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cloudboy -> Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 8:57:29 AM)
Why can't the Republicans elect one? What's your analysis?

Lucylastic -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 9:06:35 AM)
The Freedom Caucus. I read an alalysis of mc Carthys departure apart (from his truth telling faux pas and he cant speak proper sentances, he actually makes palins word salads look tame) which mentioned the freedom caucus paperwork which asked questions that he wouldnt agree to..Im gonna have to search out the link. Chaffetz is a clusterfuck because of his planned parenthood bullshit. while admitting that the committee found no issues with their financial records, he is still going to insist on more committees. Even tho he blatantly lied, if you havent seen his ugly, look for the full video. Ryan doesnt want the clusterfuck parties responsibilities. Or does he, is she playing this out for the popularity ego The GOP is unhinged. its easy.

joether -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 10:14:59 AM)
The GOP/TP can't find someone to run for their ticket that has some experience running a government as a US President. The ones currently in the House either have to little popularity or to many problems/baggage. Their methodology for the nomination is skewed towards the 'impossible to fill', given they want someone whom is VERY conservative. The problem is, their 'understanding' of conservative is most of our version of 'extreme of the extremist conservative'. A person whom will utterly doom their chances in the general election. At current, the Republican controlled Congress has only accomplished one think in ten months: make a budget. Even that, they almost failed a few times! For a bunch of individuals that stated they'll do better things for the nation; I've yet to see them deliver on that promise. Hell, President Obama has done more work in his first thirty minutes as a US President than these clowns in ten months! But will be funny to watch the Speaker Clown Car!

Lucylastic -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 10:19:30 AM)
http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000150-49be-d501-ab5d-6dbf7cd70000 links to the freedom caucus questionnaire with all the relevant info. The House Freedom Caucus passed out a questionnaire and suggested changes to the House rules to every candidate for speaker of the House. Here is POLITICO's analysis of their requests: The group of conservative hardliners wants to "decentralize" the Steering Committee, the panel that decides committee assignments. The HFC wanted to strip the speaker and majority leader of their outsized influence on the panel. The HFC wanted to know if the new speaker would agree to only pass a debt limit increase if it included entitlement reform. They asked if the candidates would commit to impeaching IRS Commissioner John Koskinen. The HFC asked if the new speaker would commit to passing all 12 spending bills, and "not acquiesce to a continuing resolution in the event Senate Democrats try to block the appropriations process." Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/the-gavel/2015/10/house-freedom-caucus-rules-change-214591#ixzz3oNJbNDLl This is quite a read from think progress. The House of Representative is in chaos. John Boehner announced his intention to step down as Speaker at the end of the month. There doesn’t appear to be anyone to take his place. The leading candidate, Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, abruptly withdrew from the race yesterday. Another popular choice, Paul Ryan, says he’s not interested. What happened? How did we get to this point? One document, produced by the House Freedom Caucus, holds all the answers. Framed as a “questionnaire” the document effectively makes it impossible for any candidate to both: 1) Get elected speaker, and 2) Not send the entire country (and maybe the world) over a cliff. Why the Freedom Caucus has so much power The House Freedom Caucus, a relatively new group of about 40 Republicans loosely associated with the Tea Party, has an extraordinary amount of power in this process. Any potential speaker needs the support of 218 Republicans on the floor of the House. There are currently 247 Republicans in the House. That’s a large majority but without the Freedom Caucus, no candidate can get to 218. What the Freedom Caucus says they want The Freedom Caucus says they are just fighting for arcane rule changes that will enhance “democracy” in the House. On CNN yesterday, David Brat, a prominent member of the Freedom Caucus outlined his criteria for a new speaker. (You may remember Brat for his surprise victory over Eric Cantor, the man many assumed would replace Boehner as speaker.) Anyone that ensures a fair process for all sides. That’s what we are all looking for, right… We’ve shown principle. We are waiting for leadership candidates to put in writing moves that ensure you have a democratic process within our own conference. That is what everyone is waiting to see. And it’s got to be in writing, ahead of time for that to be credible. Sounds perfectly reasonable, right? much more at http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/09/3711011/this-document-reveals-why-the-house-of-representatives-is-in-complete-chaos/

