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Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 8:41:36 AM   
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The funniest thing I've heard/seen all week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATqcoGOsxE

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 9:17:47 AM   
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This reminds me so much of this message board:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATqcoGOsxE
I can see why...so reminiscent of the twisted words put forth

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 9:44:22 AM   
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PROOF: NBC DEBATE MODERATOR JOHN HARWOOD LIED ABOUT RUBIO’S TAX PLAN

by JOHN NOLTE
28 Oct 2015
5,879
A document has been unearthed proving John Harwood, the left-wing moderator of Wednesday night’s CNBC debate, lied when he attacked Senator Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79%
over his tax plan — and that document is Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago.

Here’s the false gotcha Harwood launched at Rubio:

The Tax Foundation, which was alluded to earlier, scored your tax plan and concluded that you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top one-percent as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you’re a champion of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, don’t you have that backward?

Rubio immediately hit Harwood back: “No, you wrote a story on it, you had to go back and correct it.”

Harwood laughed and lied again, “No, I didn’t.”

Except Harwood did. Here’s Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago:
John Harwood ✔@JohnJHarwood
CORRECTING earlier tweet: Tax Foundation says Rubio benefits lowest 10% proportionally more (55.9) than top 1% (27.9%). Avg for all: 17.8%.
7:08 AM - 14 Oct 2015
935 935 Retweets 596 596 favorites

Harwood also lied about The Tax Foundation findings. According to their study, under Rubio’s plan, the bottom ten percent do twice as well as the top ten percent.

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 9:53:58 AM   
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what the fuck does rubio have to do with a topic on bernie.

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 9:56:30 AM   
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The funniest thing I've heard/seen all week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATqcoGOsxE

Loved it, and we can see that its OBVIOUSLY a disconnect.
Im looking forward to tonites show ..

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 9:57:20 AM   
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Well Lucy, if you're gonna talk about winners, you have to include losers by comparison.

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/30/2015 11:10:27 AM   
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Well Lucy, if you're gonna talk about winners, you have to include losers by comparison.


That's why I included Harwood.

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 6:38:34 AM   
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PROOF: NBC DEBATE MODERATOR JOHN HARWOOD LIED ABOUT RUBIO’S TAX PLAN

by JOHN NOLTE
28 Oct 2015
5,879
A document has been unearthed proving John Harwood, the left-wing moderator of Wednesday night’s CNBC debate, lied when he attacked Senator Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79%
over his tax plan — and that document is Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago.

Here’s the false gotcha Harwood launched at Rubio:

The Tax Foundation, which was alluded to earlier, scored your tax plan and concluded that you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top one-percent as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you’re a champion of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, don’t you have that backward?

Rubio immediately hit Harwood back: “No, you wrote a story on it, you had to go back and correct it.”

Harwood laughed and lied again, “No, I didn’t.”

Except Harwood did. Here’s Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago:
John Harwood ✔@JohnJHarwood
CORRECTING earlier tweet: Tax Foundation says Rubio benefits lowest 10% proportionally more (55.9) than top 1% (27.9%). Avg for all: 17.8%.
7:08 AM - 14 Oct 2015
935 935 Retweets 596 596 favorites

Harwood also lied about The Tax Foundation findings. According to their study, under Rubio’s plan, the bottom ten percent do twice as well as the top ten percent.

I don't know about their entire conversation but here are the numbers and for the poorest, OK, for the rich even better. For the middle class...about 1/2 as much.

HERE


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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 7:40:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

PROOF: NBC DEBATE MODERATOR JOHN HARWOOD LIED ABOUT RUBIO’S TAX PLAN

by JOHN NOLTE
28 Oct 2015
5,879
A document has been unearthed proving John Harwood, the left-wing moderator of Wednesday night’s CNBC debate, lied when he attacked Senator Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79%
over his tax plan — and that document is Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago.

Here’s the false gotcha Harwood launched at Rubio:

The Tax Foundation, which was alluded to earlier, scored your tax plan and concluded that you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top one-percent as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you’re a champion of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, don’t you have that backward?

Rubio immediately hit Harwood back: “No, you wrote a story on it, you had to go back and correct it.”

