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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/8/2015 5:50:03 PM   
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Since most racist are poor and powerless (racism being how they explain their failures) doesn't this explination give them a pass? Bingo the racism problem is solved, nobody can be racist except the rich and powerful, like Sharpton and Jackson.



... and Holder and Obama and ...

The argument of "people who don't have power can't be racist" used to hold about 10ml of water, back in the 60s or so but once racism was largely eradicated from the voting in this country (around the time Jackson called NY "Hymie Town" while running for President), the argument became ludicrous.

Black people can be as racist as they claim white people to be, but they can do so with impunity because the MSM and the army of lock-stepping PPLs refuse to hold their feet to the fire.

Racism is alive and well as an institution in the United States of America, as long as one hates the correct race (white people).

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No...no...no, Michael. We've discussed this before.

Can women be sexist? No, they have no power.
Can black people or Brown people or yellow people or red people be racist? No...they have no power or money.

Who has the power? White men. Who has the money? White men. Therefore, who are the only ones who can be racist or sexist? That's right...White men.

Tsk...Tsk...tsk.



Creative Dominant:

Therefore, who are the only ones who can be racist or sexist? That's right...White men.

crazyml:

Here's the thing, very very few liberals actually make the claims you're implying they do. You're creating an imaginary, and absurd, opposing argument.

Me again: Really? Very few liberals believe that? You're the one with the imaginary argument.
Breaking: Reverse racism doesn’t exist. Here’s why.

1) Racism = privilege + power

In order to be racist, you need to possess two traits. The first is privilege: A structural, institutional, and social advantage. White people occupy positions of racial privilege, even when they are disadvantaged in other ways. White women, for example, consistently make more than black women, because they benefit from racial attitudes. Furthermore, you also have to have power: the ability, backed up by society, to be a strong social influencer, with greater leeway when it comes to what you do, where, and how.

For instance, white people benefit from privilege and power when they aren’t arrested for drug crimes at disproportionate rates, while black people experience racism when they’re arrested, and sentenced, for the same crimes. This reflects a racialized power imbalance in the justice system. It’s about the privilege and power of white offenders (less likely to be racially profiled, more likely to have strong legal representation, more likely to be able to talk police officers out of an arrest) and the lack of social status for black offenders.

People of color talking about white people don’t occupy positions of privilege or power. Therefore, they cannot be racist. Racism is structural, not personal.

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/reverse-racism-doesnt-exist/

Why “reverse racism,” “reverse sexism” and “thin-shaming” are not f*cking real

Throughout American history, there have been national laws and systems, like slavery and Jim Crow, put in place specifically to systematically oppress black people.

These kinds of oppression still exist today in the form of systemic racism, which includes things like blacks having a significantly higher likelihood than whites of going to prison, the fact that unemployment rates for blacks is consistently twice as high as whites and that if you apply to a job with a “white” sounding name, you’re over 50 percent more likely to get a callback than if you applied with a “black” sounding name.

And there’s more. A hell of a lot more.

All of this systemic racism has continually pushed black people to a status that is “less than,” which is something that has never happened to white people.

There has never, ever, ever been a national set of laws or system put in place to systematically oppress white people or push them to a status that is “less than.”

Not once. Ever.

So “reverse racism” can truly never exist.

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/reverse-discrimination-not-real/1077620/

Reverse racism isn't real. No, really.
The "reverse racism" card is often pulled by white people when people of color call out racism and discrimination, or create spaces for themselves (think BET) that white people aren't a part of. The impulse behind the reverse racism argument seems to be a desire to prove that people of color don't have it that bad, they're not the only ones that are put at a disadvantage or targeted because of their race. It's like the Racism Olympics. And it's patently untrue.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/9/2015 3:22:27 AM   
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It's not that they have no power, it's that the balance of power is very obviously biased in favor of white men.


The very wrong thing with this statement is that only the elite white men have this power while 99.9 percent of the white male population are just as powerless as the next woman or black person.

It's just as silly for me to say that all black people have power, by and large, because Obama is the president. Or if Hilary get's in, all women have power, by and large, because she is president.

Apex fallacy.

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Actually I wouldn't, but it is glaringly self-contradictory. Mustafa and her ilk are promoting exactly what they're arguing against, namely a "structure of privilege" that empowers certain groups to insult and demean other categories of people with self-righteous impunity.


Exactly. Mustafa and her shower claim to be against privilege while demanding privileges for their benefit.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/9/2015 3:35:42 AM   
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It's not that they have no power, it's that the balance of power is very obviously biased in favor of white men.


Going back to this again, why is it that only white dominated societies are expected to give up their race dominance in power while other societies with other races are not? Why is it only racist when whites refuse to give up power to a country but it's all the sudden not racism when say in asian, african, middle eastern societies, they aren't willing to let a white person in as president?

