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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/25/2015 5:17:44 PM

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Those aren't supported positions, Bama -- they're a questionnaire.

And all of them voiced in strict either/or fallacy terms.

Why the insistence on grouping me into something "which we have seen supported to some degree on here"?

My guess is that then you'd have to engage thoughtfully, instead of pulling stock opinions off the shelf.

None of them are misstated. You just post snark and refused to be penned down to saying you actually believe in anything.

You can't read, Your Snarkiness. I've no doubt they are stated just fine -- but why the insistence on shoe-horning me into that "which we have seen supported to some degree on here"? You've conveniently ignored that part.

Everything to you is this or that, black or white, left or right, pro or against, and that's how you see posts here too...you have two groups of people in your head, and you can't fathom positions not squarely in one camp or the other.

Nor am I obsessed with talking about guns 24/7. I'll enter the discussion when there's a point to be made, and not give a shit the rest of the time.

The world isn't simplistic. You are.

That was to show that I wasn't just pulling something out of my hat. It is not questionare I gave you several choices of positions epoused so there might be at least one on which you have an opinion. Instead you whine about being shoehorned. Explain any of those you have a position on and feel free to elaborate on the nuances of said position. Black and white is better than gutless.

BTW every one of those positions has been supported in one thread or another. So yes they are supported positions

Again, you can't read.

Not by me. Why am I supposed to take positions already posted?

Other than you'd need new material, instead of repeating the same shit.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/25/2015 5:31:27 PM

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Those aren't supported positions, Bama -- they're a questionnaire.

And all of them voiced in strict either/or fallacy terms.

Why the insistence on grouping me into something "which we have seen supported to some degree on here"?

My guess is that then you'd have to engage thoughtfully, instead of pulling stock opinions off the shelf.

None of them are misstated. You just post snark and refused to be penned down to saying you actually believe in anything.

You can't read, Your Snarkiness. I've no doubt they are stated just fine -- but why the insistence on shoe-horning me into that "which we have seen supported to some degree on here"? You've conveniently ignored that part.

Everything to you is this or that, black or white, left or right, pro or against, and that's how you see posts here too...you have two groups of people in your head, and you can't fathom positions not squarely in one camp or the other.

Nor am I obsessed with talking about guns 24/7. I'll enter the discussion when there's a point to be made, and not give a shit the rest of the time.

The world isn't simplistic. You are.

That was to show that I wasn't just pulling something out of my hat. It is not questionare I gave you several choices of positions epoused so there might be at least one on which you have an opinion. Instead you whine about being shoehorned. Explain any of those you have a position on and feel free to elaborate on the nuances of said position. Black and white is better than gutless.

BTW every one of those positions has been supported in one thread or another. So yes they are supported positions

Again, you can't read.

Not by me. Why am I supposed to take positions already posted?

Other than you'd need new material, instead of repeating the same shit.

You don't take a position on anything, except you did say you favor metal detectors in school. Still you act like you know more than those who actually take a stand.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/25/2015 6:18:18 PM

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Bullshit. I've never done anything of the sort on firearms issues, except in your own head.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/25/2015 6:43:56 PM

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You don't take a position on anything, except you did say you favor metal detectors in school. Still you act like you know more than those who actually take a stand.

He's a troll, best to ignore him.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/25/2015 6:48:32 PM

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You don't take a position on anything, except you did say you favor metal detectors in school. Still you act like you know more than those who actually take a stand.

He's a troll, best to ignore him.

yep he adds nothing and takes up space.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/25/2015 6:50:18 PM

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And with you making such engaging arguments like that spacious one.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 6:40:44 AM

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You don't take a position on anything, except you did say you favor metal detectors in school. Still you act like you know more than those who actually take a stand.

He's a troll, best to ignore him.

yep he adds nothing and takes up space.

he was my first unpleasant experience here when I re-joined. I was genuinely trying to understand a position/point he was making so I could engage in the conversation, and his response to was to be pompous and play nettlesome word games instead. ive not had an ounce of respect for him since and his recent posts and conversations have only served to affirm that.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 10:08:26 AM

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You don't take a position on anything, except you did say you favor metal detectors in school. Still you act like you know more than those who actually take a stand.

He's a troll, best to ignore him.

yep he adds nothing and takes up space.

he was my first unpleasant experience here when I re-joined. I was genuinely trying to understand a position/point he was making so I could engage in the conversation, and his response to was to be pompous and play nettlesome word games instead. ive not had an ounce of respect for him since and his recent posts and conversations have only served to affirm that.

That is why I have put him back on hide. I took him off and tried to have a conversation with him for over a month but he just kept playing the same childish games so I won't waste any more time on him.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 1:35:59 PM

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Its the only way you can get thru any thread here that upsets your ignorance.
Hide from those who do, can and have called you out on your bullshit.
You might think you have the right answers. Your hide list says otherwise.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 3:54:23 PM

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Its the only way you can get thru any thread here that upsets your ignorance.
Hide from those who do, can and have called you out on your bullshit.
You might think you have the right answers. Your hide list says otherwise.

I wish I could hide every bloody gun-thread.

Couldn't there be a separate forum entitled 'Gun Politics' - or even, ideally, a separate website? But what am I talking about - there are no doubt half a zillion websites devoted to discussing guns. (Though I would hazard a guess that they're not sites that are based this side of the pond.)

