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RE: Deprogramming from societal expectations - 11/1/2015 11:40:39 PM   
dreamlady


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Verbivore

I mean, there's not many ways to say "stop rushing towards my naughty bits like it's a race" LOL.


Sure there is. Tease & denial, delay your partner's sexual gratification, and you're in the ideal position to implement and enforce this because you're the Dominant.

I was also going to ask you whether you're bisexual, but I can see from your couple's profile that you both are.

Penetrative sex might not be what gets you into an orgasmic headspace. Some women can't come from receiving oral, or from direct clitoral stimulation either.
Some women have multiple sweet spots, others may have just one located in an obscure place on/in their body which has to get stimulated or focused upon. (I have no doubt there are always multiple areas, as yet undiscovered terrain. )

Then, the other consideration might be, if you're intent on reaching orgasm during intercourse, is that the men you've had as sex partners couldn't. . . um, were less than adequate in the bedroom as lovers.

This isn't just with sub men, it's with a lot of men. But Greta's right about the submissive men she's encountered. Ime, there are more submissive men out there than in any other male demographic who don't know how to properly fvck a woman. Or who think they shouldn't have to, that effusive offers of tongue action should be enough <snort>, especially those who have problems getting it up and keeping it up.

There are even male "subs" (and Dommes, as well) who think that ordinary m-f sexual interactions are viewed as submissive acts on the part of a Dominant woman , as if THIS were kinky/taboo off-limits sex to them. Wtf. They can only get turned on by fetishizing and sexually objectifying a Domme. I've had male subs act as if it were a huge sacrifice they had to make to have (non-oral, non-rimming) *conventional* sex with their previous Mistresses, as if this were proof of what they had to endure as a submissive. <guffaw>


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RE: Deprogramming from societal expectations - 11/2/2015 8:41:39 AM   
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I have dated men from all over the spectrum and yes, pretty much all of them were very boring or selfish lovers. Women weren't always better, though the problems there were the "pillow princesses" who were basically the definition of sexually selfish. Sometimes (with the guys) I felt it was kind of intentional, in a "well I'm satisfied with the sex and if you're not then you're just frigid" sort of way, other times they have tried but are battling their own hormones and conditioning. For a long time I thought it would be easier to get my needs met as a dominant and it's turned out to be patently untrue. I'm still battling the same issues that I had with the one Dom I tried dating as well as all the vanilla guys. The current bf isn't a sub (he's more a vanilla bottom, but there's no option for that selection) but I have dated many subby men over the past 6ish years and the same problems crop up 1) sex (including foreplay) lasts a couple hours to begin with, getting shorter and shorter as time goes on, no matter my protests, requests or even demands 2) any touching of me at all leads to the guy getting turned on and wanting sex, so I just stop wanting to be touched 3) communication inside the bedroom fizzles, as I'm very soft spoken and am never heard in the heat of the moment unless I'm basically yelling (and it turns out even the self proclaimed submissive men don't actually like being forcefully told what to do in bed).

I'm sure some people will think I just need to get more dominant and demand what I want/need, but I can promise you I've tried that, with every relationship or sexual partner I've had over the past decade and it's only worked for me once. Despite all the protestations I've heard to the contrary, very few men in this world are really ready and willing to actually listen to what I'm saying and then do the work to make changes in their behaviour. I've tried punishments, rewards, bargaining, compromising, conversation, non-verbal cues, writing letters, pointing out bits of erotica or porn I find enticing, etc. I'm pretty much just at the point where I feel my only option is to simply tie my partner down every time, do whatever I want to them at my own pace and then use them like a sex toy when I'm ready for it. But at least that's not a terrible option

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RE: Deprogramming from societal expectations - 11/5/2015 9:37:37 AM   
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I believe people have the capacity to be themselves.
Can’t be bothered writing along one so - True we are a sum of life and free will (usually been corrupted by many environmental factors and hobgoblins) – how does one unweave all of that malarkey…..
Do people want to be themselves, or have the capacity – I am not so sure.

