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MikeRaven -> Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 8:05:38 AM)
I've had some "crazy and wild" experiences but I financially paid for them. For example, an absolutely beautiful Dominatrix wanted to see me , which I did, even though I'm Dominant. However, I had to give a tribute. I met a submissive at an event and we became friends. She began to tell me all of her "crazy and wild" experiences. I'm not jealous or complaining, because I've had my fair share. The difference was that it was all free for her. Whenever she goes to an event she gets all sorts of free offers. I'm not talking about authentic and quality relationships. I'm talking about going out and having a fun and crazy time. It really seems like women have a big advantage over men in this regard. Well at least from a man's perspective they seem to. What about a woman's perspective? Don't you think it's a lot easier for you? And you don't have to pay for it.

OsideGirl -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 8:41:26 AM)
In the SoCal community, men far outnumber the women. So, it's the law of supply and demand. When I was 31, I placed an ad looking to meet a Dom and received 200 responses in one week....and they were all local. When I was single in the Los Angeles community...yes, lots of guys offered me things. On the other hand, they were also super pushy about trying to get what they want and there were times when I had to adamantly hold my ground. The amount of competition makes some of the guys rabid.

peppermint -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 8:44:02 AM)
Let me tell you a story that happened to Gary when he was a much younger man. He had almost no money that week. He walked into the bar, put his $5 down and told the bartender that he was leaving when the $5 was gone. Someone down the bar yelled "I'll pay for his first drink." The next morning he woke up and found himself in bed with a gorgeous blonde. She said they'd had a great time the night before but since he couldn't remember a thing they had sex again. As he got dressed he found a $20 bill in his shirt pocket. When he asked the blonde about it she said it was laying in front of him when they decided to leave the bar so she put it in his pocket. So in one night he got drunk, got laid, and made $15.

BitaTruble -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 8:56:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven I've had some "crazy and wild" experiences but I financially paid for them. For example, an absolutely beautiful Dominatrix wanted to see me , which I did, even though I'm Dominant. However, I had to give a tribute. I met a submissive at an event and we became friends. She began to tell me all of her "crazy and wild" experiences. I'm not jealous or complaining, because I've had my fair share. The difference was that it was all free for her. Whenever she goes to an event she gets all sorts of free offers. I'm not talking about authentic and quality relationships. I'm talking about going out and having a fun and crazy time. It really seems like women have a big advantage over men in this regard. Well at least from a man's perspective they seem to. What about a woman's perspective? Don't you think it's a lot easier for you? And you don't have to pay for it. No. I get discounts at eateries because of my age not my gender. I don't get a thousand emails and the ones I do get are almost always from forum regs and the occasional email with someone asking if I skipped my meds when I wrote my profile. Lol I don't get free stuff.. Must be a young, hot and cute thing and, for sure, I don't qualify. I do have the occasional cute moment and a great hair day is a great hair day regardless of gender!

BitaTruble -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 8:58:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: peppermint Let me tell you a story that happened to Gary when he was a much younger man. He had almost no money that week. He walked into the bar, put his $5 down and told the bartender that he was leaving when the $5 was gone. Someone down the bar yelled "I'll pay for his first drink." The next morning he woke up and found himself in bed with a gorgeous blonde. She said they'd had a great time the night before but since he couldn't remember a thing they had sex again. As he got dressed he found a $20 bill in his shirt pocket. When he asked the blonde about it she said it was laying in front of him when they decided to leave the bar so she put it in his pocket. So in one night he got drunk, got laid, and made $15. What a great story!

