting them. Jeff is the person who helped to educate me about them because wild boars aren't an issue in places that I've lived. (Big country. Our wildlife varies from region to region.)

We're probably going to disagree on the personal protection issue. I hate to bring gender into this, but if somebody is female and has reason to be afraid of someone, I don't blame them one bit for wanting to own a gun. My stalker happens to be a foot taller than me, heavier than me, and is combat trained. That's a situation where an equalizer is in my best interest.



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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 5:24:55 AM   
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Again, I would love it if you could point to someone saying "Law abiding citizens with legally owned guns cannot be trusted".

I'm pretty sure that's not the point that people who promote greater gun control are making. I think they're most concerned about the people that would break the law.

That said, I think it's fair to say that there are some Law abiding citizens with legally owned guns who are either so stupid, or poorly trained, that they cannot be trusted with a firearm.



I would agree, except the liberal trend is to get rid of all guns, legally owned and otherwise.

As for sensible, reasonable and, above all, ernforcible gun laws, we are talking abou the same government that passed a law requiring buses to stop at railroad crossings that spanned 1000 pages.

In other words, a law could be boiled down to "school buses and buses used for transportation of paying passengers must stop at all uncontrolled railroad crossings"

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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 5:43:46 AM   
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I would agree, except the liberal trend is to get rid of all guns, legally owned and otherwise.

Except that it isn't. That's just your paranoia making it up.

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RE: Simple Question - 10/5/2015 8:05:56 AM   
jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I would agree, except the liberal trend is to get rid of all guns, legally owned and otherwise.

Except that it isn't. That's just your paranoia making it up.


Really, Obama is pointing to Australia as an example, and lets face it, it is illegal in Australia to own high powered rifles and shotguns, hand guns etc.

Tell you what, Music, you come to my neck of the woods, I will hand you a 22 and then let you go deal with some feral hogs. I have seen these animals shrug off 223 and 308 rounds. And since no government agency wants to pay for the damage these animals cause, what do you suppose an honest rancher do about it?

There are some hogs around here I would not face without an elephant gun, and gee a charging animal with 8 inch or longer tusks really is not something I want to face with a pea shooter.

United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939). In that case, Jack Miller and one other person were indicted for transporting an unregistered sawed-off shotgun across state lines in violation of the National Firearms Act of 1934. Miller argued, among other things, that the section of the National Firearms Act regulating the interstate transport of certain firearms violated the Second Amendment. The U.S. District Court for the Western District of Arkansas agreed with Miller. The case was appealed directly to the Supreme Court, which reversed the district court. The Supreme Court read the Second Amendment in conjunction with the Militia Clause in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, and concluded that n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a [sawed-off] shotgun . . . has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.” 307 U.S. at 178. The Court concluded that the district court erred in holding the National Firearms Act provisions unconstitutional.

The supreme court ruled that firearms with a direct correlation to weapons issued to the US military forces are allowed under the second amendment, which eliminates the idea that the amendment only dealt with muskets.

And having explained the legal definition of a militia earlier, the only way to get any thing close to the controls Australia has would be to repeal and replace the second amendment.

And then there are the various convoluted definition of what is and is not an assault rifle, which by international law is a weapon that is selective fire, but in the US it is any weapon with a pistol grip or bayonet lug or both, along with a few hundred specific weapons listed.

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