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Lucylastic -> oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/21/2015 7:07:01 PM)
Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson said Wednesday he would use the U.S. Department of Education to police speech on college campuses. During an interview, Glenn Beck asked Carson if he would shut down the Education Department as president. "I actually have something I would use the Department of Education to do," Carson responded. "It would be to monitor our institutions of higher education for extreme political bias and deny federal funding if it exists." Carson discussed this same idea with a Las Vegas radio host in June. Although he did not explain details, the host, Heidi Harris, said she "loves that idea." During a town hall meeting in Des Moines, Iowa, last month, a student asked President Barack Obama last month what he thought of Carson's plan to monitor for political bias on campuses. Obama responded, "I have no idea what that means, and I suspect he doesn't either." The Carson campaign did not respond to The Huffington Post's request for a comment on the subject. It's interesting to hear Carson, a retired neurosurgeon, suggest the federal government should monitor what sort of political views are shared on campuses, considering how many times he has railed against "political correctness" that censors Americans' viewpoints. For example, Carson compared the U.S. to Nazi Germany last March, before saying, "I know you're not supposed to say 'Nazi Germany,' but I don't care about political correctness. You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe." But Carson's plan, to deny all federal funding for political bias on campus, would be pretty intimidating. Nearly all colleges and universities rely on federal dollars through student loans and Pell Grants for students to attend their institutions. Many wealthy universities, like Harvard, Yale and Carson's former employer Johns Hopkins, rely heavily on federal research grants. HERE ARE SOME OTHER TIMES CARSON COMPLAINED ABOUT "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS": In 2012, Carson said: "[People] need to rise up, they need to say to political correctness: 'Take a hike. This is who we are, this is what we believe in, these are principles that allowed us to become the pinnacle nation in the world in record time and we’re not about to throw them out of the window for the sake of political correctness.'" That same year, he also said: "You know, there is no society that can long survive without values and principles. And if we get so caught up in political correctness that nothing is right and nothing is wrong, then we go the same route as ancient Rome. They did exactly the same thing. And they forgot who they were. They stood for nothing and they fell for everything and they went right down the tubes." In 2013, Carson said: "That's one of the major components. But the other thing we have to realize is we’re being crucified by political correctness -- because you're not supposed to say anything to that young woman who's having a baby out of wedlock, because 'that lifestyle is equivalent to any other lifestyle.'" At last year's Conservative Political Action Conference, Carson declared: "It's time for people to stand up and proclaim for what they believe and stop being bullied." He added that people with common sense "have been beaten into submission" by the "PC police." In August 2014, Carson again refused to apologize for comparing the U.S. to Nazi Germany, saying the "PC police" want to "stifle people's conversation." In February, Carson said on "The O’Reilly Factor": "We need to be in a place where people feel free to express themselves and not to be intimidated by political correctness. It’s destroying our nation, and there is a reason that our founders, one of the very first amendment, freedom of speech, freedom of expression." At September's Values Voter Summit, Carson said: "Political correctness is ruining our country and we need to stand up for what we actually believe." While campaigning on a college campus in Michigan later that month, Carson said: "Political correctness is imposed by the secular progressives and those who wish to fundamentally change our society. Therefore, they make things off limits to talk about, but you know what? I’m going to talk about it anyway." This month, Carson said: "We shouldn't give away our values for the sake of political correctness."

MrRodgers -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/21/2015 8:44:20 PM)
Only on the right of today do we see such obvious, outlandish, outspoken and unapologetic hypocrisy. He rails on about PC yet would himself, use the DEA to quash speech he [the govt.] doesn't like on campus. What politically moronic times we live in today. My only hope and mostly for the young, is that all this ridiculousness doesn't take hold even as the slow steps toward outright fascism. It is his kind of speech and the espousing of the 'values' of using govt. to regulate it, is what's...ruining this country.

subrob1967 -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/21/2015 8:54:31 PM)
FR I don't blame him with the progressive agenda destroying the country's education system. Frankly, political correctness, and progressive education goals both need a swift kick in the teeth.

Lucylastic -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/21/2015 9:44:19 PM)
Not surpring rob, at all.

MrRodgers -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 1:10:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 FR I don't blame him with the progressive agenda destroying the country's education system. Frankly, political correctness, and progressive education goals both need a swift kick in the teeth. Well Ben aside for a second, our educational system was imported from Prussia circa 1830 by Horace Mann. Some say for better or worse because while Mann noted himself, visited Prussia and researched its education methodology. He was infatuated with the emperor’s method of eliminating free thought from his subjects and designed an education system for Massachusetts directly based on these concepts. The movement then quickly spread nationally. Horace Mann said, “The State is the father of children.” Do you want your children growing up in total submission to the State ? Mann thought "education prevents both the revenge and the madness. (poor against the rich) On the other hand, a fellow feeling for one’s class or caste is the common instinct of hearts not wholly sunk in selfish regards for person, or for family. The spread of education, by enlarging the cultivated class or caste, will open a wider area over which the social feelings will expand.” Some felt correctly though that Mann felt and asked..."how are mortals to discover truth? I answer, that to seek for it in the right spirit is the only guaranty of a successful search. And the most important elements in this spirit are, a supreme love of truth and the power of impartial thought. To be capable of impartiality of thought opens all the avenues to truth." HERE Good read