Sorry, that's a bit off topic. But that fact also annoys me. I am all in for immigration. But what I said above is my point.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 11:40:34 AM   
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I am sure that when I said "very very few" I meant. .. very very few.

Yes... there are some. And.. they make passionate and thoughtful arguments, that, while being wrong, would teach you something if you were only capable of opening your mind.

It is either stupid or dishonest of you to attempt to characterize liberals as a whole in the way that you do.

Just as it would be stupid of me to characterize all conservatives as homophobic twat waffles.

Do you understand the subtle point I am making here?

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 4:27:11 PM   
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Why is it only racist when whites refuse to give up power to a country but it's all the sudden not racism when say in asian, african, middle eastern societies, they aren't willing to let a white person in as president?


Which societies and which elections were you thinking of in that context, Nick?

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 6:33:46 PM   
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I am sure that when I said "very very few" I meant. .. very very few.

Yes... there are some. And.. they make passionate and thoughtful arguments, that, while being wrong, would teach you something if you were only capable of opening your mind.

It is either stupid or dishonest of you to attempt to characterize liberals as a whole in the way that you do.

Just as it would be stupid of me to characterize all conservatives as homophobic twat waffles.

Do you understand the subtle point I am making here?
Do you understand that the 3 examples I gave came from only the first 5 entries I googled for reverse racism? There were plenty more, all written by liberals.

I never said all liberals believe that it can no exist. If you can show me where I did, please do so. I leave the characterization of 'all' to The All-Wise Joether...as in conservatives are racist, homophobic teat waffles, sexist, uneducated, etc., etc.

However, it is my belief that there are many, many more liberals who do believe that 'reverse racism' or 'reverse sexism' cannot exist than there are liberals who believe it can. It is either naivety or stupidity on your part to believe that very few do not recognize 'reverse racism or sexism' as viable entities. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of the liberals/progressives on this forum do not believe that either can exist.


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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 6:36:20 PM   
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However, it is my belief that there are many, many more liberals who do believe that 'reverse racism' or 'reverse sexism' cannot exist than there are liberals who believe it can.

What's that belief based on?

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 6:53:24 PM   
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must be all the posts in the thread that agree with the chick.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 7:44:34 PM   
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However, it is my belief that there are many, many more liberals who do believe that 'reverse racism' or 'reverse sexism' cannot exist than there are liberals who believe it can.

What's that belief based on?
Like most people's beliefs...observation, reading, etc. For example, other than your acknowledgement that 'reverse racism' might exist, can you point to that concession by any other libs on this thread or any other thread talking about race? A concession that doesn't come with a 'but' attached that explains why it's okay or understandable.

The sources I quoted earlier were all by liberal writers. Find me a liberal source who has written an article that states 'reverse racism' or 'reverse sexism' exists. Even in an article in which almost 50% of millenials are staying that THEY believe in 'reverse racism'...Even non-white millenials...the author then goes on to explain how all these beliefs are wrong and arise only out of misguided frustration.

https://www.thenation.com/article/race-millennials-and-reverse-discrimination/

Now, I've explained how I came to my belief. Have you got anything at all to buttress crazyml's argument or...apparently...your own?

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 8:01:55 PM   
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Now, I've explained how I came to my belief.

Which I appreciate. We're not often on the same political wavelength, but you've always seemed sharp. So I was genuinely curious, particularly since you'd slammed joether for claiming to know what conservatives think.

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Have you got anything at all to buttress crazyml's argument or...apparently...your own?

My sole post in this thread was a five-word question, so I'm not sure what "argument" you see me as making. In the yoga thread, I said flat out I believe nonwhites can be racists.


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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 8:21:40 PM   
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Like most people's beliefs...observation, reading, etc. For example, other than your acknowledgement that 'reverse racism' might exist, can you point to that concession by any other libs on this thread or any other thread talking about race? A concession that doesn't come with a 'but' attached that explains why it's okay or understandable.

Or maybe a lot of people who believe that choose not to participate in threads like this, because of how ugly they get,

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 8:29:46 PM   
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Was it or was it not racist to call for the person to call for the killing of all white men. And if not please explain why this isn't racism.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 9:06:02 PM   
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Like most people's beliefs...observation, reading, etc. For example, other than your acknowledgement that 'reverse racism' might exist, can you point to that concession by any other libs on this thread or any other thread talking about race? A concession that doesn't come with a 'but' attached that explains why it's okay or understandable.

Or maybe a lot of people who believe that choose not to participate in threads like this, because of how ugly they get,
Really? On most threads concerning racism or reverse racism, you'll find most of the regular posters to this side of collarspace...conservative and liberal. And what do you suppose the reason for the ugliness is? Could it be posters who exclaim that only whites can be racist or that only men can be sexist?

