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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/29/2015 6:55:38 AM   
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I read enough to know that all the frustrations I have are shared by almost every dominant woman on here. The "are dommes poor" thread has so many things in it that I've said word for word that it scares me a little and makes me wonder if it's really worth all the hassles of looking for a sub.

Today was yet another 'first meeting' that didn't happen, no show, no call, with a local sub who wrote me an actual letter, seemed intelligent, had a sense of humor, didn't hop into his laundry list of kinks and had actual non-kink interests. We emailed back and forth for the last couple/few weeks about all kinds of things - house renovations, pet fostering, etc. His last email response on Thursday was him saying he would bring the beer my partner likes when he came over. Low pressure, relaxed, friendly, and .... nothing since. Profile is still up, so that's something, I suppose.

This is following a string of them - I started to worry that maybe we are a jinx - one told me his grandmother had died so he was out of range to text, (turns out he was texting a findomme the whole time) etc, the next got stomach flu the morning he was supposed to drive over then had some strange depression and still wants to come play 'when he gets his head right' (had great references, but still) and then the one after that had his truck blow a bearing halfway here (and then his codependent anger issues surfaced during the week following so that went south fast.)

I am at the point now where I'm asking subs who write anything less than a stellar mail to send a donation to my favorite pet rescue before I invest a lot of time talking to them, but that scares almost everyone, even if they are somewhat serious. I've tried talking online to find compatibility. I've tried scheduling a quick first meeting so they don't feel I'm dragging it out. I've tried telling them to come do something useful and show their benefit. I've tried discussing the ways I feel I can improve their life. I have tried discussing long-term interaction, I've tried 'just come play.' I've tried friendly, I've tried cold and cruel and demanding, I've tried casual and detached, I've tried warm and playful. I've tried being understanding, firm, 'you're out!' and just telling them to go away when they chicken out.

We started into all this over 6 years ago, and have only had one person show up off the web. The local munch has earned a reputation for being really cliquish, and we haven't found much luck there either so we only go when we have someone to hang out with.

What do you do that works to get a sub to show up when they say they will? What do you do to sort out the time wasters quickly? I'm about burnt out here.


You have got to be fucking kidding me, right? I'm a heterosexual Dom, I'm not remotely your target group and even I can tell you what you're doing wrong.

A) Your profile portrays you as a whiner who can't cope with disappointment. You're claiming to be dominant then throwing a fucking tantrum in your profile? What's wrong with this picture?

B) You're restricting yourself to bisexual (or bicurious) subs who're into loony sex-magick and are prepared to accept being your footstool with nothing beyond a bit of sexual gratification for them (maybe). There's no potential relationship on offer because you're already committed.

C) "Living for" the SCA tells me you're not really comfortable with reality and feeds my perception of you as somewhat loony.

I can't speak for male sub demographics, but I've gotta figure you're really cutting your odds right down. Given the sheer numerical imbalance between femdommes and male subs, you have to be royally fucking up to get such a poor strike rate.

I suspect what happens is when subs actually start expending effort to meet you, they start to realise how little is on offer. And anyone with a decent level of self-respect is going to be cultivating multiple opportunities at the same time. Sounds like those opportunities end up looking like a better deal. Men would apparently rather pay a FinDomme for a guaranteed outcome than invest in hours of housework for you with the prospect of very little return.

Honestly, you just look like another woman who decided that playing Domme was a great way to get stuff for free. I don't really get the male sub mindset, but I do think someone would need a serious lack of self-respect to follow up on what you want. And the fact that they flake after weeks of discussions tells me that all you're apparently good for is getting them off while they fantasise during your chats but that the cold, hard reality you offer just isn't very attractive.


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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/29/2015 7:08:22 AM   
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Oh, almost forgot. Whining about your failures (yes, if subs don't show, this is YOUR failure) in your journal makes you seem far less attractive.

You're supposed to be a commanding, desirable dominant who's in demand - except how the hell can you be desirable if subs keep flaking on you?

Your complaints make you seem undesirable and lacking emotional control.

This shit ain't rocket science - if you're genuinely dominant, that is.

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/29/2015 9:22:50 AM   
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There was one part of the aforementioned profile-picking that made me wince slightly.

