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HAK1M -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/6/2015 8:24:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko


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ORIGINAL: HAK1M

....and moved to the US at the age of 48!!!!...God only knows why.




Wait! I know this one! Because....I'm special?





Are you his special woman? I hear he does not believe in " special woman" nor does he believe in love.




Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/6/2015 10:04:17 PM)

You sound like a Nigerian trying to convince everyone he's not a Nigerian.




PeonForHer -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/7/2015 1:49:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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But no, feminism is about addressing the historical inequality in the treatment of men vs women. That's certainly a fact.
No. That is what is known as a lie. A bald-faced lie.


Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course. God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.




Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/7/2015 4:25:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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But no, feminism is about addressing the historical inequality in the treatment of men vs women. That's certainly a fact.
No. That is what is known as a lie. A bald-faced lie.


Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course. God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.
Taught? Don't flatter yourself. The indoctrination of students and testing the regurgitation of dogma is not teaching, it's brainwashing. You're not a teacher, you're a propagandist.

Your inability to think critically about the nonsense you're stuffing into impressionable young minds is an indictment of both your intellect and your ethics. The fact that such unadulterated twaddle is freely promulgated by left-wing academics is yet more evidence of the dumbing down of universities and the promotion of narrative and left-wing dogma over science, evidence and reason.

Pathetic.






HAK1M -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/7/2015 4:25:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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But no, feminism is about addressing the historical inequality in the treatment of men vs women. That's certainly a fact.
No. That is what is known as a lie. A bald-faced lie.


Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates.. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course..God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.

Noes..... you just proved him right man... you just mentioned it. You mean if students don't answer that question same as there were taught , they - not only -won't pass, also fiminists make sure that student goes not near any core of influence in this society . Because he is a threat to them, and they don't like that. Not one bit. It is called  keep a tight lid on the story, which means a total media blackout. Unfortunately the "idiot" awareness. is the one being on the right side here, however he is right about what he says not what he does. Meanwhile crazy is one of those excellent student who swallowed the poison and graduated . I'm not implying that crazy is not speaking in good faith from his part , but that's the point. Crazy and myriads of students graduating from educational institutions that are simply conducted by fiminists.
Fiminism would not survive as the ugly establishment it is. So coating and making it look pleasant to the eye was the foremost element to its survival and subsequently success.
Fiminism has nothing to do with women rights , and fiminists don't give a rats ass where women would die with their mouths open. after they have done using them they recruited new ones and so forth.
As for awareness, he him self is a fiminist, except he is aware of the tasks assigned to him. You can call him an " honest fiminist".




PeonForHer -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/7/2015 8:07:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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But no, feminism is about addressing the historical inequality in the treatment of men vs women. That's certainly a fact.
No. That is what is known as a lie. A bald-faced lie.


Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course. God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.
Taught? Don't flatter yourself. The indoctrination of students and testing the regurgitation of dogma is not teaching, it's brainwashing. You're not a teacher, you're a propagandist.

Your inability to think critically about the nonsense you're stuffing into impressionable young minds is an indictment of both your intellect and your ethics. The fact that such unadulterated twaddle is freely promulgated by left-wing academics is yet more evidence of the dumbing down of universities and the promotion of narrative and left-wing dogma over science, evidence and reason.

Pathetic.






Just breathtaking. [:D]

This is about the basic nuts and bolts of the subject of political science. To teach them what you (and apparently HAK1M) would have me teach them would be like going into a biology class and teaching the students that elephants are a species of insect and that anyone who says otherwise is filling them with hogwash for nefarious ends. Gawd, Awareness, you're not firing on all cylinders with this one.




PeonForHer -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/7/2015 8:08:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HAK1M

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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But no, feminism is about addressing the historical inequality in the treatment of men vs women. That's certainly a fact.
No. That is what is known as a lie. A bald-faced lie.


Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates.. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course..God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.

Noes..... you just proved him right man... you just mentioned it. You mean if students don't answer that question same as there were taught , they - not only -won't pass, also fiminists make sure that student goes not near any core of influence in this society . Because he is a threat to them, and they don't like that. Not one bit. It is called  keep a tight lid on the story, which means a total media blackout. Unfortunately the "idiot" awareness. is the one being on the right side here, however he is right about what he says not what he does. Meanwhile crazy is one of those excellent student who swallowed the poison and graduated . I'm not implying that crazy is not speaking in good faith from his part , but that's the point. Crazy and myriads of students graduating from educational institutions that are simply conducted by fiminists.
Fiminism would not survive as the ugly establishment it is. So coating and making it look pleasant to the eye was the foremost element to its survival and subsequently success.
Fiminism has nothing to do with women rights , and fiminists don't give a rats ass where women would die with their mouths open. after they have done using them they recruited new ones and so forth.
As for awareness, he him self is a fiminist, except he is aware of the tasks assigned to him. You can call him an " honest fiminist".