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 4:46:53 PM

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Its the only way you can get thru any thread here that upsets your ignorance.
Hide from those who do, can and have called you out on your bullshit.
You might think you have the right answers. Your hide list says otherwise.

I wish I could hide every bloody gun-thread.

Couldn't there be a separate forum entitled 'Gun Politics' - or even, ideally, a separate website? But what am I talking about - there are no doubt half a zillion websites devoted to discussing guns. (Though I would hazard a guess that they're not sites that are based this side of the pond.)

You could just stay out of them, that is what I do with threads that bore me, or that I don't care about.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 5:50:31 PM

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You could just stay out of them, that is what I do with threads that bore me, or that I don't care about.

I don't mind them for a few pages, I suppose. I like to hear what's happening out in the colonies occasionally.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 5:55:50 PM

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You could just stay out of them, that is what I do with threads that bore me, or that I don't care about.

I don't mind them for a few pages, I suppose. I like to hear what's happening out in the colonies occasionally.

Not going to bite.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 6:07:11 PM

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Not going to bite.

No need for you to. No doubt JLF1961 will be back ASAP, to give me about three pages worth of bites.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 7:03:06 PM

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Not going to bite.

No need for you to. No doubt JLF1961 will be back ASAP, to give me about three pages worth of bites.

Presumably not in a sexytime way?

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 7:54:57 PM

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he was my first unpleasant experience here when I re-joined. I was genuinely trying to understand a position/point he was making so I could engage in the conversation, and his response to was to be pompous and play nettlesome word games instead. ive not had an ounce of respect for him since and his recent posts and conversations have only served to affirm that.

That's one way to sell it to yourself, I suppose.

It's true I have little tolerance for bullshit.

Even winged bullshit.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 10:47:29 PM

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No, we want to keep private ownership of guns because of the simple fact that 200+ years ago we learned a lesson about a tyrannical government and what it will do to basic human rights.

The government is already tyrannical .....

If, as you claim, your government is "already tyrannical", then it automatically follows that your 2nd Amendment rights have not succeeded in preventing, or protecting citizens from, a tyrannical government.

As there doesn't appear to be any prospect of the "already tyrannical" US Govt succumbing to a popular revolt by armed citizens on the horizon, then it would appear that your 2nd Amendment rights inasmuch as they were there to prevent tyranny, or provide a means enabling citizens to remove a tyrannical government, have turned out to be a complete dud.

Should the US simply do away with the Bill of Rights because the government continues to encroach on the rights outlined in it? Does that make the Bill of Rights any less important? At least US citizens have recourse, much unlike other countries.

Perhaps The People are waiting for a "point of no return" before starting a second civil war. I'd like to think the catalyst would be something noble but in reality I think it will be incredibly trivial.

It is both simplistic and incorrect to assert that the point I made - that the 2nd Amendment failed to prevent, or enable citizens to overthrow a Govt that is "already tyrannical" - implies the abolition of the Bill of Rights. It does no such thing.

The only thing abolished by my point is the fallacy, repeatedly advanced by the pro-gun lobby, that the 2nd Amendment offers an effective and successful means of preventing and/or overthrowing a tyrannical Govt. That argument is shown to be a complete dud, a total fallacy (some might add much like the 2nd Amendment itself).

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/26/2015 11:22:52 PM

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Well Em, I hope we can agree to disagree. The idea of a society filled with peopple with gun scares y'all and I guess I can understand that due to your conditioning - to submit to authority. A good bunch of us don't.

The bottom line here is that foreigners do not understand that we got alot of people here need killing. Males who beat their olady until they get their head blown off on a fishing trip with their brother in law, and that is just a missing person. Not even half of the murders in this country are solved.

I really do not understand why people in other countries are so concerned with USians giving up their guns. They think we gonna shoot them or something ? I won't shoot you unless you try to take my shit. And among my shit is a gun or two, or... ... If you do not try to take my shit, hurt me or my family and chosen family, I will not shoot you unless you ask me to. (like if you have cancer or some shit, and then we gotta go out in the woods)

If you want to take my guns, may a rabid pit bull maul, kill and eat one of your family members right in front of your eyes so you can see all the gory details. And you know what ? It will be you anti gunners who have made it possible and more probable. Not us pro gunners. YOU, and if YOU have any guns, after taking ours, with my last dying gasp I will lower you into the boiling bacon grease at one inch per minute, to give you the full effect.

About a hundred million or so stand with me, and you hoplophobes ain't taking shit. COME AND GET IT. You don't like guns, don't get guns. Now come to get mine and do it without guns. Y'know how it takes money to make money ? Well it takes guns to take guns.

You get the fucking logic here ? It is a one way thing. Once the guns are gone, unless you got a lathe, and a chemical plant, they can take whatever the fuck they want from you. And now statists want to ask me who "they" are ?

They are the people with the guns.

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/27/2015 3:35:24 PM

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I really do not understand why people in other countries are so concerned with USians giving up their guns. They think we gonna shoot them or something ?

Not us. Each other.

Astonishing as it may seem, I really don't like to hear stories about Americans getting shot so often.

Americans are people too. ;-)

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RE: The Best Historic Argument in Keeping Guns. - 10/27/2015 4:22:12 PM

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Americans are people too. ;-)

We're not just any people, we're lovmuffin......er I mean gunlovin rednecks

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