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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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You're simply repeating, eventually, my point -- that since 2009, US manufacturing has been on the upswing.

Yes, except that the average of over $77,000/yr. (in your link) is misleading at best and any slight growth in jobs is up from what is a historical low. I think it was under Bush I that for the first time in economic history in America, more people worked for govt. than do in manufacturing and that has gotten worse since.

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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Anyone slightly familiar with data comparing global economies knows Americans work harder and more efficiently than workers in most other countries.

they do? then why are your US corps still outsourcing more and more jobs??? and they arent just the lower wage manufacturing jobs anymore either.. they are climbing up the food chain now..

"Some US companies are using temporary visas to train foreign workers in the US and then ship them back overseas, according to a new investigation by The New York Times.

According to The Times, the companies — which include Toys R Us and New York Life Insurance — bring foreign workers into the US to train them on jobs held by those at home offices in the US.

Then, once the worker has learned how to do the American employee's job, the American employee is laid off and the foreign worker returns to his or her home country and starts working from there.

The investigation cites the story of a former Toys R Us employee who says that for four weeks this spring a young woman on a temporary visa from India sat with her as she performed her accounting job in the Toys R Us headquarters in Wayne, New Jersey.

"The woman ... studied and recorded the accountant's every keystroke, taking screen shots of her computer and detailed notes on how she issued payments for toys sold in the company's megastores," wrote Julia Preston, The New York Times' national immigration correspondent.

The Indian woman worked for the outsourcing company Tata Consultancy Services (TCS), which was hired by Toys R Us. The Times reports that the TCS employees shadowed the Toys R Us employees and created intricate manuals for how to perform the jobs of 67 different workers. They then returned to India and trained other TCS employees how to do those jobs. The Toys R Us employees were subsequently laid off."

http://www.businessinsider.com/us-companies-shipping-jobs-abroad-using-temporary-visas-2015-9

Yes, they do and the reason jobs are still being shipped overseas is because while American workers can do much more work per hour, they cannot do several times more work while the new employees (freshly trained by their American counterparts as you describe) earn a small fraction in pay.

I.e.,...Americans at $12/hr. cannot outperform their $4/hr. competition in India. British (western) labor on a typical $49 London Fog spring jacket is $12. Chinese...$3. The Brits (westerners) would have to be 4 times faster...get it ?

The American and western corp. in general, wants their slaves back as [it] has only a fiduciary responsibility to their investors and thus remains the last authoritarian inst. in western democracies. The corp. is not required therefore any patriotic or moral responsibility to society at large and this despite the fact that the corp. enjoys the laws and protections created and now mostly paid for by that same civil society.

Globalization is a search for profits...nothing more. The so-called free trade [sic] agreement(s) sought via fast track (to eliminate cong. debate) are in fact not free trade agreements at all and seek only to codify advantages held by western corporations, while ensuring corp. freedom to employ oppressed labor, i.e. no labor rights at all, in that search for profits.

yabbut.. in the end it doesnt matter much/at all how good your work ethic is.. you can be outsourced.. even local service jobs we think cant be outsourced.. ffs, google is developing driverless vehicles, how long before that becomes the norm and we catch a driverless taxi cab? or buses that drive themselves? etc.. and Amazon is concocting a drone delivery system.. how long before courier delivery use drones? pizza delivery by drone? etc..

Just sayin'

about free trade deals.. the Pacific Trade Partnership thingie has now been signed by 12 countries.. the local paper here in an article this am says that is great for Houston (a fifth of all international trade thru Houston is with the countries involved) and that last year $31.5 billion in goods were exported to those countries and only $22.2 billion in goods imported from those countries.. According to the article it would end more than 18,000 tariffs that those countries have placed on US exports.. so with the tariffs ending, considerably more US shite can be exported.. (I personally feel free trade deals benefit the US more than any other country..)

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I hope you are right but there is resistance from countries that are up against monopoly protection for American goods (Australia/pharm. for one) and similar problems with some of the prospective signatories.