Thank you for contributing to this discussion, HAK1M.




HAK1M -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/7/2015 8:58:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: HAK1M

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Awareness
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But no, feminism is about addressing the historical inequality in the treatment of men vs women. That's certainly a fact.
No. That is what is known as a lie. A bald-faced lie.


Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates.. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course..God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.

Noes..... you just proved him right man... you just mentioned it. You mean if students don't answer that question same as there were taught , they - not only -won't pass, also fiminists make sure that student goes not near any core of influence in this society . Because he is a threat to them, and they don't like that. Not one bit. It is called  keep a tight lid on the story, which means a total media blackout. Unfortunately the "idiot" awareness. is the one being on the right side here, however he is right about what he says not what he does. Meanwhile crazy is one of those excellent student who swallowed the poison and graduated . I'm not implying that crazy is not speaking in good faith from his part , but that's the point. Crazy and myriads of students graduating from educational institutions that are simply conducted by fiminists.
Fiminism would not survive as the ugly establishment it is. So coating and making it look pleasant to the eye was the foremost element to its survival and subsequently success.
Fiminism has nothing to do with women rights , and fiminists don't give a rats ass where women would die with their mouths open. after they have done using them they recruited new ones and so forth.
As for awareness, he him self is a fiminist, except he is aware of the tasks assigned to him. You can call him an " honest fiminist".


Thank you for contributing to this discussion, HAK1M.

Hey listen, it is my pleasure to contribute to this discussion. I know you don't agree with him and that's not an issue at all. I don't like his guts, he is an abrasive arrogant but there's some truth in what 'he is saying' that my ethics wont allow me to deny. But what I don't understand about this man is that he says one thing and does the oposite.
I am not much of a philosopher , but I like to think once in a while . And you probably agree with me that you don't need to know too much about something to know if was wrong or right. If you look closer at the feminism you will notice right away that it is a focused plan like any other gouvernemental project. And the signature of male is allover it. women can think, even in complated ways but they can't focus. thats not how females brains work. at least it is not the way females use their brains. Focused thinking is exclusive to males. You may not believe me if I tell you one of the main reasons why fiminism was established, IS TO REDUCE POPULATION IN THE WORLD. and you may connect the dots.




Lucylastic -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 12:42:01 AM)

pure entitlement bullshit....
love it..




Kaliko -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 4:08:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Crazy is correct in that, Awareness, and you are wrong. I should know, because I've taught the subject to postgraduates. If the students don't get that right, they simply don't pass that element of their course. God sake, man: You make a lot of good points when you write - but I'd strongly suggest you don't try to over-extend yourself. It ruins the impact of everything else you've said. If you're using a lot of MRA lit to support your view, I'd suggest you stop. They're just not respected, and for good reason.



It's funny. I had what I would guess is a similar reaction to your post, Peon, that I imagine you are having to Awareness' posts: What you said doesn't really mean anything to the argument. I thought to myself that the fact that you've taught the subject doesn't mean that the perspective you've taught it in is the only one to be had or, indeed, that it is the correct one. Especially at a post-grad level, I would like to think that there is more room for your students to come to their own conclusions; that if a student could (or chose to) make a case, that a grade wouldn't rely on their interpretation of the content matching yours but rather, their interpretation of the content being fully founded. I'm in a post-grad program and I have openly and rigorously defended a position opposite of that being taught, with no harm to my grade. (The opposite, actually.) And I'm sure I don't need to tell you that there are many instructors - even full academic programs (think, nutrition) - that are simply, outright, appallingly wrong.

What you've taught and the expectations you or the academic institution have of your students may very well be correct. But they may very well not be. Having not taken your class, and knowing pretty much nothing about feminism (I admit it), I couldn't say. But it does strike me that if you were trying to sway me, let's say, to see feminism a certain way, the fact that you teach it wouldn't really mean anything to me. You can certainly still be wrong. And I would hope this desire to come to conclusions on our own instead of taking at face value what we're expected to believe is true of many thinking adults.