"Living for" the SCA does not make you out of touch with reality or loopy. It is perfectly possible for one to maintain the realistic or fictional standards and codes of another past or made-up culture without being completely out of touch (or even out of touch at all) with the modern world. Does that mean that all of the individuals of Nova Roma are batshit too, for wanting to adhere to the codes and religious values of the Ancient Roman republic? No. It is perfectly possible to do that and to remain a logical and productive member of society as well.

Does your assumption also extend to historical re-enactors and live-action role-players, out of curiousity?

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/29/2015 6:36:42 PM   
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just a note from one that does show up I once corresponded with one for some time and agreed to drive 3 hours to where she was going to be. it was agreed beforehand that there would be no other interaction after the meet and greet.
in another case I chatted with another and meet at a local mcdonalds where she was eating anyway just to say hi and get to know each other.
so yes there are those like me that will show up and many that are going to flake.
don't waste more time than the email on anyone let them meet you or not as they will
you have to shovel a ton of coal to find the diamond in the rough
when you find it it will be more than worth it

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/30/2015 1:29:56 PM   
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SCA is loony? I suppose the Ren Fair which has run here for 20 years, attracting millions of visitors is loony also?
Lets not forget about Civil War re-enactors. Alas, loony also.

In other words, he's the arbiter of everyone here, and if all our interests aren't approved, then we're loony.

I knew I shouldn't have taken him off hide. Now to rectify that error.

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/30/2015 1:39:27 PM   
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SCA is loony? I suppose the Ren Fair which has run here for 20 years, attracting millions of visitors is loony also?
Lets not forget about Civil War re-enactors. Alas, loony also.

In other words, he's the arbiter of everyone here, and if all our interests aren't approved, then we're loony.

I knew I shouldn't have taken him off hide. Now to rectify that error.



Did I miss something?

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/30/2015 9:04:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spellslave

There was one part of the aforementioned profile-picking that made me wince slightly.

"Living for" the SCA does not make you out of touch with reality or loopy.
I've spent more time than I ever wanted to amongst the various flavours of nutbag which inhabit the SCA. It has an astonishingly high density of wiccans - and other pagans - and various types of people convinced they possess special powers. Loopy doesn't even begin to describe it.

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Does your assumption also extend to historical re-enactors and live-action role-players, out of curiousity?
No, those people are mostly just nerds.

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/31/2015 2:37:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: spellslave

There was one part of the aforementioned profile-picking that made me wince slightly.

"Living for" the SCA does not make you out of touch with reality or loopy.
I've spent more time than I ever wanted to amongst the various flavours of nutbag which inhabit the SCA. It has an astonishingly high density of wiccans - and other pagans - and various types of people convinced they possess special powers. Loopy doesn't even begin to describe it.

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Does your assumption also extend to historical re-enactors and live-action role-players, out of curiousity?
No, those people are mostly just nerds.


I've encountered individuals from both branches of Wicca, and various pagans. Not sure what sort of individuals you've encountered, but the ones that I've met have all been rational, level-headed and if there was any loopiness in them, they kept it under wraps and private.

Nerds? No. Let them self-identify that way if they like but outright going forward to label someone based on your own perspective of their hobby is a touch rude. (I personally prefer 'geek').

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 10/31/2015 5:43:18 AM   
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I've encountered individuals from both branches of Wicca, and various pagans. Not sure what sort of individuals you've encountered, but the ones that I've met have all been rational, level-headed
There's nothing rational or level-headed about Goddess-worship and a belief in witches, demons and other nonsense.

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Nerds? No. Let them self-identify that way if they like but outright going forward to label someone based on your own perspective of their hobby is a touch rude. (I personally prefer 'geek').
Do you live in the real world? Everyone slaps labels on everyone else. It's because categorisation is a life skill. And regardless of how these people might see themselves, you can be sure that more socially nominal people perceive them as nerds.




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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 11/5/2015 10:07:44 AM   
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I have three cats and am loon-patient zero actually. The word can be used/infliction in a good fond context, harsh context, or someone where in-between. Most people do not live in the real world they lack the capacity to choose to do so.

As for the investment of time only to find it wasted >99% of the time is not a good, nor fair a thing.