Kirata -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 2:47:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic "I actually have something I would use the Department of Education to do," Carson responded. "It would be to monitor our institutions of higher education for extreme political bias and deny federal funding if it exists." I hate to appear to be defending Carson, because I don't agree with many of his views, and I'm not sure how I feel about this one either. But I do think he has, as the very least, pointed to a genuine problem. As a case in point, on September 14, 2015, the Wesleyan Argus printed an editorial about BlackLivesMatter... This is not questioning their claims of racism among the police, or in society itself. Rather, is the movement itself actually achieving anything positive? Does it have the potential for positive change? There is evidence to support both views.... ~Source The author pointed out BlackLivesMatter protesters chanting "Pigs In A Blanket, Fry ‘Em Like Bacon" as one example of the sources of his doubts. On October 18, 2015, the Wesleyan Student Assembly responded to the editorial by passing a resolution to punish the Argus for straying off the reservation... The resolution comes in the wake of a controversial Opinion piece published in The Argus in early September... The resolution suggests reducing The Argus’s annual budget by 57 percent, from $30,000 to $13,000, for the 2016-2017 academic year... President Michael Roth expressed hesitation about reducing The Argus’s funding immediately following the campus controversy. ~Source Better to wait rather than give the impression that there's a freedom of speech issue? In many cases, universities have refused to allow this kind of thing. In others, attorneys had to get involved. And some have tried to finesse the issue by setting up "Free Speech Zones". Really? Has it come to that? Whether or not the involvement of the DOE is warranted is a question I've never thought about, and for which I haven't a ready answer. But to the question of whether or not Carson has put his finger on a problem, yeah there's a problem. How big a problem? How widespread? I don't know. But I'd prefer less of it to more, and the sooner the better. K.

Greta75 -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 3:23:08 AM)
I don't exactly understand how will he make the judgement that it is too much political bias. Such subjective things are difficult to penalise. But rather than political bias. I would prefer the regulation to make sure, both sides have their equal influences ya know, like more like monitoring that all kinds of views should be heard equally.

bounty44 -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 4:25:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Only on the right of today do we see such obvious, outlandish, outspoken and unapologetic hypocrisy. He rails on about PC yet would himself, use the DEA to quash speech he [the govt.] doesn't like on campus. What politically moronic times we live in today. My only hope and mostly for the young, is that all this ridiculousness doesn't take hold even as the slow steps toward outright fascism. It is his kind of speech and the espousing of the 'values' of using govt. to regulate it, is what's...ruining this country. funny you use the word fascism; you think students on college campuses are free? that colleges are the marketplace of ideas they are supposed to be? have you been on a college campus recently? read the news about what goes on there? read the multiple threads here concerning it? I have used this phrase before, institutions of higher education have become liberal bastions that are openly hostile to people, positions and views from the right. he's not talking about "quashing" speech he doesn't like, or "regulating it," he's referencing its unjust effect on others and advocating a solution for those people. this already occurs to the point of students constitutional rights being violated with impunity. im not saying I agree with ben carson, but the federal government has gotten itself involved in campus life when it comes to so many things, one wonders why the up in arms response to his suggestion. I suspect the arrangement he is thinking of is very much in keeping with the one presently in place for women and title ix---except for the major turf war between the feminazi's and the men's athletic programs that have found themselves eliminated, no one is raising a fuss about the power of federal government monies being used to assure equity there.

Musicmystery -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 5:21:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 FR I don't blame him with the progressive agenda destroying the country's education system. Frankly, political correctness, and progressive education goals both need a swift kick in the teeth. You're out of touch. It's the conservative no child left behind common core agenda that has turned teaching students into creating ignorant robots.

Musicmystery -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 5:51:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Only on the right of today do we see such obvious, outlandish, outspoken and unapologetic hypocrisy. He rails on about PC yet would himself, use the DEA to quash speech he [the govt.] doesn't like on campus. What politically moronic times we live in today. My only hope and mostly for the young, is that all this ridiculousness doesn't take hold even as the slow steps toward outright fascism. It is his kind of speech and the espousing of the 'values' of using govt. to regulate it, is what's...ruining this country. you think students on college campuses are free? that colleges are the marketplace of ideas they are supposed to be? have you been on a college campus recently? read the news about what goes on there? read the multiple threads here concerning it? I don't know whether he has, but I'm on a college campus 4 times a week, and you're full of shit, as usual, simply making up stuff based on your own biases, partisan beliefs, and simple blind idiocy. College students, first, primarily imprison themselves -- they have been brought up through the schools as common core robots, and now that they're finally invited to think, they don't want to--it's a risk. They want to be told the right answer, and they're pissed people aren't telling them. That colleges are liberal bastions is also bullshit--people primarily teach their subject areas, without room for partisan policy. There are many conservatives teaching as well, and to the extent that someone takes a position that hits the news, you're conveniently ignoring the times those are conservatives. Are there more liberal professors? Probably. Are they there to promote their liberal agenda? As a group, absolutely not. And if you think the threads here are an indication of factual reality, then your grip on reality is more tenuous than I already thought.