I have half thought to ask you if you would recommend something for me to read that you would consider to be a good case for feminism. I've done a little bit of research in the past, because to be honest, I never really gave it much thought until becoming closer to Awareness and about a year or so ago I did take it upon myself to see what all the debate was about. My own research led me to believe that I find more truth in his perspective than I do in others'. (But not 100%.) But I have to admit to being curious what you would recommend (versus reading something based on a random recommendation from the internet). I would be interested to see what my own conclusion would be. However, I'm also aware that my perspective is already skewed in a certain direction and I doubt I could be genuinely objective. Which, I guess, is my point. There is no way that you and Awareness will ever agree. But personally, I doubt that necessarily means either of you are right or wrong - it just means you're viewing the same subject from different perspectives and it's a daunting thing to shake somebody up enough to shift their perspective - something I doubt could be achieved on a message board, by either of you.






Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 4:53:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Just breathtaking. [:D]

This is about the basic nuts and bolts of the subject of political science. To teach them what you (and apparently HAK1M) would have me teach them would be like going into a biology class and teaching the students that elephants are a species of insect and that anyone who says otherwise is filling them with hogwash for nefarious ends. Gawd, Awareness, you're not firing on all cylinders with this one.
That's a misnomer. There's no 'science' here. No evidence base, no hypothesis subsequently confirmed with experiment, just pure ideology.

What's ironic is that your viewpoint is so unabashedly primitive. It should be screamingly obvious that feminism is simply a political tool for the further acquisition of power by a group of privileged predominantly white bourgeois. That you actually seem to take its dogma at face value suggests a completely non-critical and non-skeptical approach to the subject.

Politics is essentially the movement of power in social groups. The presentation of a supposedly ethically based case for a particular political ideology is called "winning the moral war". (The presentation of your cause as just and right.)

The claims of feminism do not stack up under examination. It is not a rigorously constructed ideology and its adherents do everything they can to promote the narrative over evidence. Feelings over science. Dogmatic, unthinking nonsense over a reason-based approach to social contracts.

What is ironic is that there IS a bunch of interesting things occurring in our societies which do provide fertile ground for examination. The rise of political correctness leading to a new orthodoxy of thought. The emergence of the Twitter-based outrage and victim culture as a new political force in a world dominated by corporate corruption. The hacker-based civil disobedience and the emergence of new powers as the security landscape turns into a battleground.

All of these things are interesting and relevant. What you're teaching is a bunch of outdated left-wing dogma which lost credibility decades ago. And, most of all, you're teaching regurgitation of an orthodoxy instead of teaching them to think.




PeonForHer -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 5:03:49 AM)

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It's funny. I had what I would guess is a similar reaction to your post, Peon, that I imagine you are having to Awareness' posts: What you said doesn't really mean anything to the argument. I thought to myself that the fact that you've taught the subject doesn't mean that the perspective you've taught it in is the only one to be had or, indeed, that it is the correct one.


In political science you have to steer an often tricky course when you arrive at your definitions. You do need definitions, though - just as you would in any other subject - otherwise you don't have a subject at all. In defining an ideology/outlook/view (pick your term) like 'feminism' (or 'conservatism', 'socialism', 'liberalism', etc, etc, etc) you need to avoid certain prevalent and fundamental mistakes.

One mistake is assuming that you can safely say that an outlook is what self-avowed followers of that outlook say it is. But this is obviously fraught because, amongst other things, people are wont to be selfish and aggrandising. Thus rich and powerful conservatives, socialists and liberals will say that the society that just so happens to have made them rich and powerful is the best and/or only possible society. Self-declared feminists *have* done that and will probably continue to do it. They're humans and humans tend to be selfish and aggrandising.

A second mistake is the one of the propaganda of villification. The enemy of a movement decides that *it* is going to define it in the way it wants. Lots of 'tricks' are involved. One trick is of course to lie about an outlook. Another is more insidious: you just find the nastiest-looking example of a movement and claim that this example is true of the entire movement. So, say, a woman who fights for equality and liberty for women finds that she's lumped in with, say, Marxist feminists or even someone, like Andrea Dworkin, who's attracted a name for herself (somewhat unfairly, IMO) as an out and out man-hater. The result is that this 'moderate feminist' shudders and says, 'Oh no, I'm not a feminist'. Score one for the divide-and-rule tactics of feminism's enemies - of which there've been huge numbers, and many, furious ones, since feminism got going.

In political science you have to sift through all this and arrive at definitions that are commonly accepted. Not accepted by everyone and certainly not accepted by just a few people - just commonly accepted. if you google 'Definition of feminism' - you'll see the word 'equality' over and over again. Thus the first definition I found was 'noun: feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes'. Most of the activists who've called themselves feminists; most of the theorists; most of the advocates - they've accepted this definition.

It's not as simple as that, obviously. You can pull this definition around, find holes in it all over the place, question it in all ways (and I think you *should* do that, because that's how a science or any kind of study evolves) but you still need that 'something' - that basic, commonly accepted, definition - to start with, otherwise, as I've said, you have nothing to study at all.