LadyConstanze not all people can attend events due to many factors I will not ramble on about such as their partner would be most displeased, or perhaps they have an illness (this is the only acceptable reason to me - I myself are stricken with lurgy). Coffee and cake shops are also fine as you said – options – when they start to rebuff all options then they should be avoided no matter how convincing or implausible their reasons.

Sometimes people perceive me as blunt (and more than many mailers) but before I chose to invest any of my time if what there profile makes me think them suspect, not in a position to talk, no picture attached mailed text - no talky. The odd genuine person will suffer.

Although personally at a club, or munch, I do not believe potential customers should be forming a queue. Far as I can see, in my lands where the haggis roams free, people joining any of these sites (>40% of profiles) should expect to pay for it. What that has to do with bdsm or the world of kink escapes me and reflects poorly on the lifestyle. And i still beleive you lot should have your own section

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 11/5/2015 10:22:36 PM   
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I am a new online slave. and my Mistress had locked me in chastity, in which I removed without permission. and now she wants to punish me but she doesn't know any punishment to fit the crime. can anyone give any suggestions on a proper punishment for my disobedience

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 11/5/2015 11:02:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angeldmort

I'm not a findomme - it scares me to hear everyone else saying the same things I've said - it means there's almost no hope.

It's not a lack of people writing. It's a problem of people who have written, been found worth a reply, spent hours writing back and forth, spent hours in yahoo chat discussing what they want and what they have to give, deciding they want what I have to offer enough to give what I require in return, setting a date and a place, making a commitment to meet and then without any word changing their mind. I don't get investing all that time only to cop out. I don't get spending all that time talking to someone and learning about them and then suddenly deciding they aren't worth a little honesty. And I SURE as hell can't understand bitching about how they haven't had a special someone or had play time in X long only to chicken out when it's within reach! The one was only coming out for a meeting to see if he was a good playmate, getting all the stuff he listed out wanting.





I am of the opinion that nothing really counts until you meet face to face, so it's a waste of time to to spend hours chatting online. I think the best approach is to be selective and quickly schedule short, cut to the chase meetings with those who interest you.

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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 11/5/2015 11:56:08 PM   
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I am a new online slave. and my Mistress had locked me in chastity, in which I removed without permission. and now she wants to punish me but she doesn't know any punishment to fit the crime. can anyone give any suggestions on a proper punishment for my disobedience

As the saying goes, if your Dominant doesn't know how to deal with your transgression, you're probably already being punished enough by having an incompetent Dominant.

If you want to play at chastity, it's no skin off of my nose, but if you can't keep your hands off of your junk, I'd just find a grown up who could.

Edited - My bad. I didn't answer the original.

OP, I'm a big fan of if what you're doing works, don't fix what isn't broke, and if what you're doing doesn't work, it's time to change your methods.

I had a look at your location when I was originally going to answer this thread, and yeah, your kink community in that area isn't exactly on my top ten list of places I'd like to participate. (What can I tell you? I do read some of the stuff that crosses my screen over on the black and white site. Some of it's just smh kind of stupid.) However, it might be the better option because you're wasting a bunch of your time and these folks don't seem to be paying off. How much time have you invested now?

I'm a big proponent of the theory of go where you are going to have fun, anyway. The munches in your area may not be ideal but you're still going to dinner with your husband. Considering that he's your primary partner, if the other guy doesn't show, you're still spending quality time with your mate. There's got to be something fun you want to do in that town.

Bouncing off of ideas that others have had on the thread. As much as I hate to say it, try the couple's profile thing. For a very short time, I set this one to a couple's profile years ago and I loathed it but your situation might warrant it. If you're searching as a couple, be a couple.

The comments about newbies getting cold feet. They do. I don't care. I'm not here to coddle anyone to coax them into a cup of coffee or grabbing a drink at the bar. If a person can't meet in public, they can't meet with me. I can guarantee you that somebody else will.



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RE: Seeking advice on the No-Show problem - 11/6/2015 12:38:20 AM   
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I am a new online slave. and my Mistress had locked me in chastity, in which I removed without permission. and now she wants to punish me but she doesn't know any punishment to fit the crime. can anyone give any suggestions on a proper punishment for my disobedience


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