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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
ETA: if you need to be in constant preparedness.... that's what people call paranoia.
Paranoia: Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself .

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
But owning a hand gun is damed near impossible, and self defence, a basic right that even animals have, is not, according to other Englishmen on here, recognized. Bit no there is no real restrictions there. Would you like some oacean front property in Arizona that I can get for you cheap.

It's no more 'near impossible' for a normal person than it is in the US.
As for self defense - see my response to muffin.
And which animals do you know of that are able to get hold of a hand gun let alone use one?

I'd like that ocean-front property

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
But owning a hand gun is damed near impossible, and self defence, a basic right that even animals have, is not, according to other Englishmen on here, recognized. Bit no there is no real restrictions there. Would you like some oacean front property in Arizona that I can get for you cheap.

It's no more 'near impossible' for a normal person than it is in the US.
As for self defense - see my response to muffin.
And which animals do you know of that are able to get hold of a hand gun let alone use one?

I'd like that ocean-front property

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
On good, another poster gone off his meds, and a British one at that. What you posted about life and paranoia in this country is so highly exaggerated it doesn't even come close to the truth. We're talking about the America here on earth. We don't want you fucking gun laws so stir that up in your tea and drink it.

Oh goody!!
I'll go sit on my lawn without fear of being shot.
Or maybe I'll go into town and browse the malls and grab a coffee - without passing armed guards or fear of being shot.

I like my freedom!

And I will do the same I love my freedom too

I don't see that a constant fear of being attacked and wanting/needing a gun for protection is actually much of a freedom.
Like a recently released prisoner having to constantly look over your shoulder and wonder if the next person is going to go nuts and start shooting people.

That's no freedom at all. That's being a prisoner to a gun-crazed society.

I think you have some kind of gun derangement syndrome. Once again, we're talking about the USA here on earth. Bamas situation is unique to where he lives. I Don't have any constant fear despite your stupid prisoner analogy. Using the term "gun-crazed society" just shows how truly ignorant you are about life and culture here. Your ranting is stupid and exaggerated farther out into the galaxy than Pluto. Get back on your meds.

I don't have constant fear, just constant preparedness. And you are correct, only a small portion of Americans live in a neighborhood that went bad after they moved into it. And mine is geting better. Why, because some people did not think like FD and Joe, they didn't tuck their tails and run, they stuck it out. There were pockets of civilization in the midst of the jungle. Finnaly the cops have started pressing the issue. Last summer one of the houses where the owner always renred to gangbanger wata-bes was bought by a woman who is very carefull about who she lets in there. 5 years ago I owned an island. Now I form the boarder.

I know exactly what you meant and I don't think you live in paranoia and fear nor did I mean to imply it. It was where FD's exaggerated ramblings are coming from.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
ETA: if you need to be in constant preparedness.... that's what people call paranoia.
Paranoia: Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself .

your definition doesn't fit the circumstances.

I don't call someone hiking through the desert, carrying water, "paranoid", I call them prepared.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
But owning a hand gun is damed near impossible, and self defence, a basic right that even animals have, is not, according to other Englishmen on here, recognized. Bit no there is no real restrictions there. Would you like some oacean front property in Arizona that I can get for you cheap.

It's no more 'near impossible' for a normal person than it is in the US.
As for self defense - see my response to muffin.
And which animals do you know of that are able to get hold of a hand gun let alone use one?

I'd like that ocean-front property

Did I say with guns, my Rott can rip a person to shreads almost as fast as they can be shot to death.
Here, a dog gets one free bite, and if self defense is estabilshed they are ok.
As for knives, if you are right why did knife muerders in DC skyrocket in DC when they banned handguns? Gun merders went down minutely but knife murders incearsed enough to DOUBLE their murder rate.
You say some one can get a gun there as easy as here. Either they can't, or every word you has said about our easy access is a lie.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
ETA: if you need to be in constant preparedness.... that's what people call paranoia.
Paranoia: Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself .

your definition doesn't fit the circumstances.

I don't call someone hiking through the desert, carrying water, "paranoid", I call them prepared.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
But owning a hand gun is damed near impossible, and self defence, a basic right that even animals have, is not, according to other Englishmen on here, recognized. Bit no there is no real restrictions there. Would you like some oacean front property in Arizona that I can get for you cheap.

It's no more 'near impossible' for a normal person than it is in the US.
As for self defense - see my response to muffin.
And which animals do you know of that are able to get hold of a hand gun let alone use one?

I'd like that ocean-front property

Did I say with guns, my Rott can rip a person to shreads almost as fast as they can be shot to death.
Here, a dog gets one free bite, and if self defense is estabilshed they are ok.
As for knives, if you are right why did knife muerders in DC skyrocket in DC when they banned handguns? Gun merders went down minutely but knife murders incearsed enough to DOUBLE their murder rate.
You say some one can get a gun there as easy as here. Either they can't, or every word you has said about our easy access is a lie.

