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cloudboy -> GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 8:58:27 AM)



https://www.yahoo.com/politics/gop-would-have-us-in-seven-wars-right-now-090043699.html




kdsub -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 1:41:53 PM)

Just me but I believe there is true danger here...The loudest voices in the house are always beating the war drums...I think they believe they are representing the wants of their constituents but they are not... They are falling for the rhetoric of the Karl Roves and fanatics of this world not realizing it is just for political purposes not meant to be enacted.

If they should win the Presidency I think the war mongering will take on a life of its own even though it would be against the wishes of the American public.

Butch



mnottertail -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 1:45:32 PM)

Thats why you have a senate that will not take that dogshit up.



bounty44 -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 1:52:14 PM)

sorry...,

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kdsub -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 2:03:05 PM)

Not so sure of that Ron... and if there is a Republican President I think it is almost assured.

Butch



KenDckey -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 3:01:29 PM)

I think it is a political scare tactic and the article does claim that both sides of the asile are speaking of overt/covert actions (paraphrasied by me)



joether -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 7:02:57 PM)

Or just a law that anyone that votes in favor of war has their immediate offspring all drafted into the military and within three months (whether ready or not), placed on the front lines. Why should only the poor fight the rich people's war?



thompsonx -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 7:19:22 PM)

ORIGINAL: joether

Or just a law that anyone that votes in favor of war has their immediate offspring all drafted into the military and within three months (whether ready or not), placed on the front lines. Why should only the poor fight the rich people's war?


How bout we make it simple.  If you want to be in the military you have to be over 40 and make more than a quarter of a million dollars a year. No exceptions. 



joether -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/6/2015 8:06:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: joether

Or just a law that anyone that votes in favor of war has their immediate offspring all drafted into the military and within three months (whether ready or not), placed on the front lines. Why should only the poor fight the rich people's war?


How bout we make it simple.  If you want to be in the military you have to be over 40 and make more than a quarter of a million dollars a year. No exceptions. 


The military is not the problem. Its individuals whose ego is the size of Texas and their responsibility with said ego is the size of a flea! They are more than happy to send someone else's kids to a war zone as long as their precious little daringly is allowed to grow up to be as much an asshole to the next generation of folks in the military.

I would amend the idea to include anyone that voted for the candidate. That's right, our military can take the next war in Iran off, as we force 30 million conservatives to 'suit up' and 'battle on'. They think they are crack shots in Call of Duty; real life must be the same thing, right?

But the reason conservatives are so in favor of war has nothing to do with the action warzone. Its about taking America's eyes off America and placing it somewhere else. We experience that with Iraq. The economy went to shit because Republicans had successfully gotten people to worrying about Iraq and Afghanistan. Why should we allow them that chance a second time in under a generation?



xBullx -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/7/2015 5:36:03 AM)

<p> The problem with war in America is politics. </p>
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<p> War is not now, nor has it ever been, romantic, fair or pretty. One may choose to fight and behave honorably, yet honor is seldom defined all that concurrently. We, the "the christian" part of the world have been at war with our half/step brothers of Abraham since he kicked one of the mothers out of the house way back when. Right/wrong, good/evil is all very irrelevant. Might is right and to the victor go the spoils; treasure, tittle and the right to define the history. As much as anyone would like to make this warm and fuzzy, deny that it's the method of the madness or just let someone else worry about the problem. It is what it is, a never ending problem. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Now you can be the big kid on the block and define your own existance or submit and be commanded. It's that simple; no more complicated than the relationships we see on this site. Being king of the hill, establishing the pecking order or whatever you want to call it is the natural way of life. ALL LIFE. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Warriors engage in war, it's what they do. They just ask you to stay the fuck out of their way and allow them the ability to do their job. So don't pretend to care about their safety, your meddling interferes with their objectives. America spends entirely to much time fighting to claim the moral high ground all the while the hill of lies the politician stands on is crumbling beneath our feet. </p>



mnottertail -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/7/2015 7:54:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Not so sure of that Ron... and if there is a Republican President I think it is almost assured.

Butch



that's out of dreamland though, first of all, there are no republicans on our horizon, nor will any of the clowns that have Rs associated with them be elected president.



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/7/2015 8:29:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

<p> The problem with war in America is politics. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> War is not now, nor has it ever been, romantic, fair or pretty. One may choose to fight and behave honorably, yet honor is seldom defined all that concurrently. We, the "the christian" part of the world have been at war with our half/step brothers of Abraham since he kicked one of the mothers out of the house way back when. Right/wrong, good/evil is all very irrelevant. Might is right and to the victor go the spoils; treasure, tittle and the right to define the history. As much as anyone would like to make this warm and fuzzy, deny that it's the method of the madness or just let someone else worry about the problem. It is what it is, a never ending problem. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Now you can be the big kid on the block and define your own existance or submit and be commanded. It's that simple; no more complicated than the relationships we see on this site. Being king of the hill, establishing the pecking order or whatever you want to call it is the natural way of life. ALL LIFE. </p>
<p> </p>
<p> Warriors engage in war, it's what they do. They just ask you to stay the fuck out of their way and allow them the ability to do their job. So don't pretend to care about their safety, your meddling interferes with their objectives. America spends entirely to much time fighting to claim the moral high ground all the while the hill of lies the politician stands on is crumbling beneath our feet. </p>

It's true that the trouble with war is politics. It's also important to live honorably. And it's true warriors engage in war.

