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Hillwilliam -> Why are we behind the curve? (10/15/2015 2:50:19 PM)
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/republican-environmentalists-there-are-some-and-134912452.html "Conservatives" in the US are the only ones who are on their knees and sucking the cock of big oil.

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/15/2015 2:54:08 PM)
ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam https://www.yahoo.com/politics/republican-environmentalists-there-are-some-and-134912452.html "Conservatives" in the US are the only ones who are on their knees and sucking the cock of big oil. For the kind of money involved would you become a cocksucker of big oil? There is a certain cachet that attaches to being a "rich cocksucker"

cloudboy -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/15/2015 3:49:39 PM)
He who pays the piper calls the tune.

ifmaz -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/15/2015 7:43:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy He who lays the pipe calls the tune. Fixed that for you, given the context.

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/15/2015 7:47:49 PM)
ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy He who lays the pipe calls the tune. Fixed that for you, given the context. Actually it is plumbers who lay pipe...drillers call it "pushing pipe"[;)]

bounty44 -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/16/2015 4:41:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam "Conservatives" in the US are the only ones who are on their knees and sucking the cock of big oil. absurdly partisan and untrue things don't help the conversation...so for a little balance and truth... Big Oil Democrats Obama biggest recipient of BP cash Strange bedfellows: Big Oil and Democrats while im here, caring about the earth is not exclusive to liberals, or even democrats: The Conservative as Environmentalist Conservative Environmentalism \| The Right Way To Be Green The Conservative Environmentalist in the meantime, I trust you are not using any "big oil" products to heat your home or operate your vehicle? or if you are, you are not so enjoying the relatively inexpensive costs that you are donating your extra dollars to charity?

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/16/2015 8:22:21 AM)
in the meantime, I trust you are not using any "big oil" products to heat your home or operate your vehicle? There are some who use biodiesel made from wvo. There are others who use solar electricity. Some use both? I would have thought you would have known that comrad. or if you are, you are not so enjoying the relatively inexpensive costs that you are donating your extra dollars to charity? Charity begins at home. When I have saved up enough I give it to the ladies at the butt hut who cater to my eccentricities.[;)]

mnottertail -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/16/2015 9:58:50 AM)
(Archived document, may contain errors) Thats from the conservative link, very truthful in this case.

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/16/2015 11:59:28 AM)
ORIGINAL: mnottertail (Archived document, may contain errors) Thats from the conservative link, very truthful in this case. You have to admire the hutzpa of someone who starts a conversation with..."I hope you do not mind me lying to you while I explain my position.[8\|]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/16/2015 4:56:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam "Conservatives" in the US are the only ones who are on their knees and sucking the cock of big oil. absurdly partisan and untrue things don't help the conversation...so for a little balance and truth... Big Oil Democrats Obama biggest recipient of BP cash Strange bedfellows: Big Oil and Democrats while im here, caring about the earth is not exclusive to liberals, or even democrats: The Conservative as Environmentalist Conservative Environmentalism \| The Right Way To Be Green The Conservative Environmentalist in the meantime, I trust you are not using any "big oil" products to heat your home or operate your vehicle? or if you are, you are not so enjoying the relatively inexpensive costs that you are donating your extra dollars to charity? I think I already stated my stance in the thread concerning "Global warming doesn't matter". Here it is. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4842881/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4842881 The only thing you said there was "I'm not a geology expert" No shit Sherlock.[8\|] Our politicians of both parties need to stop sucking big oil's cock and start leading the way to alt energy or in a couple of generations, Chinese will be a required language study in elementary school. Did you bother to read that topic without thinking about how it relates to the pablum that FOX feeds you?

MrRodgers -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/17/2015 7:49:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy He who pays the piper calls the tune. Oh no boys, you have it wrong. The SCOTUS told us that big money, corp. money doesn't influence policy. Of course, what we see just reinforces the plutocracy. You see Aristotle's democracy thought men would be virtuous while Madisonian democracy did too but still rested power in the wealthy land owners to keep the low-lifes from enjoying a little too much democracy. They were both wrong about the powerful men but at least Aristotle thought there would be surpluses and they would be invested in society at the fringe. Boy was he wrong. Of course Aristotle would also be telling us and probably correctly, that we are soon in for a big downfall.