Over here, if a dog bites someone, it is destroyed as a dangerous dog.
No quibbles, no arguments.......... put down by order of the courts.
And that also applies to people owning dogs for self-protection too.
Animals don't get a freebie 'self defense' hit/bite first unless it's a police dog on duty.

DC knife murders went up to double because you have a shitload of misfits that couldn't get hold of more guns.

If I was so inclined (and I'm not), I only need to apply for a gun permit, wait for the obligatory 2 weeks while they scrutinize my history and criminal record, pay the license fee and go buy a gun.
Yes.... it is that simple here.
But.... you have to declare why you need it, to what use it is being put, and where it and its ammo is being kept.
AND, the license is for just that one gun - not an armoury of weapons.
If I legitimately owned a legally licensed gun, it is not allowed to be transported or carried in a public place unless it is separated from its ammo and locked in a steel cabinet.

This is essential difference between buying/owning a gun here and in the US.


Buying one on the black market isn't so easy here because there just aren't that many guns here to get one 'under the radar'.
It's not impossible of course, just not so easy as it is in the US.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
ETA: if you need to be in constant preparedness.... that's what people call paranoia.
Paranoia: Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself .

your definition doesn't fit the circumstances.

I don't call someone hiking through the desert, carrying water, "paranoid", I call them prepared.

Different ball of wax because you know you are likely to die through lack of water in a desert.
But pulling a 5,000 gallon tank of water "just in case my flask/bottle runs out" is paranoia.
Going for a dip in a lake and taking full scuba gear, a knife and spear gun "just in case you meet a shark" is paranoia.

If you think you need a gun for self-defense, unless you are in a war zone, is paranoia.
Only in the US would you be thinking this way - the rest of the civilized world doesn't need a gun.

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Yeah FD. You're right. These people who were shot on Saturday would have been paranoid for carrying a gun. Give me a break OK? People who will do harm don't give fuck number 1 about any law.

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Perhaps you have forgotten that I lived in NC and FL for the best part of 9 months (not as a tourist either).

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Perhaps you have forgotten that I lived in NC and FL for the best part of 9 months (not as a tourist either).
I saw it. I saw it in other 'wonderful' Americans and their attitude.

And I don't need meds - I don't have a paranoia and fear to take meds for

And your Jeff Cooper quote is crap.
People create the gun problem - not just criminals.
How many 'non-criminals' have caused a gun death in the US??
More than you care to want to know. Try looking it up sometime.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Does that include handguns?

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And you just confirmed that, unlike civilized countries you don't recogniz sef defence.

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BTW I dpn't care how you do it there.

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So if you still have misfits you will syill have muders, particularly if the victims arn't allowed to defend themselves. But thats right, you don't believe in selfe defence for anyone but yourself.

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Yeah FD. You're right. These people who were shot on Saturday would have been paranoid for carrying a gun. Give me a break OK? People who will do harm don't give fuck number 1 about any law.

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Yeah FD. You're right. These people who were shot on Saturday would have been paranoid for carrying a gun. Give me a break OK? People who will do harm don't give fuck number 1 about any law.

Yep you are dead right there.
No argument from me on that one.

But explain why the US has shitloads more gun deaths than anywhere else in the civilized world??

More misfits?? Possibly.
The underlying fact is that the US, with by far the biggest gun ownership per capita, also happens to have by far the biggest number of gun deaths per capita than anywhere in the civilized world.

If, as many pro-gun people claim, that guns stop gun deaths, why is the US figure by far the worst??
If what is claimed is true, your figures should be exemplary; but they aren't.
It is quite the contrary - which disproves the claims.

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1) 9 months here in the US and you didn't get shot ?? I'm so glad you're alive.

2) Being prepared has nothing to do with the definition of paranoia as you stated in your made up definition posting to Bama.

3) My signature line is not full of crap, you are. It simply means that taking criminals off the street does a lot more good than taking guns from peacable citizens.

4) How many non-criminals have caused a gun death in the US you ask ? The ones where it was ruled as a justifiable homicide.

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More misfits, that is the problem.
Taking one fact does not prove your point.
As I pointed out, and you agreed to, banning guns in DC not only didn't help the citizens because the misfits caused the crime rate to double, including murders by using other weapons. Get rid of the misfits, (as you call them) and you get rid of the problem. Get rid of the guns, and you just allows the miscreants (as I call them) and the gun problem will go away.

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Only specific guns, only for a special reason, never for self defence, self defence is only allowed if the victim uses a means that will get them injured.

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You have gotten so "civilized" that you think the life of a criminal is as important and the life of anyone else. Watch "Watership Down" and think about how you live in the warren. You would have fit right in with the city council of "High Noon".

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Does that include handguns?

Yes. But only certain ones - not every handgun on the market.