So far, we've seen crazyml state that very few liberals hold the belief that only whites can be racist and that only men can be sexist, yet offer no proof of that while I can give cite after cite...4 so far...of liberal writers proclaiming there can be NO SUCH THING as 'reverse racism', one of which who...when confronted with a population group of young people, including non-white people, who swear it does exist...oooh-poohed their beliefs. And we've seen dcnovice concede that reverse racism can exist.

How many other libs are lining up to agree it can exist?


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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/11/2015 10:16:57 PM   
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White Men have been known to kill people who say to kill White Men. That is why there are still White Men. I ain't losing any sleep over it. One of us will get to this problem if it proves real.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/12/2015 10:02:22 AM   
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White Men have been known to kill people who say to kill White Men. That is why there are still White Men. I ain't losing any sleep over it. One of us will get to this problem if it proves real.

T^T

And when people say to kill non-whites, non-whites stand up and cheer, that's why there are no non-whites still alive. (sarcasm font off)

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/12/2015 11:19:57 AM   
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Like most people's beliefs...observation, reading, etc. For example, other than your acknowledgement that 'reverse racism' might exist, can you point to that concession by any other libs on this thread or any other thread talking about race? A concession that doesn't come with a 'but' attached that explains why it's okay or understandable.

Or maybe a lot of people who believe that choose not to participate in threads like this, because of how ugly they get,
Really? On most threads concerning racism or reverse racism, you'll find most of the regular posters to this side of collarspace...conservative and liberal. And what do you suppose the reason for the ugliness is? Could it be posters who exclaim that only whites can be racist or that only men can be sexist?

So far, we've seen crazyml state that very few liberals hold the belief that only whites can be racist and that only men can be sexist, yet offer no proof of that while I can give cite after cite...4 so far...of liberal writers proclaiming there can be NO SUCH THING as 'reverse racism', one of which who...when confronted with a population group of young people, including non-white people, who swear it does exist...oooh-poohed their beliefs. And we've seen dcnovice concede that reverse racism can exist.

How many other libs are lining up to agree it can exist?


Just to get it out of the way-yes, I believe reverse racism exists. It is out there and I think that those who don't see it choose not to.

But I disagree that most liberals reject it. I am in the deep South, where we are known for yanno, being racist. But I work in a veritable bastion of liberalism. One that is connected to other bastions of liberalism all over the country.

And I cannot think of even one time that anyone has tolerated the idea that reverse racism does not exist.

Figuring out how to do our job within an environment free from discrimination of any kind is a challenge that we face daily. And we are constantly under the scrutiny of those involved in politics at all levels (which in AL means right-wing), of the state administration in Montgomery, and of the public at large.

We actively engage in efforts to fight discrimination of all kinds within our environment. And that includes reverse racism. It isn't always easy. There have been several times we have had to openly address it, and creates very uncomfortable situations. But we do it.

There have been lots of times in my work over the years that I have had to try not to throw up, because of the rabid liberal rhetoric that comes out of the mouths of some people that I work with. It is uncomfortable for me to admit that their basic views are in alignment with mine, I just can't stand how they express it.

The loudest people are the ones that are heard over a crowd. Those are usually the ones that are more extremists in their views. But that doesn't mean they are speaking for everyone.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/12/2015 11:35:23 AM   
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Like most people's beliefs...observation, reading, etc. For example, other than your acknowledgement that 'reverse racism' might exist, can you point to that concession by any other libs on this thread or any other thread talking about race? A concession that doesn't come with a 'but' attached that explains why it's okay or understandable.

Or maybe a lot of people who believe that choose not to participate in threads like this, because of how ugly they get,
Really? On most threads concerning racism or reverse racism, you'll find most of the regular posters to this side of collarspace...conservative and liberal. And what do you suppose the reason for the ugliness is? Could it be posters who exclaim that only whites can be racist or that only men can be sexist?

So far, we've seen crazyml state that very few liberals hold the belief that only whites can be racist and that only men can be sexist, yet offer no proof of that while I can give cite after cite...4 so far...of liberal writers proclaiming there can be NO SUCH THING as 'reverse racism', one of which who...when confronted with a population group of young people, including non-white people, who swear it does exist...oooh-poohed their beliefs. And we've seen dcnovice concede that reverse racism can exist.

How many other libs are lining up to agree it can exist?


Just to get it out of the way-yes, I believe reverse racism exists. It is out there and I think that those who don't see it choose not to.

But I disagree that most liberals reject it. I am in the deep South, where we are known for yanno, being racist. But I work in a veritable bastion of liberalism. One that is connected to other bastions of liberalism all over the country.

And I cannot think of even one time that anyone has tolerated the idea that reverse racism does not exist.