Kirata -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/19/2015 7:31:56 AM)
In other news, the long-held belief that saturated fats were a risk to human health, backed by an overwhelming consensus of scientists, has been shown to be mortally wrong... It took a global epidemic of diabetes and heart disease to get the message across... Decades-long a poorly funded minority of experts insisted that the nutritional science behind the lipid hypothesis had been weak and even faulty, and should never be made into dietary guidelines. But these skeptics were defunded, ridiculed and silenced... Unfortunately millions of people would die prematurely because of the guidelines... Now we're ridiculing the skeptics again. But hey, they're deniers! There's a consensus! Yeah, smart move. Source K.

mnottertail -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/19/2015 11:49:12 AM)
that article is a little yellow journalism. We have known for a long time that certain saturated fats, in smaller amounts say--- 3%-10% of total calories are good for you. there are certain of those acids, the odd chains that are better and some that are not so good, but nobody is going to be picking them out for a while. So Fats in order of use and so on are: Mono Poly Saturated Trans Trans fats (partially hydrogenated, and burnt up old grease) are pretty deadly for fats. So, just remember the alphabet and choose the one lowest on the alphabet between the kinds. And dont sweat the hamburger and the steaks time to time. Oh, yeah, and I have never left butter. So, I am getting my sats

PeonForHer -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/19/2015 2:20:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam https://www.yahoo.com/politics/republican-environmentalists-there-are-some-and-134912452.html "Conservatives" in the US are the only ones who are on their knees and sucking the cock of big oil. It is true that the USA's right wing is uniquely cretinous about AGW, HW. Amongst all the right wing groupings in all of the first world, it's only the USA's Republican AGW-deniers who carry on being smugly confident that it's all 'made up science' - without, apparently, the slightest appreciation of what a bunch of meatheads they look like to the rest of the first world's right wingers - never mind the rest of the world's politicians across the right wing/left wing spectrum.

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/19/2015 4:04:01 PM)
Now we're ridiculing the skeptics again. But hey, they're deniers! There's a consensus! Yeah, smart move. There is a consensus on gravity should we pass on that?

dcnovice -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/19/2015 4:20:59 PM)
quote: that article is a little yellow journalism Clicking through to the actual Washington Post story, I found it was far more nuanced.

Kirata -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/19/2015 6:51:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: that article is a little yellow journalism Clicking through to the actual Washington Post story, I found it was far more nuanced. Yeah, it's a bit overdone to be sure. But I think that the point it makes is worth not over-looking. This business of ridiculing skeptics is profoundly anti-scientific. It's the job of science to be skeptical, and in the case of anthropogenic CO2-induced global warming there's good reason to be. The predictions of our climate alarmists have failed repeatedly and spectacularly. When a theory's predictions fail, it's wrong -- at the very least in part, perhaps in many parts -- and when skepticism is ridiculed, I'll continue to think that it's wise to be skeptical. K.

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/20/2015 7:18:15 AM)
ORIGINAL: Kirata This business of ridiculing skeptics is profoundly anti-scientific. False premise since not all skeptics are informed skeptics. It's the job of science to be skeptical, Half truth, since science has more than one job. and in the case of anthropogenic CO2-induced global warming there's good reason to be. The predictions of our climate alarmists have failed repeatedly and spectacularly. When a theory's predictions fail, it's wrong Whole lie, based on false premis and half truth.[8\|] -- at the very least in part, perhaps in many parts -- and when skepticism is ridiculed, I'll continue to think that it's wise to be skeptical. Comercial self interest disguised as skepticism is still comercial self interest.

joether -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/20/2015 7:58:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx [quote}ORIGINAL: Kirata This business of ridiculing skeptics is profoundly anti-scientific. False premise since not all skeptics are informed skeptics. Your getting 'Skeptics' and 'Deniers' mixed up. A Skeptic is one that had the advance knowledge and college degrees to fully understand the material currently being discussed in a scientific discussion. As it concerns the Theory of Climate Change, they agree with the scientific community that Climate Change as defined is taking place. That mankind is the cause of it. They are discussing what to do about it. There is not politics in their skeptical viewpoints. A Denier is one that has little to no scientific background or knowledge to handle the simply stuff (i.e. what is a mole in Chemistry). They are easy confused on what scientists are talking about. They use material that has already been previously debunked as factual information. They understand words but not the in-depth knowledge those words convey in scientific discussions. Deniers are often very political and believe everyone else is as well. All the conservatives on this board are deniers. Some will give you a 'run for your money'; but in the end, are deniers.

thompsonx -> RE: Why are we behind the curve? (10/20/2015 8:15:09 AM)
ORIGINAL: joether Your getting 'Skeptics' and 'Deniers' mixed up. And somehow you think I care about your pedantic definitions[8\|] A Skeptic is one that had the advance knowledge and college degrees to fully understand the material currently being discussed in a scientific discussion. Which university did socrates attend?

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