joether -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 9:47:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 I don't blame him with the progressive agenda destroying the country's education system. Frankly, political correctness, and progressive education goals both need a swift kick in the teeth. This would be the same progressive outlook that took this nation from an industrial power at the end of WW2 and turned it into a gigantic economic powerhouse of today. How many countries would have gone bankrupt after acquiring $8 trillion dollars (or the equivalent) in debt? Start naming the nations.... Progressive education has led to quite a large number of advances for the nation and its people. Lets take that 'progressive idea' of the Internet. I guess the Internet is nothing useful or good for the nation, because it was created due to progressive education, right? I could go on and on, listing things created and discovered that came about because scientists were not held back on account of religious/conservative stupidity. Frankly this nation should have invested in Stem Cell Research when it came up rather than ban it. Other nations pushed forward and made advances. Advances this nation should have produced. We had the funding, the technology, the scientists, and ability to learn. BUT.....kept from it because of conservative morons (like you) whom were afraid of what a Stem Cell could and couldn't do. Most conservatives believe stem cells could be used to clone human beings. Anyone that has studied biology can state how dumb of an idea that was at the time (most did). Political correctiveness is not a mechanism used only by liberals. Conservatives use it all the time. Never watched any of the firearm debates on these threads? When BamaD states "Guns dont kill people, people kill people"? Or "If I left a gun on a table all by itself, it can not kill someone". Political correctiveness can be used to silence an opposing view. When political correctiveness is used correctly, its to correct bad viewpoints that are often immature, unthoughtful, or inconsiderate. In our society we have another way of stating someone is being politically correct in the correct manner: their professional!

joether -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 10:00:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 I don't exactly understand how will he make the judgement that it is too much political bias. Such subjective things are difficult to penalise. But rather than political bias. I would prefer the regulation to make sure, both sides have their equal influences ya know, like more like monitoring that all kinds of views should be heard equally. If you can control how people learn, you control how they think. These are tools used by tyrannical governments to do evil things upon their people. Check out North Korea if you need a modern day example of this concept. Conservatives hate people whom can think for themselves. To be a good conservative, is to be an obedient conservative. One whom does as their told and trusts the conservative ideology to always do good things. Weight information carefully and with critical thought/skills. In fact, good government in a Democratic Republic like the United States, depends on this ability. Why do you think I'm so hated by the conservatives on this board? They hate those that show their conditioned behaviors as being full of shit all the time. Their 'one sentence of text' that shows they lack the ability to consider matters any deeper than just mere surface thoughts. Do you know why business men in the South sent their boys up to liberal institutions for the past hundred years? To think freely and deeply. Because when you can out think your opponent, you'll win. In business, if you can deliver a better product and/or service then the competition; you get the profit instead of them. An it paid off for them apparently. Its amusing when conservatives bash 'liberal educations'; they are simply stating they do not know what they are talking about. Since a 'liberal education' is about free thought, NOT, political thought. Granted as one becomes more free of thought, they do understand the 'enslaving' forces that exist in the world on a number of topics and levels within each topic.

subrob1967 -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 10:51:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 FR I don't blame him with the progressive agenda destroying the country's education system. Frankly, political correctness, and progressive education goals both need a swift kick in the teeth. You're out of touch. It's the conservative no child left behind common core agenda that has turned teaching students into creating ignorant robots. Bullshit. Stop trying to blow smoke up my ass

Kirata -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 11:14:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Political correctiveness... Political correctiveness... political correctiveness... I'm probably going to be sorry I asked, but what the fuck is "political correctiveness"? K.

mnottertail -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 11:33:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 FR I don't blame him with the progressive agenda destroying the country's education system. Frankly, political correctness, and progressive education goals both need a swift kick in the teeth. You're out of touch. It's the conservative no child left behind common core agenda that has turned teaching students into creating ignorant robots. Bullshit. Stop trying to blow smoke up my ass Yeah, but rather than worry about smoke up your ass, you have this blown headpipe, because you actually didn't read the article, you saw progressive and thought...............oh, gee, politics!!!!! But the paper talks about pedagogical style (Haughty dry textbook lectures, think Houseman in Paper Chase) and progressive style (learn by doing and experiencing). Stuff a cork in your ass, get to the doctor about the headpipe. You are one of those children left behind.

ReMakeYou -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 11:55:54 AM)
As easy as it is to get fed up with campus political correctness, the vast majority of it is stuff that students demand from the school as opposed to the administrators forcing it on the students. We really don't want to see the results of defunding public education. But if this far right wet dream came true, I wonder how they'd react when the culture change continued unabated.

mnottertail -> RE: oh Ben Ben Ben. (10/22/2015 12:09:53 PM)
they would still be as stupid as they are today. they would defund something else. they would blame it on everyone but them. nothing would change in their world.

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