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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 6:36:35 AM   
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/10/10/christian-crusader-explains-how-in-his-future-theocracy-dissenters-will-be-put-to-death/

Christian Crusader Explains How, in His Future Theocracy, Dissenters Will Be Put to Death

Theodore Shoebat, a Christian extremist who’s on a perpetual crusade in his mind, just published a video in which he describes his future Christian society.
All you need to know about it is that anyone who speaks out against Christianity in that world will be put to death.
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When everyone believes in Christianity, then those who do not are expected to respect Christianity. We’re not saying that everybody has to be Christian or that, in the Christian society, non-believers can’t come. No. Non-believers can come into the Christian society…
A non-believer can be in the Christian society, but he has to respect and honor the Christian faith. Once someone begins to teach and to exhibit the signs of a diabolical belief system or an explicitly anti-Christian sentiment, then that person is most definitely determined to be a threat to the body. Once that person is determined to be a threat, then he has to be coerced to either stop what he is doing, reject it, or once he has become so obstinate about it, then the last resort is death.
From the accompanying video

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 6:45:41 AM   
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I would like to know which bible verse was he following precisely when he came out with this idea?

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 6:48:28 AM   
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Nothing new. Racism exists for people of colour too. When I was studying in Australia. My class had maybe 10% whites, and 90% different other races. It was a private school, not a public school.

And the non-whites did the exact same thing. Hold class parties, but no whites invited at all. My roommate was a Canadian white and I was told that I can come but my room mate is not welcome. Just because of her colour.

Not just white people are racist. That's for sure.

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 6:51:02 AM   
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I would like to know which bible verse was he following precisely when he came out with this idea?

apparently he has a number of videos online.
One of them explains that gayness leads to cannibalism.


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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 6:52:16 AM   
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Yes, this is dreadful. Yes, it's discrimination. Yes, nonwhites can be racists.

All that dutifully said, I do find myself curious about the backstory to this. Whose idea was it? What experiences spurred a sense of the need for a nonwhite class? Why would people of color feel safer in a white-free class?

This exemplifies a question with which the U.S. (and probably other societies as well) seems to struggle: When does a legitimate desire/need to be with folks who'll understand you (soccer moms, fat old queens, Anglo-Catholics, ex-Mormons, duck hunters, cancer survivors, ER nurses, and so forth) cross into unacceptable discrimination? Not sure there's an easy answer for that one.

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 6:57:13 AM   
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Perfect example

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 7:02:17 AM   
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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 7:32:49 AM   
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Yes, this is dreadful. Yes, it's discrimination. Yes, nonwhites can be racists.

All that dutifully said, I do find myself curious about the backstory to this. Whose idea was it? What experiences spurred a sense of the need for a nonwhite class? Why would people of color feel safer in a white-free class?
Here's a question: Would these same questions be asked if a white group had issued this invitation? Or...would the answer already be decided? (hint: 6 letters, starts with 'r' and ends with 't')
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This exemplifies a question with which the U.S. (and probably other societies as well) seems to struggle: When does a legitimate desire/need to be with folks who'll understand you (soccer moms, fat old queens, Anglo-Catholics, ex-Mormons, duck hunters, cancer survivors, ER nurses, and so forth) cross into unacceptable discrimination? Not sure there's an easy answer for that one.

Depends on the group...and who they're excluding. If they're Christian and they exclude gay, they're discriminating. No need to know the reason. If they're white and they exclude people of color, they're discriminating. If they're a mens golf club that excludes women, theyre discriminating. And with these two groups, the answers are already known...homophobes, bigots, racists, sexists.

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 9:16:26 AM   
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Yeah no.... Nothing like that. Ya think?

Yoga for People of Color

An email blast about the class says it's aimed at people of color and of all sexualities, ages, body sizes, abilities, genders, and experience with yoga. It specifically identifies "lesbian, bisexual, gay, queer and trans-friendly/affirming," plus people who self-identify as "African American/black/of the African Diaspora, Asian, South Asian, West Asian/Arab/Middle Eastern, Pacific Islander, First Nations/Alaskan Native/Native American/Indigenous, Chican/Latin, or Multiracial/Mixed-Race."

In other words, just about everybody. Well, except...

The email adds that "white friends, allies and partners are respectfully asked not to attend."

Anybody want to squeeze this pimple?


If this is an actual business; its in for a wake-up call back to reality. Would it be right for an 'all white yoga' session in an area open to the public? No. So, a class that excludes whites while allowing everyone else in, is 'ok"? No, its not. Therefore, this organization, if its real, should rethink their business model in light of existing laws.

If as Aylee states is true, then they took it down. Unlike some anti-gay bakers that pushed their 'ideology' well over the line into legal channels.

Taking down a facebook post, or whatever it was, down does not mean the event is not still on.

Remember, it is impossible for women to be sexist or anyone who is non white to be racist.

It says so right in the liberal handbook.


Prove its 'still on'.....