Musicmystery -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 11:20:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Why can't the Republicans elect one? What's your analysis? What's the mystery? There are a number of different factions, and they have been successful in ousting moderates as "rino"s. That leaves various groups of uncompromising ideologues, none of which has a majority. Until they learn that governance means making choices, they're going to struggle. Probably by continuing to take strident positions instead of proposing any workable solutions. I really hope at some point the old GOP crew just starts a new party. Problem is--they need these lunatics to win elections. So...it's a standoff.

cloudboy -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 1:29:18 PM)
Everything that I have read and heard also indicates it's a civil war situation between the Freedom Caucus and the rest of the Republicans. Tom Cole is amazed that so many freshman newcomers are trying to push everyone else around without "doing the work" to earn their stripes as respected, Congressmen first.

kdsub -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 1:35:26 PM)
Simple to me...Relative non-radicals in the house understand that the speaker's job is a hopeless one and could damage their political careers. The radical tea party'ers know that any nominee by them would be defeated. So until a moderate, which the house has not had in years, can be found there will be no speaker. My only fear is the non-radicals will give up the fight as non-radicals often do when faced with insanity. Butch

Aylee -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 2:42:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The GOP/TP can't find someone to run for their ticket that has some experience running a government as a US President. The list of persons with experience as a US President is rather narrow. And while the Speaker of the House does NOT have to be a member of the House, the Speaker is in line for the presidency. So, former presidents that have served two terms are not eligible. That leaves George HW Bush and Jimmy Carter. You are such a twit.

mnottertail -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 2:45:08 PM)
In the country I live in, it is sort of required that the speaker of the house is not a senator. The thing about the presidency is sort of up for grabs, if that happened, it would go to scotus. But it is a rather unlikely happenstance in any case.

Aylee -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 3:01:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail In the country I live in, it is sort of required that the speaker of the house is not a senator. The thing about the presidency is sort of up for grabs, if that happened, it would go to scotus. But it is a rather unlikely happenstance in any case. Argh. Ya got me. I am very tired. Thanks, I will change it if I still can.

bounty44 -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 3:08:08 PM)
its absolutely shocking to me that conservatives, who are on the whole more or less mainline (aka "tea party"), would be considered "radical." how far we have some when fiscal responsibility, government limited to the constitution, lesser taxes/smaller government is considered so. if you think about it for a moment, its not that they "can't" elect someone, its just that they haven't yet. it really shouldn't be an easy process finding a person that 218 people can agree on. that said, paul ryan's name has been offered up and he's been approached many times. his first response, and many subsequent responses has been no but last I heard, he had said he would take some time to think about it. he would likely get the necessary votes...

Musicmystery -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 3:23:02 PM)
If you think the Tea Party is "mainline," then I imagine quite a few things will come as a shock to you.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 7:54:16 PM)
This is why they will once again lose the presidency. United we stand, divided we fall. They will fall again.

MrRodgers -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 8:12:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 its absolutely shocking to me that conservatives, who are on the whole more or less mainline (aka "tea party"), would be considered "radical." how far we have some when fiscal responsibility, government limited to the constitution, lesser taxes/smaller government is considered so. if you think about it for a moment, its not that they "can't" elect someone, its just that they haven't yet. it really shouldn't be an easy process finding a person that 218 people can agree on. that said, paul ryan's name has been offered up and he's been approached many times. his first response, and many subsequent responses has been no but last I heard, he had said he would take some time to think about it. he would likely get the necessary votes... The problem is the 'brand.' When fiscal responsibility, government limited to the constitution, lesser taxes/smaller government is considered but for over 30 years, the 'conservative' brand has failed yet to have realized that by any repub pres or congress...it's proclamation becomes hollow. Then when you add in a variety of hearings admittedly held just to denigrate the opposition, plus a concerted refusal to compromise in order to even try to ween govt. off of its addictions, then threatening govt. shutdowns etc., one is hard pressed to call them mainstream anything and for that matter...hence the label, radicals.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/12/2015 8:47:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Why can't the Republicans elect one? What's your analysis? They can. They will.