MikeRaven -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 9:03:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl In the SoCal community, men far outnumber the women. So, it's the law of supply and demand. When I was 31, I placed an ad looking to meet a Dom and received 200 responses in one week....and they were all local. When I was single in the Los Angeles community...yes, lots of guys offered me things. On the other hand, they were also super pushy about trying to get what they want and there were times when I had to adamantly hold my ground. The amount of competition makes some of the guys rabid. When my friend told me what was some of her wild and crazy experiences, she said she met a Dominant at an event and he asked her if he could eat her out in the restroom and so they went in there and did it. Another time she got invited to a private party and they watched people having sex and doing scenes in the back yard, which she participated in. A lot of couples would approach her and sometimes they wanted her just to watch, or direct a scene. She didn't mention anything about overly pushy and over-bearing men invading her space. I got the impression everything was boundary safe with nice people. You wrote hat you received 200 responses and they were all local. Whereas if a man places a listing he would get 0. Would you agree that it's far easier for a woman?

LadyPact -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 9:11:53 AM)
I'm not really sure what you are asking here. Do women get "free" offers? Sure. Every woman does and some of them are even legit. I prefer to stay out of that crap. I don't demand tribute and I don't accept gifts of the monetary type. I did allow ExT to pay the admission at the club for the four of us the night we went, but I saw that as a friendly gesture as gratitude for (hopefully) treating him well when he stayed with us for three weeks. It was a nice thing for him to do and the four of us had a great time that night. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I pay door fees when I do a presentation or a demo. It's customary for a group, club, or event to allow free access once you've come to teach other folks whatever it is that you came to teach. Most of us aren't Jack Rinella or Midori where we're getting travel paid on top of admission to the event and accommodations at five star hotels. We're not getting speaker fees or anything like that. My personal criteria is that I have to break even at best or spend the equivalent that I would have as an event attendee. I turn down offers to present where I know from jump that I'll be going in the red. I'm kind of cheap like that. I prefer to save the money for the crazy adventures.

Greta75 -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 9:20:50 AM)
quote: Don't you think it's a lot easier for you? And you don't have to pay for it. This is the weirdest question ever! Especially if you identify as a dominant. Define paying? There are many men who don't hire pros to make their fantasies come true. They connect with regular women, and make things happen. There are literally men who can make women pay for them too.

peppermint -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 9:21:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven Would you agree that it's far easier for a woman? Easier in what way? To find a compatible partner? To get laid? Yes, I will agree that a woman can get laid by a stranger easier than a guy can get into bed with a stranger. Sorry, that's just the way it is. However, I think it's even odds for finding a compatible partner. For every man looking for a long term partner I would think there is a woman. The hard part is for people who have things in common to find each other.

MikeRaven -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 9:35:53 AM)
I'm not talking about authentic or quality relationships. I'm not talking about just sex either. I'm talking about "wild and crazy" experiences. The few women I've chatted with say they get plenty at the parties. It seems like they have more fun because they have more opportunities. If I wanted to have a "wild and crazy" experience with a young and beautiful woman I can have it, but I would have to pay for it. Women don't have to pay for it. It seems like it's easier for women because they have more opportunities and it's free.

Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 10:18:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven I'm not talking about authentic or quality relationships. I'm not talking about just sex either. I'm talking about "wild and crazy" experiences. The few women I've chatted with say they get plenty at the parties. It seems like they have more fun because they have more opportunities. If I wanted to have a "wild and crazy" experience with a young and beautiful woman I can have it, but I would have to pay for it. Women don't have to pay for it. It seems like it's easier for women because they have more opportunities and it's free. What an novel and profound discovery.

DesFIP -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 11:19:17 AM)
It is equally difficult for men and women to find compatible partners. If all you're talking about is finding a sex partner for the night, sure it's easier for women. However, the risks are higher. Having sex with a stranger usually means we won't enjoy it because most guys aren't going to bother talking to us to find out what we need. In fact, even if we tell them, they don't listen. Same with play partners.