I didn't say it was.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

You have no friends apparently.


I'm going to go...S L O W L Y.....for your benefit. This is what you stated:

"Taking down a facebook post, or whatever it was, down does not mean the event is not still on."

This is the reply to that:

"Prove its 'still on'...."

Your the one stating that the event could still be 'on'. I asked you, to PROVE IT. Its a very simple thing to do. Either you have EVIDENCE of such a thing, or your just blowing bullshit around. If this group does press forward with the event, I'd STILL be against it. Because yoga is not something to ban people from on the account of skin color. Anyone can learn the art.

Maybe you should try some of that 'reading comprehension' you bullshitting about. If you had it, you would have known what I was asking in the first place; thereby presenting the requested information. Why couldn't you do that?


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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 9:35:07 AM   
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I would like to know which bible verse was he following precisely when he came out with this idea?


The problem with that line of thought is simple: I can use the Holy Bible to justify anything I want. The problem is that it makes it way to easy to justify great acts of evil; the very opposite of Christianity. To many people in history have used the Bible to justify all sorts of destruction, suffering, degrading, and even out right cleansing. These people spew their evil and then hide behind the Bible when others call their extremist position out as being non-Christian.

We have many pseudo-Christians in the nation right now. People whom follow only those parts of the Bible that are of political convenience to them. Most of these people could not explain knowledge of Luke 6: 31, nor what it really means.

What the guy doesn't understand is that respect is a two way street. He demands respect coming towards his views on Christianity while not doing the same outwardly. He believes he is justify to take....any and all actions....towards anyone that doesn't give him respect (when he gives none in return), as justification to murder them. Sorry, but his 'freedom of religion' has a limit. He murders someone due to religion and he'll be in jail for a LONG TIME!

By his views, he causes more people to question their faith in Christianity. Some to even leave it as 'a belief for whacko-ignorant-saveges'. The number of people in this country who state they are Christian has been declining for twenty years now. One only has to watch Pat Robertson's rantings to understand why....

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 9:36:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: joether


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Yeah no.... Nothing like that. Ya think?

Yoga for People of Color

An email blast about the class says it's aimed at people of color and of all sexualities, ages, body sizes, abilities, genders, and experience with yoga. It specifically identifies "lesbian, bisexual, gay, queer and trans-friendly/affirming," plus people who self-identify as "African American/black/of the African Diaspora, Asian, South Asian, West Asian/Arab/Middle Eastern, Pacific Islander, First Nations/Alaskan Native/Native American/Indigenous, Chican/Latin, or Multiracial/Mixed-Race."

In other words, just about everybody. Well, except...

The email adds that "white friends, allies and partners are respectfully asked not to attend."

Anybody want to squeeze this pimple?


If this is an actual business; its in for a wake-up call back to reality. Would it be right for an 'all white yoga' session in an area open to the public? No. So, a class that excludes whites while allowing everyone else in, is 'ok"? No, its not. Therefore, this organization, if its real, should rethink their business model in light of existing laws.

If as Aylee states is true, then they took it down. Unlike some anti-gay bakers that pushed their 'ideology' well over the line into legal channels.

Taking down a facebook post, or whatever it was, down does not mean the event is not still on.

Remember, it is impossible for women to be sexist or anyone who is non white to be racist.

It says so right in the liberal handbook.


Prove its 'still on'.....


I didn't say it was.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

You have no friends apparently.


I'm going to go...S L O W L Y.....for your benefit. This is what you stated:

"Taking down a facebook post, or whatever it was, down does not mean the event is not still on."

This is the reply to that:

"Prove its 'still on'...."

Your the one stating that the event could still be 'on'. I asked you, to PROVE IT. Its a very simple thing to do. Either you have EVIDENCE of such a thing, or your just blowing bullshit around. If this group does press forward with the event, I'd STILL be against it. Because yoga is not something to ban people from on the account of skin color. Anyone can learn the art.

Maybe you should try some of that 'reading comprehension' you bullshitting about. If you had it, you would have known what I was asking in the first place; thereby presenting the requested information. Why couldn't you do that?



I said taking down a post doesn't mean it isn't still on.

I didn't say "The event is still on despite the post being down".

Anyone with an IQ above the freezing point of elemental Mercury knows that is not a claim that "the event is on".
It is a claim that "Taking down the facebook post doesn't mean it's cancelled. "Not still on"."
You requested information to prove a 'point' that I didn't claim in the first place.
I daresay that from the logic and comprehension you display here, you have to go S-L-O-W-L-Y for everything.

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 9:57:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
Yes, this is dreadful. Yes, it's discrimination. Yes, nonwhites can be racists.

All that dutifully said, I do find myself curious about the backstory to this. Whose idea was it? What experiences spurred a sense of the need for a nonwhite class? Why would people of color feel safer in a white-free class?