Harwood laughed and lied again, “No, I didn’t.”

Except Harwood did. Here’s Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago:
John Harwood ✔@JohnJHarwood
CORRECTING earlier tweet: Tax Foundation says Rubio benefits lowest 10% proportionally more (55.9) than top 1% (27.9%). Avg for all: 17.8%.
7:08 AM - 14 Oct 2015
935 935 Retweets 596 596 favorites

Harwood also lied about The Tax Foundation findings. According to their study, under Rubio’s plan, the bottom ten percent do twice as well as the top ten percent.

I don't know about their entire conversation but here are the numbers and for the poorest, OK, for the rich even better. For the middle class...about 1/2 as much.

HERE

The numbers from:

Daily Kos /ˈkoʊs/ is an American political blog that publishes news and opinions from a liberal point of view.[2][3][4][5] It functions as a discussion forum and group blog for a variety of netroots activists whose efforts are primarily directed toward influencing and strengthening the Democratic Party with a particular focus on progressive policies and candidates. Additionally, the site features a participatory political encyclopedia ("DKosopedia"), glossaries, and other content.

A blog named by TIME Magazine as one of the "most over-rated bogs" on the net.

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 8:14:22 AM   
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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/factchecking-the-cnbc-debates/

Rubio claimed CNBC’s John Harwood was wrong that a Tax Foundation analysis of his tax plan found those in the top 1 percent of earners would get nearly twice the gain as those in the middle. Harwood was right, and that’s on a percentage basis.
Rubio’s Tax Plan

Rubio said CNBC’s John Harwood was “wrong” that the Tax Foundation analysis of his tax plan found “you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top 1 percent as to people in the middle of the income scale.” But that is what the Tax Foundation found.
Rubio responded that the largest percentage gains would be for those with the lowest incomes, which is also true, according to the Tax Foundation’s analysis. But that doesn’t make Harwood’s statement wrong.
The Tax Foundation concluded that Rubio’s plan, when scored “dynamically” to account for expected economic growth, would result in an after-tax income increase of nearly 28 percent for those in the top 1 percent, while those in the middle income deciles — 40 percent to 50 percent and 50 percent to 60 percent — would see their after-tax income rise by 15.7 percent and 15.3 percent, respectively. People with incomes in the lowest 10 percent would see the greatest percentage gains, nearly 56 percent.
In other words, the greatest percentage income gains would be realized by those with low or high incomes, with smaller percentage gains for those in the middle.
Here’s how the exchange unfolded:
Harwood: The Tax Foundation, which was alluded to earlier, scored your tax plan and concluded that you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top 1 percent as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you’re the champion of Americans living paycheck-to-paycheck, don’t you have that backward?

Rubio: No, that’s — you’re wrong. In fact, the largest after-tax gains is for the people at the lower end of the tax spectrum under my plan. And there’s a bunch of things my tax plan does to help them. Number one, you have people in this country that …

Harwood: … Senator, the Tax Foundation said after-tax income for the top 1 percent under your plan would go up 27.9 percent. And people in the middle of the income spectrum, about 15 percent.

Rubio: … Yeah, but that — because the math is, if you — 5 percent of a million is a lot more than 5 percent of a thousand. So yeah, someone who makes more money, numerically, it’s gonna be higher. But the greatest gains, percentage-wise, for people, are gonna be at the lower end of our plan, and here’s why: because in addition to a general personal exemption, we are increasing the per-child tax credit for working families.

