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joether -> RE: The Photo ID scam (10/7/2015 5:52:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: bounty44
while i am busy studying the facts of the situation (as opposed to your embarrassing partisan ranting), here is something for you to consider as to your thoughts on the evil machinations of the tea party:
indicators of a delusion: (edited for relevance)
1.The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
2.That idea appears to have an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
4.The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
5.There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening...the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
6.An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
8.The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
9.The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
and:
Delusional disorder or paranoid disorder:
"A person with delusional disorder or paranoid disorder cannot tell what's real or imagined"
http://www.webmd.boots.com/mental-health/mental-health-delusional-disorder
No one who spends more than a few minutes on this board has any delusion that you do not get along or agree with Joether. While I might agree with the diagnosis, your post had fuckall to do with the subject at hand.
Please stop pointing out the obvious with posts that have nothing to do with the subject. Please?
Up for a debate on the merits of the topic, DesideriScuri?
I give you a salute, for trying to hold the people in your political realm accountable. Its not an easy thing to do. The more the extreme sides (liberal and conservative) are allowed to control any one agenda, the more this nation is fucked!
I view Photo ID for voting to be a violation of the 4th amendment. In that the government has no right to your "personal papers" unless they have probable cause you are either in the process, or have commuted some crime or unlawful action.
The idea of Photo ID's by the GOP/TP was to create a layer of defense against voter fraud. Yet, I've pointed out just how easily it is to fake such documents here in Bostom with the 140+ universities and colleges. Out in the middle-of-nowhere, America, I do not think the person will have the knowledge to spoke a fake ID.
More so, that there is a public record of all the people that voted during the election. One only has to tally those people that have not voted in the previous three elections. If they didn't vote in the previous three, its likely they will not in that election either! Therefore such a faker would use that ID rather than someone that has voted and might do so in the next election. Easier to do in a community with many people than out in those small towns around the nation. Generally everyone knows everyone else in those small towns.
That people have to pay directly or indirectly to obtain a photo ID is a violation of the 24th amendment's protections against a poll tax.
Basically the whole idea at face value, does not really benefit us anymore than existing systems. Voter fraud as its been shown is so low as to have a negligible effect on the outcome of political races. Likewise those found guilty of voter fraud face harsh penalties. To a criminal they have to weight 'profit' against 'penalty'. Faking voting on even a dozen people has no realistic and potential payoff, yet being caught someone is penalized 4-6 years in jail and up to $5,000-25,000 per vote faked. Which is unlike a bank robber stealing $4 million dollars. The profit of $4 million can outweigh the penalty if the person has a good plan. Even if the voter fraud person executed everything perfectly, their candidate's win/lose will not be attributed to that event.
So your political part thinks its 'OK" to spend a huge pile of money on additional laws that do nothing to stop nor mitigate the problem. Then they will spend more money defending it in court and ultimately losing. This is all money that could have been spent elsewhere on better projects.
Here is a better way to prevent voter fraud: VOLUNTEER in your community. You'll get to meet just about everyone. Because when you volunteer, people know what you look like. So if someone tries to fake themselves as you, those people will tell the police officer on duty about it; and have them arrested. Likewise, if you know what John Doe looks like, and the person stating they are John Doe does not even remotely look like him; you can tell the police officer on duty and the person is most likely arrested.
The other benefits of volunteering is doing good things for those around you, making possible business connections, getting out of the house, and feeling better about yourself. There is that side benefit of protection from voter fraud too....
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