PeonForHer -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 5:10:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Just breathtaking. [:D]

This is about the basic nuts and bolts of the subject of political science. To teach them what you (and apparently HAK1M) would have me teach them would be like going into a biology class and teaching the students that elephants are a species of insect and that anyone who says otherwise is filling them with hogwash for nefarious ends. Gawd, Awareness, you're not firing on all cylinders with this one.
That's a misnomer. There's no 'science' here. No evidence base, no hypothesis subsequently confirmed with experiment, just pure ideology.

What's ironic is that your viewpoint is so unabashedly primitive. It should be screamingly obvious that feminism is simply a political tool for the further acquisition of power by a group of privileged predominantly white bourgeois. That you actually seem to take its dogma at face value suggests a completely non-critical and non-skeptical approach to the subject.

Politics is essentially the movement of power in social groups. The presentation of a supposedly ethically based case for a particular political ideology is called "winning the moral war". (The presentation of your cause as just and right.)

The claims of feminism do not stack up under examination. It is not a rigorously constructed ideology and its adherents do everything they can to promote the narrative over evidence. Feelings over science. Dogmatic, unthinking nonsense over a reason-based approach to social contracts.

What is ironic is that there IS a bunch of interesting things occurring in our societies which do provide fertile ground for examination. The rise of political correctness leading to a new orthodoxy of thought. The emergence of the Twitter-based outrage and victim culture as a new political force in a world dominated by corporate corruption. The hacker-based civil disobedience and the emergence of new powers as the security landscape turns into a battleground.

All of these things are interesting and relevant. What you're teaching is a bunch of outdated left-wing dogma which lost credibility decades ago. And, most of all, you're teaching regurgitation of an orthodoxy instead of teaching them to think.


I'm sorry, Awareness - but that betrays too crude, simple and uninformed a view of political science for me to want to argue with it. You need to grapple with the basics in order to move forward. I'm surprised and a bit disappointed, to be honest. In lots of areas you've clearly done your research - but plainly not in this one.




Awareness -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 5:12:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
I'm sorry, Awareness - but that betrays too crude, simple and uninformed a view of political science for me to want to argue with it. You need to grapple with the basics in order to move forward. I'm surprised and a bit disappointed, to be honest. In lots of areas you've clearly done your research - but plainly not in this one.
Oh, I don't think so. *chortles*




Kaliko -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 5:59:36 AM)

Mmm, I suppose I could see that in certain cases. For (a somewhat unrelated) example, many years ago I took a course about the search for life in the universe. I suppose it wouldn't have been appreciated had I argued about whether there was other life in the universe to begin with. That wasn't the point of the course. There still seems something closed-minded about saying "This is what feminism is" when there is clearly so much debate about it, but perhaps it's a moot point for your purposes. Also, I don't know that I'm comfortable with thinking that just because a group isn't respected, that their points aren't valid. You had mentioned the MRA (admittedly, I know less about them than I do about feminism) but regardless of the group, whether they are respected or not doesn't make them wrong or right.

If I used the defiition of feminism in your post, I might just change it slightly: The advocacy of women's rights, claimed to be on the ground of equality of the sexes. Maybe there's a better word than "claimed," as that sounds accusatory, I think - like we're already skeptical going in. But it provides something concrete for study, while it also leaves the door open for some different interpretations.

Interestingly (to me, anyway), I might be a little overly-into this because my own course of study has a lot to do with how things are presented, almost always with a slant or motive, and tactics used to steer public opinion. I probably think too much about it.





Greta75 -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 6:21:38 AM)

Haha, now that we heard Ishtar wonderful love story, I would like to know Kaliko, how does a man like Awareness propose marriage to you? Or did you propose to him in the name of equality? :)




kdsub -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 8:40:04 AM)

What is it about humans that they must always quantify..classify... explain... and pigeonhole human emotion... that by its very nature is different in every living creature and beyond general classification. Don't you get tired of others speaking with such pompous authority saying you are this or that when they can't even explain their own emotions...

Mumbo jumbo that does more harm than good in my opinion... It would be best to forget all the classification crap and just address actions on an individual basis.

Butch





zombiegurlsos -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 10:50:30 AM)


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Some folks here for some weird raisons


remind everyone why your here it would seem your profile didn't mention that....




Greta75 -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 4:57:42 PM)

Kdsub, are you responding to me being curious about how Awareness proposed?





DesFIP -> RE: People Are Entitled? (11/8/2015 7:58:44 PM)

I want to know what's so weird about raisins?




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