Rubio’s tax plan, which he coauthored with Sen. Mike Lee, includes a number of dramatic changes to the current tax code, including a reduction in the number of tax brackets to two (15 percent and 35 percent), the elimination of most itemized deductions (excluding charitable and mortgage interest deductions), and a new child tax credit of $2,500.
The Tax Foundation’s analysis of the plan, released in March, concluded it would increase incomes across all income levels. But some would do better than others.
Looking at the plan on a “static basis,” which does not assume that tax cuts in the plan would spur economic growth, the Tax Foundation said the average gain in after-tax income would be 3.9 percent. But the biggest winners — on a percentage basis — would be those at the bottom and top of the income scale. For example, the analysis stated, the gain would be 11.4 percent for the 10 percent to 20 percent decile, 11.5 percent for the highest 1 percent, but only 1.7 percent for the 50-60 percent decile.
Those disparities are not as dramatic when looking at the tax plan on a “dynamic” basis, which assumes the cuts would lead to significant economic growth. But the general pattern holds, with those at the upper and lower incomes faring the best, on a percentage basis.
So Harwood and Rubio were talking past each other a bit. Harwood was pointing out that those at the top income levels were seeing greater benefit — on a percentage basis — than those in the middle income levels. And that’s true. Rubio, meanwhile, insisted that those at the very lowest income levels would see the greatest percentage increase in income. That’s also true. Rubio further confused the issue with his explanation that “5 percent of a million is a lot more than 5 percent of a thousand.” As we noted earlier, it’s not just that those in the top 1 percent of tax filers would be seeing greater dollar savings in Rubio’s plan than those in the middle income brackets, it’s that those at the top would see a greater percentage gain as well.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/10/factchecking-the-cnbc-debates/

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 8:44:36 AM   
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As would those on the bottom...and isn't that the folks that matter to the left?

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 9:24:46 AM   
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As you have decided to ignore the topic for more poor rubio, I only responded to your post with fact checking. with the trustability of "bias" when your own link is highly to the right into insanity land... now you move the damn goalposts again.
Im not playing that game with you, or anyone else..
you want some level of intellectual credibility, use a credible fucking link.


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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 11:27:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

PROOF: NBC DEBATE MODERATOR JOHN HARWOOD LIED ABOUT RUBIO’S TAX PLAN

by JOHN NOLTE
28 Oct 2015
5,879
A document has been unearthed proving John Harwood, the left-wing moderator of Wednesday night’s CNBC debate, lied when he attacked Senator Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)79%
over his tax plan — and that document is Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago.

Here’s the false gotcha Harwood launched at Rubio:

The Tax Foundation, which was alluded to earlier, scored your tax plan and concluded that you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top one-percent as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you’re a champion of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, don’t you have that backward?

Rubio immediately hit Harwood back: “No, you wrote a story on it, you had to go back and correct it.”

Harwood laughed and lied again, “No, I didn’t.”

Except Harwood did. Here’s Harwood’s own tweet from just two weeks ago:
John Harwood ✔@JohnJHarwood
CORRECTING earlier tweet: Tax Foundation says Rubio benefits lowest 10% proportionally more (55.9) than top 1% (27.9%). Avg for all: 17.8%.
7:08 AM - 14 Oct 2015
935 935 Retweets 596 596 favorites

Harwood also lied about The Tax Foundation findings. According to their study, under Rubio’s plan, the bottom ten percent do twice as well as the top ten percent.

I don't know about their entire conversation but here are the numbers and for the poorest, OK, for the rich even better. For the middle class...about 1/2 as much.

HERE

The numbers from:

Daily Kos /ˈkoʊs/ is an American political blog that publishes news and opinions from a liberal point of view.[2][3][4][5] It functions as a discussion forum and group blog for a variety of netroots activists whose efforts are primarily directed toward influencing and strengthening the Democratic Party with a particular focus on progressive policies and candidates. Additionally, the site features a participatory political encyclopedia ("DKosopedia"), glossaries, and other content.

A blog named by TIME Magazine as one of the "most over-rated bogs" on the net.


So let's be clear, the numbers are a lie, or my source is lying ? Seems the numbers are confirmed by other sources as well. Do their numbers lie too ? OR...are they the same numbers and my source in fact...has it correct ?

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 10/31/2015 1:26:46 PM   
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My source was wrong. Since I didn't check more as I usually do, I'm wrong. That's on me.

It still doesn't stop the fact that The Tax Foundation found that Rubies tax plan provides benefits across the board.

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RE: Bernie Sanders Makes Republican Heads Explode - 11/2/2015 11:12:17 AM   
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The fact they opined that does not make the actual argument forwarded a fact or even close to reality. Particularily since their track record since their inception is more dismal than love canal.

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