It's not true that Christianity has been at war with Islam since way back when--at times, yes, continually, no. We have largely lived in peace with each other. This view also raises the question whether religion trumps nationality--are American Muslims at war with Christians or other Muslim countries? What about us Taoists and Buddhists? And what about our Muslim allies around the world?

Nor is it true that you're either the big kid or commanded -- I can think of multiple instances where neither are true. It's not that simple. Relationships, in the real world, are more complex than that.

And that warriors engage in war is irrelevant. Bakers engage in baking--that's what they do. But we don't go seeking wheat fields so they can bake--they're on their own there. When we need bread--we call on them. When we need (or believe we need) war, we'll call on warriors. Until then, they can do what everyone else does when not needed at the moment -- prepare and train, ready to serve when appropriate.



MrRodgers -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/7/2015 5:23:56 PM)

Most all true, except that war is a racket and a very, very profitable one. I can see a repub pres. now having us in at least two wars with another on the horizon. Syria, Ukraine and Iran soon as they do go hot and that may even be concocted out of propaganda...just to start a 3rd. (false flag) (Syria/Iran pipeline, not wanted by western powers or their ME counterparts)

Libya was about no gold for oil exchange (as Qaddafi had proposed) (and also CIA false flag) and Hillary just happened to be in office. That important Americans were killed has been icing on the partisan cake, one committee in the investigation of which, still in session and now lasting longer than one on Watergate. There have been 'unimportant' (foreign service) Americans killed regularly (see Bush II) for which there were no hearings.

Since 9/11 America has essentially become a war state in the 'war' on terror and will remain so for the long term. So America will need enemies that will be supplied at no end and, good regular lenders and at least the perception of a strong labor force to keep the dollar strong until the Amero is forced upon us.

Obama is doing at least minimally what he is told to do and essentially what he needs to do...to stay alive.




Musicmystery -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/7/2015 6:19:38 PM)

You see too many movies.



xBullx -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/7/2015 7:28:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


It's true that the trouble with war is politics. It's also important to live honorably. And it's true warriors engage in war.

It's not true that Christianity has been at war with Islam since way back when--at times, yes, continually, no. We have largely lived in peace with each other. This view also raises the question whether religion trumps nationality--are American Muslims at war with Christians or other Muslim countries? What about us Taoists and Buddhists? And what about our Muslim allies around the world?

Nor is it true that you're either the big kid or commanded -- I can think of multiple instances where neither are true. It's not that simple. Relationships, in the real world, are more complex than that.

And that warriors engage in war is irrelevant. Bakers engage in baking--that's what they do. But we don't go seeking wheat fields so they can bake--they're on their own there. When we need bread--we call on them. When we need (or believe we need) war, we'll call on warriors. Until then, they can do what everyone else does when not needed at the moment -- prepare and train, ready to serve when appropriate.


Well, perhaps the Muslim/Judeo-Christian issue hasn't always been an ongoing conflict, but it is my not so worthy opinion that it is one of those simmering pots just below the surface for a great many folks. I mean certain sects of Islam view the West as being made up of simply Judeo-Christian infidels that must be exterminated.

I'm not sure these cultures have ever lived in peace as you say. There may be various degrees of "truce", but peace, I have trouble seeing that.

I'm not sure if religion trumps nationality. If I thought I could get an honest answer I'd love to pose that question to practicing American Muslims, in particular, of Arabian decent.

I'm not sure about your question pertain to the "ist" faiths further to the east. I don't really believe the GOP would want a conflict with any Asian nation, apart from perhaps NK. They can be a pain in the posterior.

Also I'm not sure what you mean by warriors being irrelevant. My point was, we don't have to use them "needing to come home" as an excuse to abandon their previous efforts. They will always be there for just cause. But yes, I agree, I don't feel we need to start wars simply to occupy the time of our warriors.

As for the Baker; The little woman has nearly cut all my carbs. Fire the baker!

In the end, life is pretty simple. The problem lies within the human need to complicate things.



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/8/2015 4:26:14 AM)

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, there have been many wars, but also long stretches of peace (more so when Islam reigned, ironically), and of course, we have long Muslim allies around the globe today -- Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, etc., and even more friendly/at-peace ones -- Malaysia, Morrocco, Indonesia, etc.



MrRodgers -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/8/2015 7:14:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You see too many movies.

Well he didn't make any movies but I agree with Kant...to paraphrase, ".....meaning, history will always written in blood.

Oh and Marine Gen. Smedley Butler wrote...War is a Racket.

"War is a racket. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. War is just a racket... I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights."

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP would have U.S. in ‘seven wars right now’ (10/8/2015 1:37:44 PM)

Butler knows his stuff.

You see too many movies.



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