Lucylastic -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/13/2015 6:32:53 AM)
oh sweet gawd...Tom Cotton(of the iran letter) Is saying that Dick Cheney should be a choice as speaker ITS CHENEY FOR SPEAKER: Yep, Sen. Tom Cotton told us in an interview that with all the instability in the House leadership, it’s time to turn to the former vice president. “Look, these are trying times for our nation. It’s important to have a steady hand on the helm during times like this. I think experience really counts in a matter like this. I think House leadership experience really matters. And as you know the speaker doesn’t have to be a member of the House: So therefore, Vice President Cheney for speaker.” SMK and I asked if he was serious, and Cotton replied: “He’s a man of the House, he says that himself.” Read more: http://www.politico.com/tipsheets/huddle/2015/10/politico-huddle-what-it-would-take-for-ryan-to-run-cotton-wants-cheney-as-speaker-ex-im-makes-comeback-benghazi-panels-latest-drama-210658#ixzz3oSF9V9Lv

lovmuffin -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/13/2015 7:22:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 its absolutely shocking to me that conservatives, who are on the whole more or less mainline (aka "tea party"), would be considered "radical." how far we have some when fiscal responsibility, government limited to the constitution, lesser taxes/smaller government is considered so. if you think about it for a moment, its not that they "can't" elect someone, its just that they haven't yet. it really shouldn't be an easy process finding a person that 218 people can agree on. that said, paul ryan's name has been offered up and he's been approached many times. his first response, and many subsequent responses has been no but last I heard, he had said he would take some time to think about it. he would likely get the necessary votes... The problem is the 'brand.' When fiscal responsibility, government limited to the constitution, lesser taxes/smaller government is considered but for over 30 years, the 'conservative' brand has failed yet to have realized that by any repub pres or congress...it's proclamation becomes hollow. Then when you add in a variety of hearings admittedly held just to denigrate the opposition, plus a concerted refusal to compromise in order to even try to ween govt. off of its addictions, then threatening govt. shutdowns etc., one is hard pressed to call them mainstream anything and for that matter...hence the label, radicals. I would say it's the Republican brand that has failed as distinguished from the conservative brand. So many of them are afraid of those lables so they've failed to use the power that they have. But yeah, its kind of like dangling that carrot on a stick in front of the conservative voters.

mnottertail -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/13/2015 7:33:46 AM)
But the conservative brand and republican brand are closely intertwined, thats why nutsuckers are always running around gurgling 'rino', 'rino' and throwing Goldwater, Ike, Reagan, Lincoln, et al under the bus while denying the same.

lovmuffin -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/13/2015 7:41:15 AM)
Sure, unfortunately they're intertwined but isn't that the problem ? It's certainly not conservatives throwing those guys under the bus. ETA: The nutsuckers are on the other side of the isle.

mnottertail -> RE: Republican Speaker of the House (10/13/2015 7:57:33 AM)
quote: It's certainly not conservatives throwing those guys under the bus. No, nutsuckers are on the same side of the aisle as republicans. The nutsucker party all have (-R) after their name. http://quotesfans.com/ronald-reagan-quotes-on-gun-control/ Ta-dunk, under the bus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG4V_6pCLVo Ta-dunk, the gipper gets the greyhound again!!!!! http://politicalquotes.org/node/33685 (ohh, tiretracks all up and down that shiny mohair/wool suit) There is more but thats enough to disprove the propaganda.

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