Figuring out how to do our job within an environment free from discrimination of any kind is a challenge that we face daily. And we are constantly under the scrutiny of those involved in politics at all levels (which in AL means right-wing), of the state administration in Montgomery, and of the public at large.

We actively engage in efforts to fight discrimination of all kinds within our environment. And that includes reverse racism. It isn't always easy. There have been several times we have had to openly address it, and creates very uncomfortable situations. But we do it.

There have been lots of times in my work over the years that I have had to try not to throw up, because of the rabid liberal rhetoric that comes out of the mouths of some people that I work with. It is uncomfortable for me to admit that their basic views are in alignment with mine, I just can't stand how they express it.

The loudest people are the ones that are heard over a crowd. Those are usually the ones that are more extremists in their views. But that doesn't mean they are speaking for everyone.

Sorry, but the states hirening stadards involve reverse racism.
They hire by teirs but until all blacks in a teir are hired whites might as well forget it. Any time a white person is hired over a black the person hiring has to justify this in writting. Rather than attract attention to themselves the take the safe route and hire the black person. I even went to one interview where the fist thing the supervisor told me was that he had to interview me since I was on the list but he couldn't hire me unless al of the blacks in the top ten turned the job down. After three years they ran out of blacks to hire and I got a job. BTW I tested number two on the list and was passed over repeatedly.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/12/2015 11:37:31 AM   
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Like most people's beliefs...observation, reading, etc. For example, other than your acknowledgement that 'reverse racism' might exist, can you point to that concession by any other libs on this thread or any other thread talking about race? A concession that doesn't come with a 'but' attached that explains why it's okay or understandable.

Or maybe a lot of people who believe that choose not to participate in threads like this, because of how ugly they get,
Really? On most threads concerning racism or reverse racism, you'll find most of the regular posters to this side of collarspace...conservative and liberal. And what do you suppose the reason for the ugliness is? Could it be posters who exclaim that only whites can be racist or that only men can be sexist?

So far, we've seen crazyml state that very few liberals hold the belief that only whites can be racist and that only men can be sexist, yet offer no proof of that while I can give cite after cite...4 so far...of liberal writers proclaiming there can be NO SUCH THING as 'reverse racism', one of which who...when confronted with a population group of young people, including non-white people, who swear it does exist...oooh-poohed their beliefs. And we've seen dcnovice concede that reverse racism can exist.

How many other libs are lining up to agree it can exist?


Just to get it out of the way-yes, I believe reverse racism exists. It is out there and I think that those who don't see it choose not to.

But I disagree that most liberals reject it. I am in the deep South, where we are known for yanno, being racist. But I work in a veritable bastion of liberalism. One that is connected to other bastions of liberalism all over the country.

And I cannot think of even one time that anyone has tolerated the idea that reverse racism does not exist.

Figuring out how to do our job within an environment free from discrimination of any kind is a challenge that we face daily. And we are constantly under the scrutiny of those involved in politics at all levels (which in AL means right-wing), of the state administration in Montgomery, and of the public at large.

We actively engage in efforts to fight discrimination of all kinds within our environment. And that includes reverse racism. It isn't always easy. There have been several times we have had to openly address it, and creates very uncomfortable situations. But we do it.

There have been lots of times in my work over the years that I have had to try not to throw up, because of the rabid liberal rhetoric that comes out of the mouths of some people that I work with. It is uncomfortable for me to admit that their basic views are in alignment with mine, I just can't stand how they express it.

The loudest people are the ones that are heard over a crowd. Those are usually the ones that are more extremists in their views. But that doesn't mean they are speaking for everyone.

Depends on who you're speaking of. Joether...a liberal...claims to be able to speak for all conservatives since he knows how we think, feel about all issues, our level of education.

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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/12/2015 11:46:30 AM   
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Harumph, there is no such thing as "reverse racism". "Racism" no way implies the racist person has any power at all.

rac·ism
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noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.


The noting of race specific traits is not racist unless it is used as justification of attitudes of superiority or inferiority. Genetic differences between races run to the ability to digest milk as an adult, whether the ear wax is flaky or goopy, the hue of the skin, and what the dominant hair form is. Aptitude of academic excellence or tendency for violence is more of a cultural meme than anything genetic.

You don't have to be white to be racist.
You don't have to be white to be prejudiced. (all dem Honky Crackers cain't be trusted)

It is truly tiresome to hear, over and over, politicos and media wonks playing the race card on what is clearly a culture conflict and actually nothing to do with race.

I rather like Chris Rock's over the top exaggeration illustrating one type of culture conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU


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RE: Student officer who allegedly posted 'kill all whit... - 10/12/2015 12:40:38 PM   
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Sorry, but the states hirening stadards involve reverse racism.

I never said anything about state hiring standards.

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