Here's a question: Would these same questions be asked if a white group had issued this invitation? Or...would the answer already be decided? (hint: 6 letters, starts with 'r' and ends with 't')


Rabbet? Racket? Rapist? Redact? Recant? Recoat? Recast? Reedit? Relist? Replot? Rubbet? Runlet? Revolt? Regret? Readout? Repost? Rillet? Rodent? Rubout?

Am I even close?

Can you give us a better hint?

Answer to your question: Yes, yes it would be. In fact, that was the underlying question being asked by people on the left of that anti-gay bakery. Its a wedding cake. Isn't cake for eating? Yes, my pants might show up at a wedding because I'm wearing them; should the tailor deny me service because he's anti-gay? Or is there a label that states: "Can Only Be Worn for Non-Gay Weddings"?

Every time a Republican politicians spews out hatred towards their fellow Americans, we are often asking "Why would you say this"?

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
This exemplifies a question with which the U.S. (and probably other societies as well) seems to struggle: When does a legitimate desire/need to be with folks who'll understand you (soccer moms, fat old queens, Anglo-Catholics, ex-Mormons, duck hunters, cancer survivors, ER nurses, and so forth) cross into unacceptable discrimination? Not sure there's an easy answer for that one.

Depends on the group...and who they're excluding. If they're Christian and they exclude gay, they're discriminating. No need to know the reason. If they're white and they exclude people of color, they're discriminating. If they're a mens golf club that excludes women, theyre discriminating. And with these two groups, the answers are already known...homophobes, bigots, racists, sexists.


'Close Minded Conservative'.....

Actually, I do wish to know why a pseudo-Christian group excludes gays from an event. Actual, REAL Christians do not have a problem with gay people. In fact, invite them to their events. If they do not show, nothing is lost. No disrespect incurred. The REAL Christians understand and respect those whom are gay for their views. When vise versa takes place, everyone gets along just find. I've known/heard of many Christians whom attended a wedding for a friend or relative and displayed nothing but happiness for them. REAL Christians understand that hatred is the Devil's tool. The Devil....LOVES....to corrupt people. Pseudo-Christians (whom are corrupted) do not understand that concept.

In one of the local cities, I know one support group open only to women. They explain that some of their members have been very brutalized in relationships. So the group is a way for that person to open up about such events as a way to heal from them. They do not exclude men. As some women have found a better man whom treats them with love, kindness, and respect. Such men have to be 'vetted' so as to not potentially cause undue stress (and invited at times to join the group for the evening). Each of the therapist (all women) whom help run this program are married to men. They each explain that they have no trouble with men at one of their sessions. In fact, it sometimes helps those just entering after a hellish marriage of abuse, to meet someone of the opposite sex whom is opposed to such violence.

There are groups, and they could have a very legitimate reason for excluding someone. But it is up to people to weigh the merits of those excluded carefully. In some cases that line between 'unjust' and 'justified' could be very blurred.

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 10:31:14 AM   
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Yes, this is dreadful. Yes, it's discrimination. Yes, nonwhites can be racists.

All that dutifully said, I do find myself curious about the backstory to this. Whose idea was it? What experiences spurred a sense of the need for a nonwhite class? Why would people of color feel safer in a white-free class?
Here's a question: Would these same questions be asked if a white group had issued this invitation? Or...would the answer already be decided? (hint: 6 letters, starts with 'r' and ends with 't')
quote:



This exemplifies a question with which the U.S. (and probably other societies as well) seems to struggle: When does a legitimate desire/need to be with folks who'll understand you (soccer moms, fat old queens, Anglo-Catholics, ex-Mormons, duck hunters, cancer survivors, ER nurses, and so forth) cross into unacceptable discrimination? Not sure there's an easy answer for that one.

Depends on the group...and who they're excluding. If they're Christian and they exclude gay, they're discriminating. No need to know the reason. If they're white and they exclude people of color, they're discriminating. If they're a mens golf club that excludes women, theyre discriminating. And with these two groups, the answers are already known...homophobes, bigots, racists, sexists.

Glad I could give you a chance to vent. Did it help?

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/11/2015 12:12:53 PM   
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REAL Christians understand that hatred is the Devil's tool.

Again with "the Devil." You guys know each other well? Have something going on?

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In one of the local cities, I know one support group open only to women. They explain that some of their members have been very brutalized in relationships. So the group is a way for that person to open up about such events as a way to heal from them. They do not exclude men.

Whooosh, it's awfully breezy in that head of yours.

K.

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RE: Whites Only, No Colored - 10/13/2015 10:44:24 AM   
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Nothing new. Racism exists for people of colour too. When I was studying in Australia. My class had maybe 10% whites, and 90% different other races. It was a private school, not a public school.

And the non-whites did the exact same thing. Hold class parties, but no whites invited at all. My roommate was a Canadian white and I was told that I can come but my room mate is not welcome. Just because of her colour.

Not just white people are racist. That's for sure.


Well now we know about that about people of colour it is ok for whites to continue with racism right???

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