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Hi Lucy
I had already looked the bill up. Myself i see nothing wrong with it as all collecting of personal information has to be approved by a judge. To me it is a prudent bill and i will guess it is supported by the majority . But of course i respect anyone's right to an opinion. I can see where this bill could be abused and it is up to Canadians to be sure this does not happen.
Butch
what I read said that a warrant was only needed if it clearly violated the Charter of Rights/laws.. How exactly would this Bill have stopped any of the previous attacks? its pretty hard to stop lone wolf attacks cuz they are lone wolves and many have never committed a crime before..
How well does holding abusers feet to the fire work in the US? not well at all, from what we have seen.. the NSA & other letter agencies are still doing the same old illegal shite.. Americans are powerless to stop it, most are actually pretty apathetic, which is why your govt (& big corporations) walk all over y'all..
As far as the majority supporting this Bill.. no, not really.. there were many protests over it, some MPs left their party over it, the UN has spoken against it, etc etc.. Imo, this Bill rammed down Canadians throats was a major reason why Harper got majorly trounced in this election.. If the majority supported this Bill then Harper should have been re-elected as PM, instead its a Liberal majority govt and now its the Conservative party is in the crapper.. so much for the majority supporting it, huh? I did find some info on campaign promises, the Libs said they would make amendments to the Bill, the NDP said they would get rid of it.. I expect there will be legal challenges to it in the future as well..
"four former prime ministers of Canada, several former Supreme Court justices, as well as former members of the Security Intelligence Review Committee, and two former privacy commissioners, along with 60 of this country's top business leaders, the Canadian Bar Association and many other groups have all spoken out strongly against the bill.
In a nutshell, what they have had to say about it is this: it's reckless, dangerous, lacking in civilian oversight and an attack on our constitutional rights. And if it becomes law, it will "change our business climate for the worse," msy allow censorship to become commonplace," and create a secret police in Canada who will have the power to falsely "attribute disreputable content to law abiding citizens."
They also point to the fact that experts acknowledge that the sweeping powers that will be provided to our police and security agencies will do nothing to keep us any safer from terrorism, but rather be "counter-productive in that it could easily get in the way of effective policing, intelligence-gathering and prosecutorial activity." Even traditionally conservative organizations such as the National Firearm Association and Free Dominion are raising their voices against the bill. In a letter to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, they warned that "Bill C-51 creates a domestic spy agency designed to target all Canadians.""
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/corey-levine/senators-bill-c-51-anti-terror_b_7521846.html
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It is just a wish of mine and since Lucy said he has things to "clean up", I hope this Bill is one of them.. yeah, yeah, I know.. if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.. 
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