MikeRaven -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 11:36:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP It is equally difficult for men and women to find compatible partners. If all you're talking about is finding a sex partner for the night, sure it's easier for women. However, the risks are higher. Having sex with a stranger usually means we won't enjoy it because most guys aren't going to bother talking to us to find out what we need. In fact, even if we tell them, they don't listen. Same with play partners. You make a really good point. All the women I've had were pretty easy to talk to. They wanted to know somethings about me and they wanted to see me again. Maybe because they enjoyed the play and the money. Maybe women are more social then men. I've never had, or met, a woman that was pushy, only wanted one thing and then when it's over, it's out the door and they didn't want to see me again. I think it would make an interesting topic: "Are Women More Social Then Men?"

angelikaJ -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 12:03:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl In the SoCal community, men far outnumber the women. So, it's the law of supply and demand. When I was 31, I placed an ad looking to meet a Dom and received 200 responses in one week....and they were all local. When I was single in the Los Angeles community...yes, lots of guys offered me things. On the other hand, they were also super pushy about trying to get what they want and there were times when I had to adamantly hold my ground. The amount of competition makes some of the guys rabid. When my friend told me what was some of her wild and crazy experiences, she said she met a Dominant at an event and he asked her if he could eat her out in the restroom and so they went in there and did it. Another time she got invited to a private party and they watched people having sex and doing scenes in the back yard, which she participated in. A lot of couples would approach her and sometimes they wanted her just to watch, or direct a scene. She didn't mention anything about overly pushy and over-bearing men invading her space. I got the impression everything was boundary safe with nice people. Since some of the people who played with your friend, were men and they did not pay her, I would suggest that maybe you might find more opportunities if you go to local events. Perhaps then you will get invited to private play parties, and then you could have a chance for more frequent and varied experiences.

peppermint -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 12:05:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven You make a really good point. All the women I've had were pretty easy to talk to. They wanted to know somethings about me and they wanted to see me again. Maybe because they enjoyed the play and the money. Duh. If you make your living from men paying to play with you, then obviously you need to ask about them and be friendly. Whether they enjoyed the play or not you will never know. They will appear to have enjoyed it. Return business is always good. Regular customers mean regular income.

OsideGirl -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 12:16:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven She didn't mention anything about overly pushy and over-bearing men invading her space. I got the impression everything was boundary safe with nice people. Well, I'm picky. I'm particular about who I have sex with, who I play with and who I spend time with. If you're saying "yes" to them they have no reason to be pushy. When you say "No" to them, they're not quite so pleasant. I could tell dozens of stories about guys that tried various methods to try and pressure me into playing and/or having sex with them. quote: Would you agree that it's far easier for a woman? In general, it's easier for a woman to get laid. I can go down to the bar with friends and still get hit on...and that's at age 49, 30lbs overweight and wearing a wedding ring.

J0K3ER -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 12:18:02 PM)
He made $20

peppermint -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 12:27:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: J0K3ER He made $20 It cost him $5 to make the $20. If I put $5 in a slot machine and cash out an hour later for $20, I have made a profit of $15.

J0K3ER -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 12:42:08 PM)
You put $5 in slot machine and you get a $5 Worth drink and $20 you made 20, he was going to use his 5 anyway,

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Free VS. Paid (10/12/2015 8:45:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MikeRaven I've had some "crazy and wild" experiences but I financially paid for them. For example, an absolutely beautiful Dominatrix wanted to see me , which I did, even though I'm Dominant. However, I had to give a tribute. I met a submissive at an event and we became friends. She began to tell me all of her "crazy and wild" experiences. I'm not jealous or complaining, because I've had my fair share. The difference was that it was all free for her. Whenever she goes to an event she gets all sorts of free offers. I'm not talking about authentic and quality relationships. I'm talking about going out and having a fun and crazy time. It really seems like women have a big advantage over men in this regard. Well at least from a man's perspective they seem to. What about a woman's perspective? Don't you think it's a lot easier for you? And you don't have to pay for it. Mike.....are you serious? They have tits.....and a vagina. This is kind of a rocks/paper/scissors kind of thing except.....pussy and vagina wins every time. (Any questions?)

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