Stop rushing to my naughty bits less I thrash you with a kettle, pots and pans, and thence the kitchen sink, till you realize the folly of you ways. Or you must turn on my mind, and all of my body, and only then may you explore my naughty bits – might need to draw a map for some. It can be said many ways and no man/woman should be doing that outwith a quickie.
Sex should be a 10. Anything less is nothing.

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RE: Deprogramming from societal expectations - 11/6/2015 3:49:58 PM   
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Sometimes I think that the best way to enjoy this lifestyle is to get up every morning, look in the mirror and say, "Fuck society!"

For that matter, even if your vanilla tastes are beyond the bounds of what society says they are supposed to be, my suggestion is still a handy guideline.

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RE: Deprogramming from societal expectations - 11/6/2015 4:13:55 PM   
TheCabal


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Verbivore

I have dated men from all over the spectrum and yes, pretty much all of them were very boring or selfish lovers. Women weren't always better, though the problems there were the "pillow princesses" who were basically the definition of sexually selfish. Sometimes (with the guys) I felt it was kind of intentional, in a "well I'm satisfied with the sex and if you're not then you're just frigid" sort of way, other times they have tried but are battling their own hormones and conditioning. For a long time I thought it would be easier to get my needs met as a dominant and it's turned out to be patently untrue. I'm still battling the same issues that I had with the one Dom I tried dating as well as all the vanilla guys. The current bf isn't a sub (he's more a vanilla bottom, but there's no option for that selection) but I have dated many subby men over the past 6ish years and the same problems crop up 1) sex (including foreplay) lasts a couple hours to begin with, getting shorter and shorter as time goes on, no matter my protests, requests or even demands 2) any touching of me at all leads to the guy getting turned on and wanting sex, so I just stop wanting to be touched 3) communication inside the bedroom fizzles, as I'm very soft spoken and am never heard in the heat of the moment unless I'm basically yelling (and it turns out even the self proclaimed submissive men don't actually like being forcefully told what to do in bed).

I'm sure some people will think I just need to get more dominant and demand what I want/need, but I can promise you I've tried that, with every relationship or sexual partner I've had over the past decade and it's only worked for me once. Despite all the protestations I've heard to the contrary, very few men in this world are really ready and willing to actually listen to what I'm saying and then do the work to make changes in their behaviour. I've tried punishments, rewards, bargaining, compromising, conversation, non-verbal cues, writing letters, pointing out bits of erotica or porn I find enticing, etc. I'm pretty much just at the point where I feel my only option is to simply tie my partner down every time, do whatever I want to them at my own pace and then use them like a sex toy when I'm ready for it. But at least that's not a terrible option


I'm sort of curious... if you don't mind my asking - I understand in some ways this is more cerebral for you, and in other ways, you're looking for some very specific physical things. But I'm not quite sure how society's rules play into this for you.

If I've read correctly, you're sort of uncomfortable taking the dominant role in bed; but you're uncomfortable with that role because you don't feel it's what society would have you be, rather than who you need to be.

There are quite a few ways to de-couple yourself from society's expectations. The simplest one is to simply decide for yourself not to accept those rules. It does take a LOT of mental work on your own part - 'peer pressure' is always a nasty bitch - but it's probably the best way if you can pull it off.

If you want to go down the rabbit hole though... I lost my former partner to cancer a little over a year ago. She suffered from several medical conditions that made it difficult for her to leave my home.... so, she just didn't. It wasn't something I forced on her, she just didn't want to. Several years of that had her separated from society in some... er... unusual ways.

I can't say I recommend going the route of finding someone who will completely support you and separate you from the vanilla world until you don't feel like you have any outside pressure to conform, but I think that's as close as one can get to completely 'deprogramming from societal expectations.'

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RE: Deprogramming from societal expectations - 11/24/2015 6:44:02 AM   
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Just get a sub put him in chastity and then get a hitachi wand and have amazing orgasms .Done. If he bothers you for sex dump him. Keep doing that forever. :)

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